Another failure! How to spin a failure?

[SultanOrder]

The shir with madasha failed because of their unreasonable demands. To be included in the election process. Why did it fail? Because they have no legitimacy other than their own ambition to be president.

The Federal Government was elected by the Somali Parliament, which was selected through a long process of odayaal qaabil. At least they can say that they have some kind of legitimacy.

Federal Member States can at least have some kind of legitimacy because they were "elected" through some kind of process.

Madasha? They are not running at the head of a party that has garnered votes. They are just a group of hopeful candidates. Anyone can run for office, why does running for office entitle you into the process? This is crazy, which is why they were not given nor can they be given a seat. The most they can be given is a role as an observer, but they can not have any say.

Now, lets look at Sahal and lets show why he is so hard to deal with and pin down.

He starts the day with a bold claim:

Maanta waxaa banaanka u soo baxdey in Mooge waxba aheyn halka Rooble yahay hogaamiyaha kaliya ee loo aqoonsanyahay caretaker.

Farmaajo is nothing because they refused to meet with him, and Rooble is the real leader and considered a caretaker.

Yet in the meeting, Cabdirahman Cali Shakur said Rooble waa nin loo talinayay

“Rooble caawa oo dhan fariimo ayaa loo soo dirayay, shirkii caawana waxaa fashiliyay dadka fariimaha soo dirayay,” ayuu yiri Cabdiraxmaan Cabdishakur Warsame.

If he is the one in charge, why is he constantly seeking approval by people that are not even there??? Yaab badana

Clearly the meeting failed because the demands of the opposition were unreasonable in the first place. So how will Sahal spin this even though he made such bold claims?

Easy, make a new bold claim and soon enough you'll forget about the old claim that didn't come true.

Opposioninka howsha ayagaaba qasab kula wareegeen sababtida wixii ka danbeeyana Xamar waa la wareegi as de facto leadership mudaharaadka ha socdo

The Opposition are going to be the "de facto leadership" after Saturday because there is going to be such a big protests.

[grandpakhalif]

Another failed prediction by sahal, it seems like Madasha believe that Rooble is Farmaajo puppet not a real leader. Man this sahal guy must be the worst political analyst I have ever seen his Prediction failed yet again

[UgaaskaBarakaysan]

There is no way to spin this sort of novice immaturity shown by madasha xaraash qaran. They miscalculated PM Roble's meeting with them as an act of weakness instead of a show of strength.

The presidential aspirants have no legitimacy as stakeholders in any of the agreements reached between the FGS and FMS in the Sept 17th meeting or the Feb 16th Baidoa technical committee meeting. Which makes meeting with them only a show of good will on the part of the government.

Now that they have made requests that they have no capacity to ask for it only shows that there is a disconnect between the old 'admins' and this current government led by President Farmaajo and Prime Minister Roble. There is no way to circumvent the rule of law which is what the old transitional admins would do on a regular basis. There needs to be a nidaam that all people follow and that is what many criminal fear the most.

There is xasilooni siyasdeed being implemented within the country and it shows with each situation that unfolds. Some people would like to call pro government leaders puppets of some sort, but on the other hand they cheer for individuals that would rather see bloodshed which shows that they don't have an iota of grace and should be left out of civil discourse entirely.

It's also important to note that all of the Federal member states aside from a few regions are ready to follow through on the Sep 17th agreement and implement the Feb 16th Baidoa recommendations as soon as possible. It's become clear that the only strategy that our foreign adversaries were banking on was to ensure PL/JL hold out on joining the election process until some of these opposition groups start some sort of instability. Which goes to show that there is a fundamental lack of principles within the so-called 'former leadership' which was always apparent.

This was a statement released by the United States Ambassador to the UN Security council on Feb 22nd and is the only way forward at this time.



Here is an excerpt from the full statement which states that the only way forward will be the stakeholders that signed this agreement to follow through with it.

"The United States firmly opposes the use of violence by any party. We call on President Farmaajo and Somalia’s Federal Member State leaders to act swiftly to resolve the political impasse that threatens Somalia’s future and to find agreement to allow the conduct of parliamentary and presidential elections immediately.

The February 16 Technical Committee recommendations provide a clear framework for resolving the impasse. We urge all political leaders to endorse the recommendations and begin implementation as a matter of urgency."

https://usun.usmission.gov/remarks-at-a ... via-vtc-4/

[sahal80]

i see you here showing your true Guulwade colours

my whole point ilaa hada waa iska dhago tiree. i said ma aqoonsanin mooge but we r imposing Rooble as alternative. remember i never said Rooble will accept our demands this is what i said
"how Madobe and Dani are using Rooble as imposed alternative and if he doesnt accept the opposition demands they r not coming to shirka Xalane but what alternative has Mooge for Dani and Madoobe? "Deni and Madoobe can refuse to go to a meeting, doesn't mean Farmaajo is any less President" if he is not less president what alternatives he has? them and mucaaradka have Rooble as alternative and so far it has worked. wasnt Mooge against sitting with mucaaradka and his last wiifto shows this. Deni and Madoobe said not before Rooble reaches heshiis with Mucaaradka. IC just agreed on this. we dont need here your non existing "president" Mooges"


Rooble said i will add you to the shir as observers but the opposition said no want to be saxiixayaal/signatories

now they are going to deconstruct Hirshabelle and Galmudug and Mogadishu banaanbax and may meet Rooble again with more Hirshabelle and Galmudug backing and from stronger position

having said that Rooble has showed huge change it just not enough for one meeting to take radical position bc this will mean a direct clash between him and Mooge. he spent with the opposition 10 hours and even said to them "Hirshabelle iyo Galmudug ka soo dhametsta aniga toos september 17 uma badali karo"

hada waxaan u soconaa labadaas iyo banaanbax moogane cid la hadleysa maleh! maxaa is badalay hadalkeyga oon aheen miskaxdaada guulwadeysan filin bug ah ooy kuu sawirtay?



Rooble agreed on 1,2,3 qodobada Mooge cannot appoint or remove shit after february 8
iyo qodobka opposition is free to hold banaanbax

iyi in ciidamada laga saaro siyaasada oo policeka oo xor ah qabtaan doorashada waa ogolaadey wich is huge victory for the opposition PL and JL. xaqiiqatan ka qaybgalka shirka waa gorgortan si sadexda kale loo meel mariyo waa u soo noqonaynaa qodobka shirka. filo beesha caalamka oo horumar ku tilmaanta kulankii xalay.

Mucaaradka luqada ay isticmaaleen shirks kadib aaday u xumeyd halka Rooble luuqad fiican oo isku soo dhawaansho isticmaaley. ayagii ayaa ninkii dheereeynaaya duligaatihiin cuna!

wich is huge change by Rooble

[Sbashi]

i see you here showing your true Guulwade colours

my whole point ilaa hada waa iska dhago tiree. i said ma aqoonsanin mooge but we r imposing Rooble as alternative. remember i never said Rooble will accept our demands this is what i said
"how Madobe and Dani are using Rooble as imposed alternative and if he doesnt accept the opposition demands they r not coming to shirka Xalane but what alternative has Mooge for Dani and Madoobe? "Deni and Madoobe can refuse to go to a meeting, doesn't mean Farmaajo is any less President" if he is not less president what alternatives he has? them and mucaaradka have Rooble as alternative and so far it has worked. wasnt Mooge against sitting with mucaaradka and his last wiifto shows this. Deni and Madoobe said not before Rooble reaches heshiis with Mucaaradka. IC just agreed on this. we dont need here your non existing "president" Mooges"


Rooble said i will add you to the shir as observers but the opposition said no want to be saxiixayaal/signatories

now they are going to deconstruct Hirshabelle and Galmudug and Mogadishu banaanbax and may meet Rooble again with more Hirshabelle and Galmudug backing and from stronger position

having said that Rooble has showed huge change it just not enough for one meeting to take radical position bc this will mean a direct clash between him and Mooge. he spent with the opposition 10 hours and even said to them "Hirshabelle iyo Galmudug ka soo dhametsta aniga toos september 17 uma badali karo"

hada waxaan u soconaa labadaas iyo banaanbax moogane cid la hadleysa maleh! maxaa is badalay hadalkeyga oon aheen miskaxdaada guulwadeysan filin bug ah ooy kuu sawirtay?



Rooble agreed on 1,2,3 qodobada Mooge cannot appoint or remove shit after february 8
iyo qodobka opposition is free to hold banaanbax

iyi in ciidamada laga saaro siyaasada oo policeka oo xor ah qabtaan doorashada waa ogolaadey wich is huge victory for the opposition PL and JL. xaqiiqatan ka qaybgalka shirka waa gorgortan si sadexda kale loo meel mariyo waa u soo noqonaynaa qodobka shirka. filo beesha caalamka oo horumar ku tilmaanta kulankii xalay.

Mucaaradka luqada ay isticmaaleen shirks kadib aaday u xumeyd halka Rooble luuqad fiican oo isku soo dhawaansho isticmaaley. ayagii ayaa ninkii dheereeynaaya duligaatihiin cuna!

wich is huge change by Rooble

The opposition need to realize they are no different than other presidential candidates. What they are attempting has never been heard of in the history of mankind. How can normal civilians be co-signers of an agreement? Even if HS or Galmudug got their back, qoorqoor and guudlawe will be the ones signing not the opposition. And if they got demands HS and GM will present those demands to the fgs as their own.

This whole include us story, you know what it is? It's a pipe dream, they will never be allowed to sign anything as they do not have any authority. If they are allowed to be included in the agreement because of their ambition. Then every single presidential aspirants should be included too, including me. And as you might guess, it will be a shitshow. It's crazy enough that they are giving demands to the FGS and rooble actually met with them to discuss their demands.

[Murax]

TheSultanOrder,

Tbh this got boring. It’s not even remotely interested anymore.

[FarhanYare]

Even Murax is over the never ending drama . Shiiq umal spoke both sides need to stop this shyt more so on farmaajo cause he will answer to god those lives that will be lost and were already lost under his macangiignimo.

[Voltage]

Even Murax is over the never ending drama . Shiiq umal spoke both sides need to stop this shyt more so on farmaajo cause he will answer to god those lives that will be lost and were already lost under his macangiignimo.

You aren't God and you don't speak for God. Refrain from your il-intended prophesization.

Furthermore, you are inaccurate and quite frankly dishonest.

"Macangag" = Stubbornness

To be the "stubborn" factor in this process, one must be the entity whose decision controls the movement of the process.




President Farmaajo is not the reason why the process is not moving.

It is Deni and Madoobe, being 2/7 of the relevant authorities who have stopped the process.

That means the entities who can be called "stubborn/macangag" are Deni and Madoobe---since movement of the process rests on their decision.

However, of course, it is possible you did not fully comprehend the meaning of "macangag" when you used it.

[Caytame]

Farmaajo won't sit there forever, and the opposition won't be out there talking forever. One of these days, the chickens will come home to roost.

It's only a matter of time.

[Caytame]

Even Murax is over the never ending drama . Shiiq umal spoke both sides need to stop this shyt more so on farmaajo cause he will answer to god those lives that will be lost and were already lost under his macangiignimo.

You aren't God and you don't speak for God. Refrain from your il-intended prophesization.

Furthermore, you are inaccurate and quite frankly dishonest.

"Macangag" = Stubbornness

To be the "stubborn" factor in this process, one must be the entity whose decision controls the movement of the process.




President Farmaajo is not the reason why the process is not moving.

It is Deni and Madoobe, being 2/7 of the relevant authorities who have stopped the process.

That means the entities who can be called "stubborn/macangag" are Deni and Madoobe---since movement of the process rests on their decision.

However, of course, it is possible you did not fully comprehend the meaning of "macangag" when you used it.

Madoobe will get his demands met or there won't be an election. You can take that to the bank. waa xoog iyo sandule, ma'aha baryo.
Deni and Madoobe aren't the ones racing against time to hold an election, it's your midget autistic adeer.
go cook up some more fake maps and drawings and see if it helps farmaajo's case.

[FarhanYare]

Voltage chill dude so you don't agree with shiekh umul? Go watch his latest advice to both sides.

[Voltage]

My friend, Madoobe is a mere nuisance of a problem already strategically defeated.

It's like Japan after the defeat of the Third Reich in Europe.

They have lost strategically. The mission that caused Japan to declare war (Empire-building)a is defeated. They no longer even control why they are fighting.

Yet, they are such a nuisance with their kamikaze and sacrifice for honor and Emporer's glory----AFTER ALREADY HAVE LOST THE WAR STRATEGICALLY AND KNOWING THE MISSION THAT STARTED THE WAR IS A FAILURE---the US has to resort to the first use of nuclear bombing because they judge American soldier's sacrifice isn't equal to the nuisance of a defeated enemy who is no longer a strategic threat but is too stupid, or rather too guilty, to surrender.

Your Madoobe and more importantly the Kenyan project in Kismaayo is already dead strategically.

It's only a matter of what is next and when.

[Murax]

Voltage chill dude so you don't agree with shiekh umul? Go watch his latest advice to both sides.

It was fair, and balanced. He criticized Madasha. He also criticizes Farmaajo, but he also criticized Madoobe, Deni by saying ‘Tell me where a regional Government can refuse orders from the Federal Government’. I wonder if Caytame will disown him now


But you’re right, I am so over this buuq iyo qeylo. It’s a circus. Good news though, at least the maritime case with Kenya is next week. That will take care of a lot of buuq, and qeylo.