AG plot to take over Hirshabelle and install parallel state in Jowhar

[sahal80]

Disclaimer isku dir dir maaha waa ku qasbanahay inaan sheego in the context of Hirshabelle



kheyre markii meesha laga saarey waxay banaanka keentay Khilaafkii Abgaal iyo Habargidir waadna aragtay mahad salaad oo waxba kama jiraan ku sheegay warqadii himilo qaran aka shiikh shariif pagekooda ka soo baxdey magaca madasha

waxaa dheer madasha garabka HG oo qoorqoor isticmaalay iyo dhuusamareeb2 si ay pmka u helaan oo farmaajo u balanqaadey markii danbana fahad yaasiin soo dhexgalay oo uu ku yiri warnimayahow maa walaalihiin abgaal u deysaan ayagaan maamulgoboleed madax ka aheen sidiinoo kalee qoorqoor waa ku dhuftey waana ka digay in pm HG la dhaafsiiyo wa ilaa dhuusamareeb3 waxay la safan PL iyo JL!

halkaas markey mareyso waxaa soo dhexgalay Cali Mahdi oo HG cadaawadii hore wali kala dhaxeyso wuxuu ku yiri hassan sheekh iyo shariif "waryaada ma gun baad naga dhigateen HG kala wadato? waa maxay HG pm madasha haku noqoto? "

"waxaas ka baxa nimankaan hawadle ee darisahaan idiin xiga iyo ninkaan waare oo dhuusamareeb kursiga Abgaal ee farmaajo ku darsan rabo ka hor yomid banaadirna ku difaacay u yeerta ayaga wax u ogolaada adinkoo hirshabelle u maraya"

saas ayuu ku dhacay shirkii waare iyo madasha ee guriga cali mahdi lagu qabtey waxayna u soo jeediyeen inay ku sharfeen shirka mudulood ka madaxwaynaha Hirshabelle

aniga kuma dhahaayo abgaal aa pm raba laakin Cali Madi wuxuu diidanyahay qaabka HG loogu qoondeeyay sidii in abgaal awoodba xamar iyo maamulgoboleedyada ku dhex laheen

waxay waare u soo jeediyeen war hada ka hor geedi uu qoono u soo jeediyay si goodax meesha looga saaro oo ah in pmka hawaadle la siiyo ayagana hirshabeele qaataan ujeed kooduna waa jowhar1 iyo jowhar2 inay ku casumaan majeerteen marka xilka farmaajo dhamaado oo jowhar xukuumad looga dhawaaqo parallel to Villa wardhiigley

ma xuma free aad tihiin waa dhulkiinii laakiin pm farmaajo la la tuuraayo nalaguma gaadi karo magaca hirshabelle

[barbarossa]

Maxaa AG (xeer ilaaliyaha guud ee qaranka) maamul goboleedyada afaaraheeda u soo faragalinayaa?

[sahal80]

Maxaa AG (xeer ilaaliyaha guud ee qaranka) maamul goboleedyada afaaraheeda u soo faragalinayaa?

referee ay ka yihiin miyee

[Somalization]

I personally don’t think this will happen. Abgaal are all in for Banadir and having a Pm position will benefit them in completing that objective. Abgaal will not jeopardise Banadir becoming a state by wanting to be head of Hirshabelle which is reserved (In writing by Minister of Internal Affairs) that only Hawadle can become President. a More realistic approach from Abgaal to secure Banadir will be stepping down from Vice President of Hirshabelle and giving it to Gaaljecel.

Abgaal are not in it for Hirshabelle, it was Kheyre who wanted Islow to compete for Hirshabelle Presidency. Kheyre is out of the way now.

[Somalization]

I personally don’t think this will happen. Abgaal are all in for Banadir and having a Pm position will benefit them in completing that objective. Abgaal will not jeopardise Banadir becoming a state by wanting to be head of Hirshabelle which is reserved (In writing by Minister of Internal Affairs) that only Hawadle can become President. a More realistic approach from Abgaal to secure Banadir will be stepping down from Vice President of Hirshabelle and giving it to Gaaljecel.

Abgaal are not in it for Hirshabelle, it was Kheyre who wanted Islow to compete for Hirshabelle Presidency. Kheyre is out of the way now.

[sahal80]

I personally don’t think this will happen. Abgaal are all in for Banadir and having a Pm position will benefit them in completing that objective. Abgaal will not jeopardise Banadir becoming a state by wanting to be head of Hirshabelle which is reserved (In writing by Minister of Internal Affairs) that only Hawadle can become President. a More realistic approach from Abgaal to secure Banadir will be stepping down from Vice President of Hirshabelle and giving it to Gaaljecel.

Abgaal are not in it for Hirshabelle, it was Kheyre who wanted Islow to compete for Hirshabelle Presidency. Kheyre is out of the way now.

i can assure you that Kheyre awal Abgaal ayuu rabay in uu booska ku riixo so he is free to pursue the Prime Ministerial/presidential role laakin waxaa loo sheegay riyo rumoobayso in aysan ahayn and will spilt hirshabelle worse than Galmudug so he backed off on this option and started supporting Ali Madaxwayne candidates like Nuur iidow beyle and Ex hiiraan Governor Caraale against Goodax and Backing waare against his speaker who is pro Farmaajo.

Hawadles were suspicious of the relation beteen kheyre and ducaale first these guys have secret business relations and this is what ducaale worries the most. he was absent from the two cabinet meetings and still supports kheyre. while it's true you cant trust Kheyre maybe inuu nagu gaadi rabay ducaale but i believe he had a third Hawadle wing supported by Ducaale and wasiir canshuur and were seeking Ugaas hassan support just like the qoono muccaarad wing against Goodax

despite Kheyres colaad for Ali Osoble he fully backed waare who was staying away from involving in banaadir issues the opposite of Ali Osoble and opposing Farmaajo instead. hawadle financer minister receives Hirshabelle funds directly from the govt and though its against the constitution waare used it against the Gaaljecel speaker and the gugundhabe mps who supported Farmaajo. now that Kheyre has gone, the speaker and the gugundhabe mps waxay bilaabeen inay neefsadaan. it's one of the reasons why waare now get closer to the Abgaal mucaarad whom he was against them bc of the deal with Kheyre like when he tried to sabotage their visit to Baladweyne. baadicade federal mps like beene beene and khalif omar were very jubilant in outsing Kheyre? bc of Waare. this is pro Farmaajo hirshabelle jijeele mp.
notice im against this illegal action against mp isaaq(jijeele) and mp kadare(gaaljecel) just showing you how Kheyre was backing waare.

[Somalization]

I personally don’t think this will happen. Abgaal are all in for Banadir and having a Pm position will benefit them in completing that objective. Abgaal will not jeopardise Banadir becoming a state by wanting to be head of Hirshabelle which is reserved (In writing by Minister of Internal Affairs) that only Hawadle can become President. a More realistic approach from Abgaal to secure Banadir will be stepping down from Vice President of Hirshabelle and giving it to Gaaljecel.

Abgaal are not in it for Hirshabelle, it was Kheyre who wanted Islow to compete for Hirshabelle Presidency. Kheyre is out of the way now.

i can assure you that Kheyre awal Abgaal ayuu rabay in uu booska ku riixo so he is free to pursue the Prime Ministerial/presidential role laakin waxaa loo sheegay riyo rumoobayso in aysan ahayn and will spilt hirshabelle worse than Galmudug so he backed off on this option and started supporting Ali Madaxwayne candidates like Nuur iidow beyle and Ex hiiraan Governor Caraale against Goodax and Backing waare against his speaker who is pro Farmaajo.

Hawadles were suspicious of the relation beteen kheyre and ducaale first these guys have secret business relations and this is what ducaale worries the most. he was absent from the two cabinet meetings and still supports kheyre. while it's true you cant trust Kheyre maybe inuu nagu gaadi rabay ducaale but i believe he had a third Hawadle wing supported by Ducaale and wasiir canshuur and were seeking Ugaas hassan support just like the qoono muccaarad wing against Goodax

despite Kheyres colaad for Ali Osoble he fully backed waare who was staying away from involving in banaadir issues the opposite of Ali Osoble and opposing Farmaajo instead. hawadle financer minister receives Hirshabelle funds directly from the govt and though its against the constitution waare used it against the Gaaljecel speaker and the gugundhabe mps who supported Farmaajo. now that Kheyre has gone, the speaker and the gugundhabe mps waxay bilaabeen inay neefsadaan. it's one of the reasons why waare now get closer to the Abgaal mucaarad whom he was against them bc of the deal with Kheyre like when he tried to sabotage their visit to Baladweyne. baadicade federal mps like beene beene and khalif omar were very jubilant in outsing Kheyre? bc of Waare. this is pro Farmaajo hirshabelle jijeele mp.
notice im against this illegal action against mp isaaq(jijeele) and mp kadare(gaaljecel) just showing you how Kheyre was backing waare.

Exactly, the reason I believe Godax Barre will replace Waare is solely to do with clan and also merits. I believe the leadership of Hirshabelle was split between Madaxweyne Cisse first. Madaxweyne Cisse of Xawaadle is (Cali Madaxweyne, Yabar Madaxweyne, Cabdalle Madaxweyne (Agoon) ). Ali Osoble was the first President (Cali Madaxweyne), second to replace Ali Osoble was Maxamed Cabdi Waare who is (Yabar Madaxweyne). Third to replace Waare will be Goodax Barre who is (Cabdalle Madaxweyne - Agoon). Think of Madaxweyne Cisse like Mahamoud Saleeban (Cisse Mahamoud, Omar Mahamoud and Cisman Mahamoud) it’s comparable in that aspect.

[Osob101]

I personally don’t think this will happen. Abgaal are all in for Banadir and having a Pm position will benefit them in completing that objective. Abgaal will not jeopardise Banadir becoming a state by wanting to be head of Hirshabelle which is reserved (In writing by Minister of Internal Affairs) that only Hawadle can become President. a More realistic approach from Abgaal to secure Banadir will be stepping down from Vice President of Hirshabelle and giving it to Gaaljecel.

Abgaal are not in it for Hirshabelle, it was Kheyre who wanted Islow to compete for Hirshabelle Presidency. Kheyre is out of the way now.

Let’s be honest here. There is no such written agreement. Reality is that Mudulood could not have become the President of the state while still holding Presidency in Somalia. I can guarantee you that once a One Man One Vote starts let alone Abgaal, everyone and their mother will Vie for the seat. At the moment we are occupied with winning the big prize and ensuring Benadir rights are enshrined into the system. No offense but one we finish consuming that meat, we are coming to hunt you lol

[Somalization]

Lets say this rumour turns out to be true, What incentive does Xawaadle get by making the capital in Hiiraan and AG getting Presidency? Hirshabelle was a forced idea to begin with. Xawaadle wanted a Hiiraan State as Hiiraan region is the only region that remained undivided out of the eight original regions that constituted the Somali Republic. The other regions were broken into two or three sub-regions making the other 17 regions of Somalia, while Hiiraan region remained the only undivided region.

On July 23rd, 2012, President Sharif Sheikh Ahmed issued a presidential decree that partitioned the region into: Hiiraan and Upper Shabelle which is fair according to its size and geo-political importance.

The Federal Constitution was made on August 1 2012. Hiiraan and Upper Shabelle had a 8 day head start to make a state. This is a solid argument and if this rumour of flip of power sharing in Hirshabelle in indeed true. This is Hiiraan's only chance to be a federal state and let banadir and Sh Dhexe form a region.

[Somalization]

I personally don’t think this will happen. Abgaal are all in for Banadir and having a Pm position will benefit them in completing that objective. Abgaal will not jeopardise Banadir becoming a state by wanting to be head of Hirshabelle which is reserved (In writing by Minister of Internal Affairs) that only Hawadle can become President. a More realistic approach from Abgaal to secure Banadir will be stepping down from Vice President of Hirshabelle and giving it to Gaaljecel.

Abgaal are not in it for Hirshabelle, it was Kheyre who wanted Islow to compete for Hirshabelle Presidency. Kheyre is out of the way now.

Let’s be honest here. There is no such written agreement. Reality is that Mudulood could not have become the President of the state while still holding Presidency in Somalia. I can guarantee you that once a One Man One Vote starts let alone Abgaal, everyone and their mother will Vie for the seat. At the moment we are occupied with winning the big prize and ensuring Benadir rights are enshrined into the system. No offense but one we finish consuming that meat, we are coming to hunt you lol

MJ's were lol, so you're telling me you couldn't. You couldn't be president because 1. Capital was Jowhar even that is shared 2. You wanted Banadir and couldn't jeopardize that. Hiiraan could have been it's own state as Sharif split it into 2 on July 23 2012.

[Osob101]

Arooye

No one forced you or anyone to join the state. As for your Jowahar is shared am not going to bother because I welcome everyone to come live with us. It adds value to my city as they will contribute. At the end of the day what matters is who is in charge. We all know why the capital was chosen to be Jowahar which is a whole another debate. I was sitting and working for UNDP in Xamar so please spare me the marfish gossip. As I said everyone is entitled to become the President etc etc.

[Somalization]

Arooye

No one forced you or anyone to join the state. As for your Jowahar is shared am not going to bother because I welcome everyone to come live with us. It adds value to my city as they will contribute. At the end of the day what matters is who is in charge. We all know why the capital was chosen to be Jowahar which is a whole another debate. I was sitting and working for UNDP in Xamar so please spare me the marfish gossip. As I said everyone is entitled to become the President etc etc.

“No one forced you”

[sahal80]

Somalization sxb you are free but leave the Al ustadah Osob with her 1p1v dream and keep your 4.5/gentleman's agreement that is it

Jowhar is like ceerigaabo where isaaq dominates but there is dhulbahante side that connects it with sool. same way jiwhar has hawadle side and gaaljecel side that connectes it with hiiraan so we are not marti abgaals like in Xamar. abgaals r limited to the east of the river but its their administrative capital of middle shabelle(80%abgaal per land) so you have to respect that makes it politically Abgaal town and that why they took the capital and we took the presidency.

i like the Madaxwayne ciise kinship it's good for stability and unity of Hawadle since Ali dominate in the East and buuloburde and yabar madaxwayne jalalaqsi and koofur and agoon cabdalle in north of Baladweyne all the way to matabaan and feerfeer and then you have reer center and reer wabi farmers Cabdalle samatalis, adan warsame, cabdi yuusuf and reer ugaas wich is the most productive land .

Abdalle Samatalis are bigger than Agoon Cabdalle inside hiiraan atleast. Agoons are Ethiopians got only that 70km between baladweyne and matabaan. Cabdalle samatalis live from baladweyne to to halgan and from Halgan to buuloburde reason why al shabaab control the highway has to do with them being not satisfied with maamulka due to agoon using the madaxwayne ciise card to get mayorka baladweyne. its only agoon who use this card not Ali or yabar madaxwayne and your agoon kkk. Hirshabelle is a political leadership any hawadle can lead it like Omar hashi was leading that union between the two regions in 1998 oo lagu aasay shirkii hawiye ee baladweyne.

cabdalla samatalis deegaan in hiiraan is around 130km so i support their case if we want very secure Hiiraan

here are some of their deegaans or they dominate tge most like Halgan and booco between buuloburde and baladweyne along the high way

Halgan
booco
beerxaano
baarey
baarka balcad
dancad
doomcade
cade libaax
dheynweyne
kilin dhelo
baaciyaar
cadaleey
garasleey
tarajanta
garasyaani
baardheere
nuurfanax
hoolmooge
gumargeel
burdaar

iyo
baladweyne qoraxsin like buundowayn, quracley, gambarlawe and shabelle

you only hear these villages when SNA are librating the high way. take them seriously there must be a reason why al shabaab have presence in only Cabdalle samatalis deegaans besides they border gugundhabe and intermarry with them.