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Regarding history, I honestly have to say IN NO OTHER REGION OF SOMALIA, INCLUDING SOMALILAND REGIONS, IS THERE SUCH A MISUNDERSTANDING OR COMPLETELY FALSE UNDERSTANDING OF HISTORY PRESENT.

IF if you take what they attempted to paint the Gedo Region and larger Jubba Valley during the civil war, wallahul cadiim you will get Hiiraan and the larger Shabelle Valley.

1. Formed by nepotism and tribalism
2. Historically stolen from unarmed
3. To this day, the majority are still hidden behind curtains
4. The day true democracy takes place, it will be the region that surprises the most.

For starters, MK himself seems to be under the false historical campaign.

Hiiraan IS NOT an original region. Hiiraan and Galgaduud WERE BOTH formed from original Mudugh of Italian Somalia AFTER THE END OF SOMALIA ITALIANA.

In fact, Hiiraan and Galgaduud were both made a decade and half apart in the long anals of Somali history.

Virtually, Hiiraan is NO DIFFERENT than Gedo Region. Gedo Region is essentially Serinlay District of British Jubbaland's 3 districts. Serinlay District was exactly from Dollow to Baardheere just like present Gedo.



Yet we are under this delusion 'Siad made Gedo for Marehan" when really both the region and the clan was the same under British Jubbaland---

---While Hiiran was made during the Trusteeship, THE ONLY REGION MADE DURING TRUSTEESHIP, through the interference of Ali Jimcaale and Abdullahi Ciise and Adam Adde.



2. Before incorporation into the region of Mudug, the upper part of Hiiraan was ENTIRELY Baadi Cadde and the freed Makanne.

In fact, the Italian police station that became known as "Belet Uen" when labor settlement was needed---itself known as MACANE, a "shamba" or farming area of the Makanne Somali Bantu. Only Baadi Cadde was grazing the area around Macanne Shamba.

In an address the Italian Governor gave the Italian Senate in the 30's discussing the border crisis with Ethiopia;




In 1924, Gedo had the same clan and BOUNDARY it has today, while decade after, Belet Weyne was "Macanne" named for the Somali Bantu farming village occupied by only the same people

The entire country is under false mythology and illiteracy

You might aswell name the topic "Sahal, come in"

grandpakhalif wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:00 pm You might aswell name the topic "Sahal, come in"

I think you forgot to log in as Kees.

Are the upper parts of this gobol still dominated by the Badicadde and Makanne, while the lower parts are contended by the Galjecel, Jijele, xawadle, and other jareer groups?

Voltage wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:54 pm

grandpakhalif wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:00 pm You might aswell name the topic "Sahal, come in"

I think you forgot to log in as Kees.

It seems like your obsessee with Kees did he sleep with your girl ? Cause I aint him, and I dont need your approval you mentally ill man. You remind me of Basra accussing others of multi nicking

UgaaskaBarakaysan wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:37 pm Are the upper parts of this gobol still dominated by the Badicadde and Makanne, while the lower parts are contended by the Galjecel, Jijele, xawadle, and other jareer groups?

Sometimes I lapse too--- mostly because some of the Somali Bantu in the Jubba Valley have taken ownership over the word Jareer by calling themselves Jareerweyne as a political identity---but I will remind both of us the J word is pejorative particularly without the "weyne" political suffix amd especially the Shabelle Valley. I am starting to understanding "Shiidle", "Makanne", etc are more affirmed identities.

Extending into Ethiopia, they are called Reer Barre, Reer Shabelle, etc. Even Khelaafo isn't older than Beled-Weyne---it was made after colonialism commenced when the Ethiopians established a small local force next to the Shamba of Barri ("Reer Barre").

South of the Shabelle at Bari extending into Berdaale, the Gugandhabe and especially the Gaaljecel herded.

Xawaadle lived on the northern Banks at Bari after falling out with Ajuuraan and Baadi Cadde who were the masters over the Reer Barre/Makanne. The Ajuuraan in particular were the temporal lords ("Malaaq") over the nomads of the Gugandhabe while the Baadi Cadde were the spiritual lords (Wadaado-Imam as in sanctioned by the Harar Emirate as a "Zawiya" or Islamic mission).

Connecting the two were the Sheekhaal and the Reer Aw-Hassan in particular who functioned as moving missionaries between the nomadic wells (Wadaado-Aw/Au or "Xer").

Keep in mind how important these historical categorizations are and relevant to the historical context----while completely unremarkable to Somali historical amnesia today.

The Xawaadle lived under and were heavily integrated into Bah Geri Xeer. I mean from my reading, in another 50 years, it is possible Xawaadle would today be a Bah-Geri clan. This shows also how the Miyirwalaal/Ogaden themselves formed. At that time, Awlyahan were NOT considered Ogaden, and Makaahiil was traversed and described as "disaffected Marehan" .

{Gives a totally new twist to the famous repetitive Marehan remark "Reer Cusman and Reer Garaad Ogaadeen bay u galeen" after their fights with reer Hussein Yusuf Mataan (reer Diini, Farah Ugaas, Rer Axmed, rer Siyaad Xussein, Cali Xussein, etc)----now leaves me with suspicion that what was actually meant is not all reer Garaad and reer Cusmaan came back---may not even the majority and they may even have made Muqaabul}.

The river environmrnt itself was impossible for Somali nomads. I have always questioned why Marehan and Ogaden were directly on top of the land near the River but never on the Shabelle. It wasn't like that they weren't looking for fertile land. Moreover their daring migration to the Jubba Valley had certainly shown both the power and resources (spiritually and materially as it took a lot of drive and means)----so why weren't they? I got my answer in the 1800s after one of the explorers went to Marehan and asked Ugaas Nuur (the current Ugas is Mohamed Ugas Hashi Ugas Hersi Ugas Mohamed Ugas Nuur) and Ugaas Nuur scoffed basically saying you're a fool, the dsgusting brown waste (Shabelle River) kills everything, man and beast---there is nothing to see, it is ugly, it is brown, it doesn't move, and it kills everything but the "Adoni."

So guess what? The TSTETSE FLY! I have no idea how it was cleared or if something was done after colonialism (there has to be), but the Shabelle River and Valley starting down from the highlanda once it got to the flat and hot Somali plain was colonized by the Tsetse fly. The Tsetse killed man and it killed camels even faster! That's the beast Ugas Nuur meant because cattle could become immune to it. Perhaps due to their evolutionary history in farming and requiring similar environment, the Somali Bantu reer Shabelle must have carried herd immunity because they were the only ones ON the River until colonialism. Also the clans around the Shabelle River weren't there by choice. It was literally a consequence of evolutionary defeat in the battle for best grazing land. Also this absolutely has nothing to do with anything other than me contextualizing a historical fact.

Which brings me back to how Xawaadle entered Somalia and Hiiraan, why Bah Geri isn't reer Somalia and the entire false history that absolutely is not ONLY not part of historical record but is ACTUALLY disproven by it. Some people argue here "Hawiye" waged a battle and deprived Ogaden of settlement. No. Literally the opposite... Bah Geri and Cawlyahan following their opened trail forced their way into Hiiraan until the Tripartite "understanding" of who is in what sphere in the British-Ethiopia-Italian faceoff deprived Marehan of Shilabo and Wardheer and conversely Bah Geri of northern Hiiraan.

Voltage wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:54 pm

grandpakhalif wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:00 pm You might aswell name the topic "Sahal, come in"

I think you forgot to log in as Kees.

Farhan-

Kees is a very interesting guy. He doesn't know that motivated by curiosity, I actually identified an algorithm FOR how he is likely to act as Grandpa. The effect is basically give one, take 1/3rd---WHEN "defending" his rer Abti. If it comes at the expense of his biological blood, drop a 4th, give 3, but make sure another 4th becomes spoiled before being received.


So the Hamdi, young victim story, Grandpa comes in----and let us just say, I don't comment/engage/question him ----but in what is a horrible story, I am left with the sensation of briefly feeling a faint chuckle at such a sad display of someone's identities at war.

I like the dude. He is like a younger brother to me and Grandpa knows how open minded I am, the one that I am an abti to s no different to me than the one I am an adeer, of any clan, type, nation. I want him to share similar philosophy because it is the best philosophy. Grandpa is very close to his reer abti, exceptionally so. I would hope he rethinks and allows himself the chance to transform what he feels about them----even with such extraordinary love for them already cursing through his veins.

As for you, I won't bother. I have honored you more than once with a substantive reply and frankly, there is nothing I disdain more than unreturned intellectual stimulation.

Voltage wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:38 am Farhan-

Kees is a very interesting guy. He doesn't know that motivated by curiosity, I actually identified an algorithm FOR how he is likely to act as Grandpa. The effect is basically give one, take 1/3rd---WHEN "defending" his rer Abti. If it comes at the expense of his biological blood, drop a 4th, give 3, but make sure another 4th becomes spoiled before being received.


So the Hamdi, young victim story, Grandpa comes in----and let us just say, I don't comment/engage/question him ----but in what is a horrible story, I am left with the sensation of briefly feeling a faint chuckle at such a sad display of someone's identities at war.

I like the dude. He is like a younger brother to me and Grandpa knows how open minded I am, the one that I am an abti to s no different to me than the one I am an adeer, of any clan, type, nation. I want him to share similar philosophy because it is the best philosophy. Grandpa is very close to his reer abti, exceptionally so. I would hope he rethinks and allows himself the chance to transform what he feels about them----even with such extraordinary love for them already cursing through his veins.

As for you, I won't bother. I have honored you more than once with a substantive reply and frankly, there is nothing I disdain more than unreturned intellectual stimulation.

I am more Marexaan than you will ever be can you name where the following tuulos from Cabudwaaq are in respective to their directions? (Galbeed, Bari, Northwest East)

Thank you.

Bangeelle
Hulkajir
Galmeygaag
Duubin
Raqqo
Qorof