Finally!!! Madasha have opened their eyes!!!

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Finally!!! Madasha have opened their eyes!!!

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The Heshiis between the government and Madasha was about one thing and one thing only.

DELEGITIMIZING ANY USE OF FORCE/MILITIAS/PARAMILITARY OUTSIDE OF THE STATE INFRASTRUCTURE.
Dowladda Federaalka iyo Midowga Musharaxiintu waxa ay ka wada shaqeynayaan sidii Ioo qaban Iahaa bannaanbax si nabadgelyo ah ku dhaca, iyadoo dowladdu ilaalineyso amniga iyo badqabka bulshada Soomaaliyeed.
Indhacade and his shenanigans the night before February 18 was a blessing to the dawlad. 1. He said there is no government and I have every right to secure an area (calling for anarchy) 2. his forces attacked government forces providing an excuse for the use of force by the government and dispersing protestors (security concerns).

His actions have really tarnished the position of the the Madasha, which is why they got no sympathy from the IC and the general public. The IC and most Somalis will choose Farmaajo over those calling for anarchy. The Madasha had to cut ties with him, and this is the result of his actions.

So is this a win for Farmaajo? Yes, it is but it is also a win for the institution of the government. The Madasha by providing their own security, which was really fully armed militias that often outnumbered actual protestors were making a statement about the government and its forces. That they were not to be trusted, and that we still have not moved away from the anarchy of the past. However, by accepting that the government are the only legitimate forces to protect the rights of protestors, essentially they have accepted that they were wrong, and the government is a legitimate entity.

This also works in Farmaajo's favor because it takes away from Puntland's objections which were related to protests and government security forces. If Madasha who are behind the protestors accept the security forces, then what right does puntland have to say replace the senior officials?
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Interesting developments.
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The madasha were never going to be the modern version of the USC heroes, if they have a parallel from 3 decades ago it would be the old Manifesto group (albeit less diverse clan wise). Eventually forces outside the Madasha group will take armed action if the weak wannabe tyrant Mooge either rigs the election or indefinitely delays the election
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I have said this in AbkoowDhiblaawe's thread the other day.

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 0&t=402282
Personally, I think Farmaajo is making a mistake for banning any protest in Mogadishu. The opposition have the right to protest peacefully albeit the opposition shouldn't bring into the streets heavily armed militia that do not take orders from the Federal Government. Both sides need to maintain the rule of law.

Government should accept the protest. Let the opposition take it to the streets peacefully. If the government wants to bring out their supporters into the streets the next day or whatever, they should. Farmaajo's administration has one of the worst PR team ever. Farmaajo's public-relations team should see to it that no ban should be placed on the opposition's call for peaceful protest.
AbkoowDhiblaawe agreed with me. It looks like we had our own "heshiis" if you will, where I (partially representing the government's view point) and AbkoowDhiblaawe (fully representing the opposition's view point) came to a common understanding and agreement prior to the government and the opposition even meeting up. :lol:

If AbkoowDhiblaawe of all people can accept what I had proposed, which essentially is what the government proposed, then it's a no-brainer for the opposition to accept it as well.
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Is it heavily armed militia and paramilitary or is it just the armed Security detail for former presidents and prime minister of Somalia??
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IRONm@N wrote: Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:13 pm Is it heavily armed militia and paramilitary or is it just the armed Security detail for former presidents and prime minister of Somalia??
Even in the civilized world, the Government provides security at protests. I know you are mucaarad but how could you not have at least partly understood the Gov’s position? Politicians in a civilian protest, and with Tikniko’s headed to one of Somalia’s landmark hallmarks, How could that not have been seen as proactive and explosive?
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IRONm@N wrote: Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:13 pm Is it heavily armed militia and paramilitary or is it just the armed Security detail for former presidents and prime minister of Somalia??


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IRONm@N wrote: Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:13 pm Is it heavily armed militia and paramilitary or is it just the armed Security detail for former presidents and prime minister of Somalia??
Next time when you ask yourself or you ask someone else, "why is Somalia in the shithole situation it's in for 30 years?" Remember to look yourself in the mirror and you will find your answer.
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Beesha 6 is the ultimate power in qadaadweyn land. Period.
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WadaniggaBarakaysan wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:36 am
IRONm@N wrote: Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:13 pm Is it heavily armed militia and paramilitary or is it just the armed Security detail for former presidents and prime minister of Somalia??
Next time when you ask yourself or you ask someone else, "why is Somalia in the shithole situation it's in for 30 years?" Remember to look yourself in the mirror and you will find your answer.
Lool what are you talking about?
A lesson in constitutional rights was given to your Mooge and his friends like Rooble, waziirka amniga (former journalist) talking about nobody can protest or held meetings.
I rather have Somalia burn to the ground then loose my rights and freedom. That why our country was destroyed before, because of Mohamed Said Barre, taking ppl’s rights away to speak, to challenge and to held elections and you morons think we going to allow that in 2021.
Now they all changed and singing a different tune, saying “anyone can protest, it’s every Somali constitutional right”. Blah blah
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IRONm@N wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:28 pm
WadaniggaBarakaysan wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:36 am
IRONm@N wrote: Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:13 pm Is it heavily armed militia and paramilitary or is it just the armed Security detail for former presidents and prime minister of Somalia??
Next time when you ask yourself or you ask someone else, "why is Somalia in the shithole situation it's in for 30 years?" Remember to look yourself in the mirror and you will find your answer.
Lool what are you talking about?
A lesson in constitutional rights was given to your Mooge and his friends like Rooble, waziirka amniga (former journalist) talking about nobody can protest or held meetings.
I rather have Somalia burn to the ground then loose my rights and freedom. That why our country was destroyed before, because of Mohamed Said Barre, taking ppl’s rights away to speak, to challenge and to held elections and you morons think we going to allow that in 2021.
Now they all changed and singing a different tune, saying “anyone can protest, it’s every Somali constitutional right”. Blah blah
If you have read my previous posts, you would've known that I have criticized Farmaajo's administration in stopping the opposition from having any type of peaceful protest. I also have criticized the opposition for bringing into the city heavily armed paramilitary militia while claiming to be holding a "peaceful protest." You assumed I support Farmaajo because I have criticized you.

Another point you have brought up was Siyaad Barre which had nothing to do with the conversation. We can go back and forth and talk about Siyaad Barre's 21-year rule vs the 30-years after the end of his rule and what transpired. We can discuss what the root causes of Somalia's civil war and what happened when the civil war broke out. But, that's for another discussion at another time.
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SultanOrder wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:19 am
IRONm@N wrote: Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:13 pm Is it heavily armed militia and paramilitary or is it just the armed Security detail for former presidents and prime minister of Somalia??


:lol: :lol:

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gegiroor wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:02 pm
:lol: :lol:

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Gegiroor aka udun salaanta waa ka qaaday, how you been bro ?
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Do you think this is even feasible...?
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SultanOrder wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:47 am
gegiroor wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:02 pm
:lol: :lol:

@Sultan Order aka @Perfect Order waa ku salaamay.
Gegiroor aka udun salaanta waa ka qaaday, how you been bro ?

Doing great bro. It took a year to respond. I was caught up family, work, and family matters. Good to see that you're doing great.
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