Puntland had mission creep.

[Voltage]

Disclaimer: I am not anti-Puntland although I virtually disagree with practically all of the state's policy positions under Deni.

Disclaimer 2: I am not a psychiatrist and this is not about medical diagnosis.

Is it me or has Puntland said NO to practically everything for a while now?

"Puntland do you want support?

NO! "

"Puntland so you do NOT want support?

NO!"

"Are you saying you want it or you don't?

NO!"

It is mind boggling to be honest---which brings me to a bigger point.

Puntland is adrift---like every other entity that achieves their original objective and hasn't either disbanded or rebranded.

In humans, this is akin to mid-life crisis for some. You are raising the kids and the objective is home and all of a sudden the kids are adults and you have to find a new purpose.

Since it started, Puntland was there to push Federalism as the model for the new Somalia.

Puntland succeeded. They succeeded SPECTACULARLY.

Somalia is a Federal, exactly in the vision and form pushed by Puntland and Puntland did this by constantly being the bulwark stopping any attempts to deviate from Federalism.

Now Federalism is not just a vision or a concept but THE ACTUAL FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

The design of the House is complete. The only thing left is Interior decorations and we will be discussing that for a long time even after house is completed.

Yet, Puntland refuses to accept the finished design---proposed and pushed by Puntland! Puntland wants to relitigate the housr foundations already laid and built.

Not only that, but Puntland wants to push the roof storm drain into the neighbor's property thereby encroaching on their equity.

When Puntland argues to administer it's "own test" to it's "own students" but be given Federal stamps to approve them, that's not Federalism.

When Puntland argues to be given 40% of all aid when it is not 40% of the Somalia population even with Somaliland excluded, that is not federalism.

When Puntland refuses Federal offices like federal election body and wants to administer it's own election with its own laws whatever it may be, that's not Federalism.

When Puntland wants it's regional head (a LOCAL EXECUTIVE OFFICE) to have the right to "veto" the national PARLIAMENT (A NATIONAL LEGISLATIVE OFFICE), something so antithetical to the principles of federalism and separation of powers (local vs. federalism, and local EXECUTIVE vs federal LEGISLATIVE), it is not federalism.

Practically nothing that I have seem Deni sulk at can be explained by fighting for federalism.

Puntland has mission creep. It achieved Federalism.

She doesn't seem to have prepared for the day AFTER Federalism.

She is lost, truly. She expresses that even more sadly through "First child syndrome." She was used to getting all the attention, all the relevance, and all the aid----because she was the only one there.

Now there are 4 other children. Some are crawling, some can sit, and some are learning to stand and wobble---but they are there.

It seems as though Puntland not only didn't plan but CAN'T accept that federalism didn't mean Puntland vs. Somalia but rather Federal States of which Puntland is but 1 member vs Federal Government which represents all of them at the national level.

In my opinion, Puntland isn't even functioning so much like a Confederation or Autonomous State as it is functioning as a lost and bewildered organization without a logical purpose to guide it.

It's just... lost.

[original dervish]

Say what you want about pl.....they have managed to build their state and the sfg in Xamar...all the while keeping their people safe from war and terrorism.

PL faces the same dilemma as sl after the fall of the previous regime.

They see a future where the Hawiya are in the driving seat and are not relishing that prospect.

Rather than declare independence pl has opted to include checks and balances on any admin in Xamar.
I personally agree with their concerns but would engage with Xamar to find a solution acceptable to all sides.

[STARKAST]

This is a wholly unoriginal thread and topic.

OD’s short paragraph served more sense and originality than the whole OP’s rambling.

[Murax]

Voltage,

I’ll defend Puntland and say in the grand scheme of things, this is par for the course with Qabiil focussed Somali politics. I remember when I lived in the DC area. Abdullahi Yusuf era, the Somali Gov delegations would come in and MJ would be welcoming them in the airport, with Hawiye protesting. When Hawiye became President it flipped and suddenly ‘Woke Dawlad loving’ Hawiye would welcome them, while clean shaven MJs sporting Saudi red turbans, ‘Wadaads’ would be protesting. Last couple years almost extremist/Irhab supporting Murursade folks in that area became pro Somali Dawlad, I wonder now? You can guess, Lol. I saw this all with my own ryes it was so embarrassing.


I don’t care who thinks it’s bragging because its the truth. The MX in my area, N America I am proud to say are the most centred, not extreme here or extreme there. I never recalled seeing MX protesting any Gov when they would come visit DC. Sure they welcomed Farmaajo when he visited but its not extreme like the other Somalis.


With Puntland I think what’s kind of flustered them is back in the transitional era they were the only Federal State still claiming to be part of Somalia so they could use all of that ‘Hooyada Federaalka’ stuff. Now though 2020, there are essentially 4 other Federal States including Benadir, and a lot of these States are the prime real estate of Somalia where the world has their eyes on (Reference oil blocks bidding, Turkey, Qatar investment, property prices). So where as before Puntland could rag doll and run a-mock with a Sh Shariif in 2010, today they are simply 1 of several other players. The show goes on with or without them. Some of them have the mindset of lets wake up and smell the coffee adjust to the new reality and get our share, while others like Deni believe in digging in and futilely trying to recreate the days of Garowe 1, 2, etc. to no avail.

[BigBreak]

Obviously as a staunch Somalilander nationalist I am as hostile to so called Puntland as I am hostile to the central government of Somalia. However I can not deny that PL is by far the most peaceful and functional FMS within and I support them being vigilant against any FG in Mogadishu that wants to impose themselves forcefully on reer PL as that will reverse the somewhat gains of the last 22 years

My Somalian neighbours must understand that if they want PL to be controlled by a strong federal government then such FG must a) relocate all federal branches of governance from Mogadishu to a PL city and b) make sure the leader of every single national political party in is a Majerteen. If this doesn't happen then expect the SFG to remain powerless over Puntland territory and its citizens

[Voltage]

This is a wholly unoriginal thread and topic.

OD’s short paragraph served more sense and originality than the whole OP’s rambling.

I am confused.

The purpose of my topic is not to be original. In fact, if this topic has been beaten to death (and I haven't seen any evidence of this), then my topic would still be formulated to contribute to a consensus.

Yet, again, I have not seen any signs of this. In fact, I have never seen any writing describing Puntland as an entity suffering mission creep at all---whether such writing exists or not.

The point is you are an enabler. You are what makes mission creep possible.

You want empty platitudes and worthless meandering like OD just borderlined drowned----sometimes at the expense of our ability to stay awake.

"Oh good little boy. Oh there you go BIG BOYYY!"

What are you a dog? Do you need a biscuit?

Exactly what relevance did empty platitude and meandering nothingness do for you? Puntland is being called a focking a spoiler by the same Ambassadors who used to force Sheikh Sharif and Hassan Sheekh to go for a pilgrimage to Garowe and kiss the ring!

You need to understand when someone is giving you tough advice for your own benefit. I said nothing "bad" about Puntland in form and function. I even said Puntland succeeded SPECTACULARLY. The relevance to empty platitudes beyond that is nill.

Puntland has a problem and that problem is called Mission Creep.

She doesn't know where the hell to turn and find purpose. If you care for her, go help her find a new Purpose. The other one she already conquered if she is not aware of it.

[Voltage]

Voltage,

I’ll defend Puntland and say in the grand scheme of things, this is par for the course with Qabiil focussed Somali politics. I remember when I lived in the DC area. Abdullahi Yusuf era, the Somali Gov delegations would come in and MJ would be welcoming them in the airport, with Hawiye protesting. When Hawiye became President it flipped and suddenly ‘Woke Dawlad loving’ Hawiye would welcome them, while clean shaven MJs sporting Saudi red turbans, ‘Wadaads’ would be protesting. Last couple years almost extremist/Irhab supporting Murursade folks in that area became pro Somali Dawlad, I wonder now? You can guess, Lol. I saw this all with my own ryes it was so embarrassing.


I don’t care who thinks it’s bragging because its the truth. The MX in my area, N America I am proud to say are the most centred, not extreme here or extreme there. I never recalled seeing MX protesting any Gov when they would come visit DC. Sure they welcomed Farmaajo when he visited but its not extreme like the other Somalis.


With Puntland I think what’s kind of flustered them is back in the transitional era they were the only Federal State still claiming to be part of Somalia so they could use all of that ‘Hooyada Federaalka’ stuff. Now though 2020, there are essentially 4 other Federal States including Benadir, and a lot of these States are the prime real estate of Somalia where the world has their eyes on (Reference oil blocks bidding, Turkey, Qatar investment, property prices). So where as before Puntland could rag doll and run a-mock with a Sh Shariif in 2010, today they are simply 1 of several other players. The show goes on with or without them. Some of them have the mindset of lets wake up and smell the coffee adjust to the new reality and get our share, while others like Deni believe in digging in and futilely trying to recreate the days of Garowe 1, 2, etc. to no avail.

That is exactly what my point is. In general, I would say this is not about clans or personalities or even "groups."

So basically that is to say Puntland is an actual, identifiable, physical, existing institution with material consequence. I am talking about that unique conceptualization of an administrative state represented right now by the administration of Deni.

Majerten or Harti is really irrelevant to this.

It simply will never happen that Puntland will find more favor uniquely in comparison to the other states.

Just because you are the First Born doesn't mean you get to get bread AND the butter while your little siblings get just the bread.

I don't know where that works, maybe in some very rare households but every household I have known treats their children equally as a general matter.

The fact that Puntland is even attempting to try otherwise is a reflection of MISSION CREEP.

If you don't disband by then, you rebrand. If you don't do either; you suffer the consequences of exponential decline and disgrace.

[Murax]

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[Murax]

Voltage,


Thanks for the correction in crystallising the meaning behind ‘Puntland’. I put it in Somali Maryoolay terms when I said ‘Mj’ but what I really meant is the Puntlanders that still operate on that old SSDF type doctrine of attempts at domination.


As you pointed out there are plenty of MJ, Puntlanders that would rather rebrand, and become normal states, citizens like everybody else. Don’t try to deal with Farmaajo like the way you did a weak Shariif because its fruitless.


Btw I dunno about you but I LOVE the resurgence of the previously dormant D&M on the scene because it brought great balance. Marka, Baraawe, Janaale being resided over by a State dominated by D&M, along with their heavy conscription into the SNA. The Nostalgia resentment Some Pland politicians have, certain HAG Politicians try to rally support on in ‘lets reconstitute USC Gaalkacyo to Kenyan border’. This new player in the game really helped level the playing field if you ask me. Fadaise!

[Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE]

Ha nolaadaan waa daaroode

[Murax]

Ha nolaadaan waa daaroode

Smile side tahay

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

All of you are idiots. Puntland since it's inception has worked day and night to destabilize our interests. I say good riddance. They even supported foreigners like Kenya to harm us and our shacab. I hope they don't wake up. And I hope they get humiliated on the daily. Why MX so weak when it comes to their real enemies? The same enemies who got weapons from Ethiopia and opposed us? I rather die than ever bend to those spoiled Fatboys in Garowe. I have too much dhiig to under somebody I consider my inferior. I wanna see Puntland burn. It is built on anti MX foundations. They hate us more than they hate Hawiyes and Isaaqs. Let that sink in.

[FarhanYare]

Say what you want about pl.....they have managed to build their state and the sfg in Xamar...all the while keeping their people safe from war and terrorism.

PL faces the same dilemma as sl after the fall of the previous regime.

They see a future where the Hawiya are in the driving seat and are not relishing that prospect.

Rather than declare independence pl has opted to include checks and balances on any admin in Xamar.
I personally agree with their concerns but would engage with Xamar to find a solution acceptable to all sides.

Buuqland wants complete chaos. I think it will do its self a service if they declare independence. They've been stuck with unhappy marriage fighting to remain in the driver seat something which i think they succeeded at, but their greed is driving them over the cliff. As voltage put it: it's like a todler throwing temper tantrum. They can take madoobe (a jigjiga native) with them and include him in the PL cabinet.

[BigBreak]

Surely nobody in Somalia wants Puntland region to actually secede as that would mean the end of . Besides PL has absolutely no right to break away as they have always been part of Somalia both during and after colonialism

[Osob101]

Say what you want about pl.....they have managed to build their state and the sfg in Xamar...all the while keeping their people safe from war and terrorism.

PL faces the same dilemma as sl after the fall of the previous regime.

They see a future where the Hawiya are in the driving seat and are not relishing that prospect.

Rather than declare independence pl has opted to include checks and balances on any admin in Xamar.
I personally agree with their concerns but would engage with Xamar to find a solution acceptable to all sides.

It is just mind boggling that even in 2020 your profile running around like a headless chicken. You are not Puntland/Somaliland or any other Federal state. Instead of going around and talking about the boogyman Hawiye, nayaa get your house in order. In ever sense you are as relevant to Somali politics as a cow is relevant to where it will be slaughtered next. When I saw sit, you sit, When I say walk, you walk.