Mooges now claiming Kenya is using their sharcidaro(lack of legitimacy)

[sahal80]

good admitting though and shirka will take place in Xamar. you gonna get another slap on your cheeks soon.


"The missing materials are:

1- Violence in Mogadishu
2- Constitutional Crisis in "

[Osob101]

Sahalow

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. The Maritime issue is not about Farmaajo or Xasan Sheikh but about all of us Somali people no
Matter where we live. This issue is bigger than all of us and affects generations to come. We have differentiate between our opposition to the current administration and our loyalty to being a Somali. Kenya is a country who is hellbent on making sure that we are always at each other’s throat so that it can live of our failures as people. Adunka kikyuu iyo wixi laa socdoo ayaan laa yaaba qandha fool xun ega dheh

[SultanOrder]

Sahal, I don't get what your point is. It is a fact that Kenya is trying to use the political crisis in Somalia to postpone the ICJ that is set to adjudicate next month. Why would they deny that Kenya is using the political crisis to their benefit? The current administration merely reiterating that fact is not acceptance that their administration is unconstitutional. Did you expect them to deny Kenya is making a claim? They simply deny the implication of Kenya's claim, that because of the political crisis their current administration is unconstitutional.

[sahal80]

Sahalow

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. The Maritime issue is not about Farmaajo or Xasan Sheikh but about all of us Somali people no
Matter where we live. This issue is bigger than all of us and affects generations to come. We have differentiate between our opposition to the current administration and our loyalty to being a Somali. Kenya is a country who is hellbent on making sure that we are always at each other’s throat so that it can live of our failures as people. Adunka kikyuu iyo wixi laa socdoo ayaan laa yaaba qandha fool xun ega dheh

Yaa Ustada, these guys are using this against Hassan Sheekh who brought Kenya to the court to begin with. كلمة حق يراد بها باطل nust like Imam Ali put it:" a word of truth by which falsehood is sought"

i ubderstand where you coming from as a genuine Somali who have no qabiil driven interests in there but i dont buy their hypocrite argument. qofkuu ilaahay ka shifo lama asturi karo this is Mooge when he was "

Sahal, I don't get what your point is. It is a fact that Kenya is trying to use the political crisis in Somalia to postpone the ICJ that is set to adjudicate next month. Why would they deny that Kenya is using the political crisis to their benefit? The current administration merely reiterating that fact is not acceptance that their administration is unconstitutional. Did you expect them to deny Kenya is making a claim? They simply deny the implication of Kenya's claim, that because of the political crisis their current administration is unconstitutional.

qaran dumis"



My point is Kenya never said that so stop internalizing everything and linking it with the illegitimacy of Mooge and PL and the opposition leave alone JL that card waa gubtey hada ka hor.

"Kenya asked for a postponement because it wants in person proceedings, said Ken Ogeto, the country’s Solicitor General.

This is a complex case that requires proper presentation. We have maps, documents that need to be illustrated in court. This would not be possible in a virtual hearing,” he said. For such a serious matter to be heard virtually would be “unfair and prejudicial to Kenya” Ogeto said.

The matter was postponed for a third time last May due to the coronavirus pandemic and is scheduled to be heard between March 15 and 19."


infact this issue waxay ka midtahay fashilada waa wayn ee mooge wadankaan u keenay asaga ayay saarentahay eeda. what a loser!



backfired him




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[Voltage]

[Voltage]

Sahal, just one more brother...

[Osob101]

Sahalow

I personally don’t care what ever excuse Kenya brings up in trying to delay the case from proceeding, even if it has a civil war. For me the goal and end game is to make sure this case proceeds in the legal frame work because in the end, I’am the one being wronged here by Kenya who is trying to steal what is mine. Yes the fans of Farmaajo will claim that he is responsible for the ICJ case when we all know who started it. I expect who ever becomes the next President to continue the case in the international court because this is not about tribe or who will sit in that chair. The case will affect us and our future generations for life and it should not be a political game. Farmaajo will be gone sooner or later but loosing our sea means looking it for ever.

[WadaniggaBarakaysan]

Sahalow

I personally don’t care what ever excuse Kenya brings up in trying to delay the case from proceeding, even if it has a civil war. For me the goal and end game is to make sure this case proceeds in the legal frame work because in the end, I’am the one being wronged here by Kenya who is trying to steal what is mine. Yes the fans of Farmaajo will claim that he is responsible for the ICJ case when we all know who started it. I expect who ever becomes the next President to continue the case in the international court because this is not about tribe or who will sit in that chair. The case will affect us and our future generations for life and it should not be a political game. Farmaajo will be gone sooner or later but loosing our sea means looking it for ever.

You remind me of Voltage. In one hand, you are a Hawiye supremacist and on the other hand, you display this notion of Somalism, as if you genuinely believe Somalinimo over any tribe, even if it is your own tribe. On the contrary, it is a well known fact that you dislike certain clans (*cough* Daarod), whom you believe have wronged you (politically, militarily and economically), although it is never wise to generalize. It is quite interesting to read the posts you and Voltage make that are evidently self-contradicting to say the least.

If Yemen, like Kenya wanted to steal an area of the sea that belongs to Somalia, let's say an area adjacent to Bari, would you really care as much as you're showing to care about the Kenya-Somalia maritime issue or would you see it as an issue between Yemen and the clans of that area?

[Voltage]

Sahalow

I personally don’t care what ever excuse Kenya brings up in trying to delay the case from proceeding, even if it has a civil war. For me the goal and end game is to make sure this case proceeds in the legal frame work because in the end, I’am the one being wronged here by Kenya who is trying to steal what is mine. Yes the fans of Farmaajo will claim that he is responsible for the ICJ case when we all know who started it. I expect who ever becomes the next President to continue the case in the international court because this is not about tribe or who will sit in that chair. The case will affect us and our future generations for life and it should not be a political game. Farmaajo will be gone sooner or later but loosing our sea means looking it for ever.

You are truly a class act. Wallahi Gob baad tahay.

To continue, Sahal is lying. No one in Nabad iyo Nolol designed to use Kenya against Hassan.

Furthermore, here in this very forum I and many on this side have always given Hassan Sheekh his due on ICJ case, even correcting amongst ourselves.

The article says Somalia had been very transparent and made itself available at every turn to discuss the issue, but Kenya was lazy, shockingly immature, and very arrogant which led to Somali frustrations that led them to institute a court proceeding.

Remember that it was the Hassan Sheekh government that filed the court suit.

We even acknowledge Hassan on the difficulty of the ongoing process which is what always be used to judge his term instead of out of contexr

Hassan Sheekh instituted the mandate of Federalism as our foundation similarly also against impossible odds navigating everything from Hirshabelle and the Hiiraan isbaaro, Galmudug with its political landmines in every district, Konfur Galbeed with the 6 regions vs 3 regions/L Shabelle choices both powderkegs, and Jubbaland with Kismaayo/KDF vs. Gedo cliff hanger still at aj impasse today.

So when IMF observes the problems with details like low capacity and high turnover, anyone who understands the CONTEXT doesn't necessarily fault Hassan Sheekh or previous govs. Those were caused by the fact even the basic foundations of state formation weren't agreed to and which those previous govs were trying to put together.l

[Voltage]

Sahalow

I personally don’t care what ever excuse Kenya brings up in trying to delay the case from proceeding, even if it has a civil war. For me the goal and end game is to make sure this case proceeds in the legal frame work because in the end, I’am the one being wronged here by Kenya who is trying to steal what is mine. Yes the fans of Farmaajo will claim that he is responsible for the ICJ case when we all know who started it. I expect who ever becomes the next President to continue the case in the international court because this is not about tribe or who will sit in that chair. The case will affect us and our future generations for life and it should not be a political game. Farmaajo will be gone sooner or later but loosing our sea means looking it for ever.

Also may I even add this broader point.

Our Gedo/KDF issue is not caused by who we support.

Who and what we support is caused by the existential crisis we in particular have faced for sometime

Hassan Sheekh is the one WHO FOUGHT to go to Kismaayo to legitimize that Congo-style, subversive takeover in Kismaayo by KDF. He is the one who poisoned his reputation.

Our position was the same in 2013.

In fact here is a convo between Sahal and I where I literally display exactly my same position against KDF for its subversion but at that time AGAINSG THE HAWIYE PRESIDENT HASSAN SHEEKH.

IN FACT, I EXPRESS HOPE THAT HE PUSHES BACK AND DEFENDS THE NATION'S SOVEREIGNTY.

This people like to reimagine Farmaajo animates out position---NO, FARMAAJO FOUGHT BACK---that's why has galvanized our response.

I showed the same hope in Hassan Sheekh as I did Farmaajo and even if I was disappointed, I continued to stand by Him.

UNFORTUNATELY HE HAS LEFT "US.*

Wallahi waa yaab.

My position in 2013 is exactly my position today.

Yet look at Sahal, ku kahaa Kenyan will be taking the Ahmed Madoobe local maamal out of the way and giving Hassan Sheekh control over administration.

Look how naive this guy was.

I recognized Kenya exactly for what it was; their political finger prints were like their Bantu neighbors in central Africa who all carved for themselves their areas of rule in the Congo.

Is my support for the Somali government on this issue ABOUT FARMAAJO or has it always been support to the Somali government even with a Hawiye president against Kenya disrespecting Somalia's sovereignty?

This was my topic in 2013 after Kenya told the Hassan Sheekh gov they can't come to Kismaayo because they can't secure their safety when Kenya just took over Kismaayo from Shabaab!

Hassan Sheikh is a damn coward
PostSat May 25, 2013 1:23 pm

Madoobe, Madoobe, Madoobe...It was never about this weak geezer. It's the focking Kenyans that are the problem!

Kenya has thousands of men in Kismaayo and how much arsenal including armored PC's and helicopters? Kenyan troopa control the airport, the sea port, and disarm Madoobe in 20 mins.

How the hell are planes turned around from Kismaayo airport, government ministers and officers not allowed to leave the airport if they descend, and then tell the government committee already present that Kenya "can't secure their safety."

Blatent indha adeeg such as this needs equal and opposite indha adeeg. You have to shake up the factors a bit whenever stagnation occurs so there is a new momentum.

Yet the President goes on bilateral meetings with Kenya and sits with them at tables the whole world is watching and praises them, thanks them, and treats them like the best supporters and most honest military force to come into Somalia. This is some central Africa type schit where the leaders of countries being torn apart holds hands with leaders of countries tearing up their countries.

Where the hell is Abdullahi Yusuf to call Kenya out in the middle of the London Conference? Some might think schit like that is over the top, but that's the type of game changer which will keep Kenya in her place.

In the last IGAD meeting, the president mentioned in a small indescript way that KDF doesn't show the partnership the rest of AMISOM shows so let us hope it was the hint a new public approach is beginning to keep them in line.

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 0&t=327743

Look at this guy Sahal's completely naive (and really completely childish thinking when you look back)

Voltage wants hassan sheekh to act like siyaad barres win or lose, that is craziness. Hassan sheekh wants to win or to not lose.
Secondly, it was not the kenyans who stopped them, they let more madoobes army to spread in the airport with his own orders telling them to not land.
Anyways it was sorted out through amisom and the ministers will be arriving there tomorrow.
Why are you clashing with kenya when its president recognized the govts efforts to set up an administration in kismayo in his own words and not recognizing the existing maamul in kismayo?
Maybe hassan sheekh plays with kenya in their way by provoking them to rash action.

Kenya was holding Kismaayo for the Somali gov huh and it's president recognized Hassan Sheekh's right to set up an administration there huh? This guy was completely under thr influence that Kenya was like a normal member of AMISOM as opposed to acountry with long term strategic interest in Jubbaland that wanted to wrench it free from government hands?

And isn't it ironic it is the same Hassan Sheekh that was embarrassed to that level in his own country now fighting to legitimize the same occupation of Kismaayo that made him toothless in his own country.

Wallahi waa yaab

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=397700

[Caytame]

so a whole 4 year term, and farmaajo couldn't get the case to court and let Kenya have their way? Is it incompetence? is is he colluding with them? or is it both?

[Osob101]

Kulahaa you remind of me Voltage? LOL. I’am a Mudulood Supermacist and have never denied that fact. I will always make sure my interest are taken care because that is how politics work in Somalia but that does not mean am going to sacrifice a whole chunk of my country just because I have a disagreement with as you called it”cough cough Darood”. This is not about me or others here. This is going to affect the country for generations to come. Also what ever disagreements we might have internally should not affect this case. This case I bigger than all of us.

[BigBreak]

When Mooge is out of office soon I hope the next President of Somalia is a Hawiye that is Mudulood, HG or Hawadle. Likewise I hope the future prime minister is Ogaden