Pres Farmaajo MUST dial back the DOMESTIC heat; he must check his "GREATEST FAILURE."

[Voltage]

As a supporter of President Farmaajo; his greatest failure, as I have said before, is advancing progress EVEN AT THE EXPENSE OF reconciliation.

• DE-ESCALATE.
  
  • Defeat the opposition at the ballot box.
    
    Do not contribute to the perception you are defeating them in the "street."

Finally, I reiterate my previous criticism which identified what I termed his "greatest failure"----a seemingly secondary treatment in mitigating all threats, real or perceived, to "reconciliation" when it presents a challenge to what Team Farmaajo views as progress.

Protecting reconciliation is SUPREME.

3. I agree with you exactly ON THE DISTINCTION between saboteurs like Abdirahman Abdishakur and the real and credible opposition like Hassan Sheekh/Sheekh Sharif.

When I say I, AS A SUPPORTER OF PRESIDENT FARMAAJO, I "perceived" a shocking level of disregard for preventing any threat to reconciliation, I am talking about exactly the failure of Farmaajo to NIP THE HASSAN SHEEKH/SHEEKH SHARIF issue (among others) in the butt and quickly do whatever possible to make the issue about DIFFERENCE IN OPINION not anything remotely connected to abuse of power or tribalism or any of the issues that fueled the civil war.

Even if Farmaajo WAS TOO PROUD to do it, his pride should have been sacrificed for the good of advancing reconciliation.

Unfortunately, I think isolating the failute to "public relations" is underestimating the existential threat presented by threats to reconciliation for Somalia in particular.

Truthfully I have not been happy or satisfied by Farmaajo's handling of various number of occurrences of this nature and I think it has been his single greatest deficit.

Everything in moderation is always the best. Too hands on and micromanaging is stiffling and too hands off and aloof is literally being absent.

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=399960

[Murax]

His Government mistake is not simply arresting Culusow, Shariif, Abdishakur and instead closing down the roads, inconveniencing shacbi who didn’t do anything.

[grandpakhalif]

I agree he should just ignore them and not provoke them this actually legitimizes them and brings credence to their baseless accusstions of a burgeoning dictatorship

[Voltage]

His Government mistake is not simply arresting Culusow, Shariif, Abdishakur and instead closing down the roads, inconveniencing shacbi who didn’t do anything.

We don't have a thought police in a democracy my brother.

Hassan Sheekh and Sh Shariic can say "we want Kenya in Somalia JUST BECAUSE and also it is in our personal interest period---

---and they are still entitled to their freedom of expression and their right to assembly and petition society for elected office.

The point is Farmaajo and his gov aren't THE LAW.

THE LAW IS THE LAW NO MATTER WHAT GOV IS IN POWER.


No matter how odious we find and vehemently disagree with the views of Hassan Sh, Sh Sharif, and especially Abdirahman A---

---they have committed no crimes---

---and in fact arbitrarily using the LAW to impede their rights is the "crime" AGAINST "The law."

The crime would be misuse of power and unlawful detention----ARBITRARILY.

By your statement, I interpreted, as I see it, a very callous and dangerous disregard for the principle of EQUALITY BEFORE THE LAW.

Farmaajo is not The Law.

He and his Gov are under The Law.

Just like the opposition.

And they are all EQUALLY before The Law.

Otherwise, you could be the next Hassan Sh and Sh Sharif and Abdirahman A---if the next government and its supporters don't like your "views.

[Murax]

Voltage,

Let me just put it out there:

A) Culusow, Cabdishakur, Shariif went beyond words, and into the territory of infiltrating gunmen into protests with the intention of creating a conflict.

B) Words in a nation with very, very infant institutions have a heavier meaning in a place like Somalia than they do in the West. These bozos have made it clear they will do everything in their power to recreate 1991, if they do not have the already agreed upon elections tilted in their favor.

C) There is a very real, and clear as day agenda being pursued by Kenya, UAE, to push candidates who will be lackeys for countries like Kenya who are aiming to swindle generational wealth that our Grandkids In Shaa Allah might enjoy.


Considering these issues,so many others I can bring up, in the interest of National Security, and this VERY pivotal point in Somalia’s history, I feel that some drastic measures might be warranted. May Allah bless Somalia

[BigBreak]

On this I agree with Voltage.....if a ruler is genuinely popular then they should not threaten democracy and freedoms in any way but should beat his opponents in public opinion and credible elections. However Farmajo is undoubtedly a reviled creature who has taken his country backwards hence he must be defeated preferably by the ballot box

[Voltage]

Voltage,

Let me just put it out there:

A) Culusow, Cabdishakur, Shariif went beyond words, and into the territory of infiltrating gunmen into protests with the intention of creating a conflict.


B) Words in a nation with very, very infant institutions have a heavier meaning in a place like Somalia than they do in the West. These bozos have made it clear they will do everything in their power to recreate 1991, if they do not have the already agreed upon elections tilted in their favor.

C) There is a very real, and clear as day agenda being pursued by Kenya, UAE, to push candidates who will be lackeys for countries like Kenya who are aiming to swindle generational wealth that our Grandkids In Shaa Allah might enjoy.


Considering these issues,so many others I can bring up, in the interest of National Security, and this VERY pivotal point in Somalia’s history, I feel that some drastic measures might be warranted. May Allah bless Somalia

MY BROTHER, YOU VERY BEAUTIFULLY EXPLAINED WHY YOUR POSITION IS WRONG.

As I theorized, your problem isn't lack of "judgement," it is limited vantage----you need to see YOURSELF in that context.

Quickly;

1. Allegedly.

You may think that---even I may think that---but there is no organ with 100% universal confidence, trust, and legitimacy ("Court") that has validated a charge, confirmed evidence, and ruled a decision we can subsitute for "Truth."

You have only presented what one faction of Somalia's fragile nation-building ecosystem saw and inferred.

2. TRUST is missing.

The institutions are in fant, because we are still not out of civil war. Lack of trust is the number one consequence and "their words" = lack of trust.

Trust > State Action

The "response" to their words needs to be stop institutional action and build consensus and trust IN the institutional process.

3. "Every bully is someone's child."

We take civil war + lack of trust = every perspective, including yours, represents a factional interest/consideration.

The response to this is like accepting the school bully is actually your child and fixing his flaws start at home.

Again, we shore up trust, consensus, and confidence in the institutional process.

Whatever YOU, OR I, OR FARMAAJO GROUP "think" is only what OUR side thinks---

---in this thing called the Somali nation building process---

---we should never, ever lose the humility to remind ourselves of this limitation.

Nothing screams everyone go back to civil war in Somalia than for Farmaajo to arbitrarily detain his political opponents.

Those institutions were destroyed in the first place because of lack of universal trust and confidence in them.

[gobdoon]

I agree with you it seems the mucarads have no teeth all the threats of going back to 91, and even when demo. Started expecting they would bring the sky down and to me it seems Farmajo has more supporters in Xamar than all of them put together but that should not go on his head and get more ambitious but he must remember he is the president and he must find solutions and way out after all he caries most of the blame why the things are as bad as it's

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

These Hawiye politicians are controlled by Kismayo and Garowe. The two places responsible for the deaths of hundreds of MXs in JL. He should detain them and kill them. I'm talking about Deni and Madobe. Not waste his time with Hawiye politicians who have no popular support on the street in Xamar. Neutralizing his own domestic enemies within Darood should've been his first priority.

[Voltage]

On this I agree with Voltage.....if a ruler is genuinely popular then they should not threaten democracy and freedoms in any way but should beat his opponents in public opinion and credible elections. However Farmajo is undoubtedly a reviled creature who has taken his country backwards hence he must be defeated preferably by the ballot box

We don't agree at all.

Whether a ruler is popular or not, effective or not, anything else or not---there should ONLY be one way to respond to his legitimate political opposition---the ballot


That position is not dependent on or reflective of any qualifier of any president.

Your subjective opinion about Farmaajo's popularity is irrelevant and even false---you have no measurement to ascertain the level of it and even subjectively, you came out on the less credible end of conjunctures.

[Voltage]

These Hawiye politicians are controlled by Kismayo and Garowe. The two places responsible for the deaths of hundreds of MXs in JL. He should detain them and kill them. I'm talking about Deni and Madobe. Not waste his time with Hawiye politicians who have no popular support on the street in Xamar. Neutralizing his own domestic enemies within Darood should've been his first priority.

Saddam, fadhi ku dirir concepts should not be mixed with standards judging the government Somalia deserves---even when your guy isn't not in power.

I would agree though, with regards to Ahmed Madoobe, he has credible human rights violations and state crimes allegations that preclude him from being "legitimate opposition."

I am talking about the 6 wounded men killed in Bu'aale when he was part of the ICU and charcoal exportation which is illegal in Somalia.

[gobdoon]

2 things are wrong, some Hawiye saying Xamar is their Degaan and until what they want is not given we would go back 91 which we all know what happened was not good and put back Somalia to decades the rest of the world and is a painful era when our country took the wrong
Secondly you got some Mx like here in Snet who think because Farmajo is the president this is Mx government and he can do no wrong, God knows what they would do when he leaves power

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

These Hawiye politicians are controlled by Kismayo and Garowe. The two places responsible for the deaths of hundreds of MXs in JL. He should detain them and kill them. I'm talking about Deni and Madobe. Not waste his time with Hawiye politicians who have no popular support on the street in Xamar. Neutralizing his own domestic enemies within Darood should've been his first priority.

Saddam, fadhi ku dirir concepts should not be mixed with standards judging the government Somalia deserves---even when your guy isn't not in power.

I would agree though, with regards to Ahmed Madoobe, he has credible human rights violations and state crimes allegations that preclude him from being "legitimate opposition."

I am talking about the 6 wounded men killed in Bu'aale when he was part of the ICU and charcoal exportation which is illegal in Somalia.

This isn't FKD sxb. I view Deni and Madobe as my number 1 enemies. They are responsible for my villages in Ceelwaaq getting bombed. It is Reer Guuri whose taking the brunt of the KDF assault on Gedo. Especially Reer Yusuf, Talxe, and Urumidig. This is personal. Deni showed us he is an enemy. Until we neutralize Deni and Madobe. I won't take Farmaajo seriously. Sorry.

[Shirib]

Voltage is wise.

Murax is being extremely short sighted. Dowlada can be accused of every single thing that you accuse the Mucaarad of.

[Gubbet]

So much for this.