Clan make up of Hirshabelle capital

[sahal80]

Dadka badanaaba waxay u heestaan in Jowhar aysan aheen shared city for reer Hirshabelle though Abgaal dominate it politaclly as the adminstrative capital of Middle shabelle wich is 80% Abgaal by land but Jowhar itsself is the boundary between Abgaal and Gaaljecel and Hawadle.

this highway goes through banaan, buurane, dhiingaras, canalka shiinaha fiidow, Hiiraan and its west like dabeyley dhurweyle is Hawadle then you have gaaljecel all the border between Jowhar and lower shabelle(walawayn)and parts of Hiiraan and Abgaals in the east of the river from mahadaay to jowhar. abgaal connect to Jowhar from east of the river
https://www.floodmap.net/Elevation/Elev ... z=63622_12
for those pitiful haters who dont reer hiiraan is the majority on both regions and therefore Hawadle representing them leading Hirshabelle. as the capital we have been moving in now more and more. you have the politicians and mps and elders and we give hosting cintracts to our hotels wich means more opportunity for business men to move here!

[sahal80]

look the highway North of Jowhar Hiiraan direction goes through Hawadle, South of Jowhar Xamar direction goes through gaaljecel bc its located on the west of the river(Qoraxsin)

about 30k south of Jowhar half way to balcad around qalimow it becomes Mudolood like mobileen and we have isolated Miinlaawe Hawadle with them.

high west of the river till balcad(pic on the right)

[Ardentte]

Xawaadle in Jowhar and witheir own xaafad kkkkkkkk I've seen it all now. It is true ileen Sahal is an insecure kkkkkkk.

[GeoSeven]

Sahal is correct. Xawaadle and Gaaljecel are both in Jowhar, along with Shiidle and Abgaal. The latter two being the majority. Correct, Xawaadle also have their own xaafad. It's not news for people who are familiar with the city or the region.

[sahal80]

ku lama yaabayo sxb waa waxaa tahay clueless unukaleh. here is the proof


hawadle hantiwadaag waxay ka degaan laamaha labaad iyo sadexaad, afaraad waa gaaljecel koonfurta magaalada looga baxo(fiiri mapka wadada balcad aada) 1aadna waa mixed reer hiiraan u badan like baadicade, hawadle gaaljecel iyo murusade.


ex gudoomiyaha hantiwadaag is hawadle labaad aka baryare

ex ku xigeenka amniga AUN hawadle baryare


located in wadada waqooyi ee aada buurane- hiiraan

same hotel baryare



hadal haan ma buuxiyo this is informative thread not clan bashing thread. jowhar is for all of us no one marti here eccept this diversity.

[Somalization]

Sahal is correct, Jowhar is politically Abgaal. Gaaljecel and Hawadle make good amount of the population.

Abgaal own the land and it's their capital outside of Xamar.

Abgaal know GJ and Hawadle are no marti to Middle Shabelle and we get along well.

Long Live Hirshabelle

[Somalization]

Sahal is correct, Jowhar is politically Abgaal. Gaaljecel and Hawadle make good amount of the population.

Abgaal own the land and it's their capital outside of Xamar.

Abgaal know GJ and Hawadle are no marti to Middle Shabelle and we get along well.

Long Live Hirshabelle

[Voltage]

So I would like contribute to this convo strictly just from the written record. The Shabelle Valley is very interesting to me and in the course of some research into Marehan, and particularly with the shared issues concerning colonial borders and delineating what tribes came under what sovereignty (Ethiopia or Italy), there has been a lot of information that I have come across that puts a lot of the Valley into perspective

To be honest I am very hesitant though because of the "bad blood" Sahal has imbibed from normal disagreements in politics. I just don't have any taste or desire to be seen as "against" Xawaadle (nor any other clan for that matter), not that the information is even anti such clans in any case.

It is just that as Somalis, if anything is less than 100% matching our folklore, it will be interpreted as attack so you can imagine.

It is sort of how Digil and Mirifle have put themselves into a tight corner, for example, where parts of Gedo and the Jubba Valley are concerned.

By that I mean, from Shaykh to Shaydhaan to Scholar, since 1991 they have been yelling SIAD BARRE STOLE GEDO FOR MAREHAN, MAREHAN USED THE GOVERNMENT TO FORCE THEIR CONTROL.

This was pre-Google, colonial records weren't accessible, and the fast-paced AID INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX needed quick information to keep to quick funding deadlines----besides the entire narrative of the country having just overthrown the Gov backed up the D&M claim.

All of a sudden, claim meets record like the 1896 Italian capture of Lugh and present-day Gedo and it is like "Who and when did you say they was the cause of their land settlement again??





There is a lot of similarly very nuanced and interesting historical info on the Shabelle Valley out there we haven't seen much of.

It doesn't tell anybody living there today or with claims that they don't deserve to be there, but it does recontextualize founding settlement patterns a bit.

[sahal80]

Jowhar is same like ceerigaabo abgaals r just like the isaaqs who control/dominate it but it has dhulbahante side connecting it to sool. same way jowhar has hawadle side connecting it hiiraan but the difference is we had the Jowhar governor aw Geedi for over a decade so we moved into the town in the 80s the area they call now hantiwadaag laanta labaad baryare and now we have hirshabelle so we r recruiting police from the nomads, giving contracts to the businessmen wich means in 10 years we will get bigger!

Gaaljecel are the most native maryooley in Jowhar before Abgaal and Hawadle they dominate businesska xoolaha. in Hoelwadaag they have 4aad and share sadexaad with hawadle. i would say they r abit more than hawadle inside the town because they dominate two laan/waax and that is badacas and geelow jaw on the southern skirts wich connects them to walawayn and wadada afgooye. half way to balcad 30km is gaaljecel. this diversity will enrich Jowhar and will lead Hirshabelle to become more integrated. imagin cadale or warshiikh or buuloburde being the capital? this is why Jowhar is the best location.


internationally famous Hawadle from Jowhar. hassan geedi santuur writer son of geedi santuur aka aw geedi.






reer ciyow from dash weyne village outskirts of Jowhar

[Osob101]

Voltage

Don’t take this personally but I have read many many stuff you have written and it’s almost always pushing a Marehan or Darood agenda which is fine because you are bias towards your own. In that sense, it would be impossible for anyone to actually believe that you are neutral in the stuff you write. Also let be honest with each other, One can use the same notes and references from history and use to support their case or agenda but writing a dissenting opinion. I would personally be the wrong person since I
majored in Engineering but if you really are open to have a comprehensive debate in general than I can connect you with my cousin who lives in the US and is a Lawyer and is very much into history and politics.

[Osob101]

I am trying very hard to restrain myself to reply to the comments about Jowhar but the big mistake and assumption people make about Jowhar is thinking that just because Maxamed Dheere AUN was ruling it in the 1990s and because of that Abgaal captured it.

Let’s make one thing clear. Majority of Abgaal in Jowahir are not even Harti Abgaal let alone Warsengali so that alone makes that point mute. Jowhar is the goof of Maxamed Muse of Wacbudhan and Hati Abgaal villages don’t start until Mahadaye LOL.

[sahal80]

I am trying very hard to restrain myself to reply to the comments about Jowhar but the big mistake and assumption people make about Jowhar is thinking that just because Maxamed Dheere AUN was ruling it in the 1990s and because of that Abgaal captured it.

Let’s make one thing clear. Majority of Abgaal in Jowahir are not even Harti Abgaal let alone Warsengali so that alone makes that point mute. Jowhar is the goof of Maxamed Muse of Wacbudhan and Hati Abgaal villages don’t start until Mahadaye LOL.

don't worry express yourself. we know warsangali(originally from deexada/ coastal area and its surroundings) are settlers but they have been ruling Jowhar since then like jiinow and guudlaawe who was in mohamed dheere admin. locals r wacbuudhan and moobileen Osman. Jowhar mayor is Mobileen Osman and gudoomiyaha degmada is Shiidle
mohamed dheere came to Jowhar from cabdicasiis to join the Ethiopian backed opposition against the TNG where he can influence from the national politics and in Hiiraan Hassan Qalaad welcomed him as an ally but at that time Hawadle were controlling the west side of Jowhar aka hantiwadaag so he supported Gaaljecel against Hawadle deploying divide and rule tactics so our militias regrouped to our stronghold buurane.
https://reliefweb.int/report/somalia/le ... n-fighting

but i have to give him the credit because before him the city was divided just like Xamar he established maamul including all clans and then he hosted the TFG.

warsangale rose to power after 10 years of controlling ceelmacaan port the only port for south central somalia. Abdulqador Osoble where his money come from? from the saudi aid he was importing in ceelmacaan. Xaaji abukar cadaani, bashiir raagi shiiraar all these guys funded Mohomed dheere conquest of Jowhar.

that is how Jowhar became politically Abgaal under mohamed dheere. btw Hawadle had enough for Hiiraan back then so we contributed to Jowhar stability and we had a good cooperation by 2002 and under the TFG. Mohamed dheere himself attended Baladweyne conference 1999 besides Geedi and became Omar hashi deputy in Somali Consultative Council(SCC) so Hawadle and Warsangali faction had been in some early political union before Hirshabelle.
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!top ... 85gKo5c6tQ

Abgaals of Xamar like xussein bood wanted to lead it but we got our Jowhar guys!

http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Hornet/irin_71999.html

Mohamed dheere AUN and Jowhar
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.shaaci ... staa-weli/

waare mohamed dheere united Jowhar and established its first maamul and saldhig

[Righteous]

Wtf does Marehan have to do with Hirshabelle why is he writing paragraphs

[sahal80]

Wtf does Marehan have to do with Hirshabelle why is he writing paragraphs

ninkaas xoogaa isku dhex yaac aa ka muuqda but i dont wanna my thread to be hijacked.

[Righteous]

ninkaas xoogaa isku dhex yaac aa ka muuqda but i dont wanna my thread to be hijacked.