⚠️Impeding humanitarian work, which Shabab doesn't even do, is a Crime Against Humanity under Geneva Conventions

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⚠️Impeding humanitarian work, which Shabab doesn't even do, is a Crime Against Humanity under Geneva Conventions

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ReturnOfMariixmaan wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:49 pm

This is a crime so heinous it is an indictable offense as a Crime Against Humanity under the Geneva Conventions.

Not only is it an adverse political interference in the delivery of humanitarian service but it is impeding such work to use drought as a collective punishment.

This Is Hague Level Crime Against Humanity
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There’s a laundry list of human rights violations Madobe committed in his ten years. But this is the most heinous.
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Gubbet wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:23 pm
ReturnOfMariixmaan wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:49 pm

This is a crime so heinous it is an indictable offense as a Crime Against Humanity under the Geneva Conventions.

Not only is it an adverse political interference in the delivery of humanitarian service but it is impeding such work to use drought as a collective punishment.

This Is Hague Level Crime Against Humanity
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wow :shock:

Madoobe is one thing, but what are the LEGAL implications foe the political officers in that international organization WHO ARE CLEARLY ENGAGING IN SUCH SHOCKING CONDUCT :shock:
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Gubbet,

With respect I never understood why you in the past showed so much faith in ‘international community’ BS. That’s why I got enraged when you used the EU ambassador statement to embellish your argument about why Janaan should have been arrested. Case in point, the fact that he recognizes the very person who’s crimes you decry says enough about their legitimacy. Bottom line is force will prevail at the end of the day, and as long as KDF is in Kismaayo these type of things, and worse will occur. Infact, I have no idea why anybody even bothered in the first place trying to in the open raise money in Kismaayo for Gedo. Kenya, their installed mayor Madoobe in Kismaayo are at war with the people of Gedo. How the hell does anybody think he would be okay with providing relief there? We shouldn’t talk about Kismaayo honestly, until the day Farmaajo says I want Kenya out of Somalia by this date no if, ands or buts. Until then discussing it is futile.
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Murax wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:49 am Gubbet,

With respect I never understood why you in the past showed so much faith in ‘international community’ BS. That’s why I got enraged when you used the EU ambassador statement to embellish your argument about why Janaan should have been arrested. Case in point, the fact that he recognizes the very person who’s crimes you decry says enough about their legitimacy. Bottom line is force will prevail at the end of the day, and as long as KDF is in Kismaayo these type of things, and worse will occur. Infact, I have no idea why anybody even bothered in the first place trying to in the open raise money in Kismaayo for Gedo. Kenya, their installed mayor Madoobe in Kismaayo are at war with the people of Gedo. How the hell does anybody think he would be okay with providing relief there? We shouldn’t talk about Kismaayo honestly, until the day Farmaajo says I want Kenya out of Somalia by this date no if, ands or buts. Until then discussing it is futile.

I agree. Force is the only answer. And we’re documenting the reasons why it’ll end up like that before a certain community acts victim. I have no qualms with what you said. I agree. No point in talking anymore.



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I am glad you pointed this out, because this is a way at looking at the world that I realized recently I am sort of different in opposition to the rest of my clansmen on this board--including you born in the D.C area.

In fact to most Somalis I would say---who seem to me to reflect your side than mind.

  • Murax I would say you adhere to "dualism" in looking at the world.
    • You also display belief in "moral relativism."


  • I adhere to "pluralism" in looking at the world
    • And I seem to affirm "cultural relativism".
When you say "this guy is a warlord, he was going to kill at least this can stop MORE of it from happening" oh and there's "always God and the Hearafter", let's leave it there---you have no idea how infuriating that sounds. :lol:

But that's because you believe in moral relativism-----PAUSE: not that all morality is equal, but that some people are good and some are bad and by the very RECOGNITION of the distinction----you are prepared to tolerate it if there is a perceived interest even if completely goes against the other.

I am the opposite.

I am a cultural relativist-----PAUSE: again not that this describes "equality" between cultures but that people are products of their environment and reflect it in how they interact with it ("culture"). Because of that I can see why Marehan are treating Janan the way they did and I can see why the European ambassador DID NOT SPEAK when Janan was in Kenya but is speaking now.

Which brings us to DUALIDM AND PLURALISM.

Dualism is THIS OR THAT.

1.Janan gets this.
2. Or more people die.

1. The EU Ambassador must always be this
2. Or stop at all

1. Janan doesn't HAVE to get justice here
2. But he WILL in Aakhira

Now these are absolutes, but I really have observed your dualism which is by nature that constrained (heart or mind, feeling or thought.).

I am observe the world with PLURALISM

1. Janan has waged 2X wars, is not a threat, and Kenya has moved non from physical
2. People will not die
3. The ones that died should be accounted for
3. The government out to condition his surrender to justice

1. The EU Ambassador represents his government in a job
2. He adheres to accepted diplomatic protocol
3. Of course he did not commeny and I don't except him to comment in the future on any bilateral entanglement
4. As someone very involved with domestic capacity building, his statement was actually humane considering the sensitivity and brave (the personal appropriate kind not the dumb, crazy type to speak over his country on a foreign border issue).

1. I leave Heaven to God
2. The point of building institutions and Government now is to provide law amd order to us here
3. Law and order is about legal precedent and the rule of law must be steadfast and binding
4. Janan must be held accountable for going to a foreign country and attacking twice


Now obviously, aI was generous to myself and explained myself but THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT PLURALISM IS.

I evem explained it in detail why my grip wasn't even with "Marehan" becausr as a cultural relativism affirmer, I accepted they could be hostages...my gripe was with Government.

It is also why the EU Ambassador was to me a case of "two truths can simultaneously co-exist.

1. Hr was right not to speak when Janan was in Kenya.
2. He is right to speak when it is domestic Somalia policy.
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Are you guys sure Gedo hasnt received COVID vaccine yet? Cabudwaaq got it a week ago. What a total shame if true
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"Grandpa" it's not a shame bro. It is "criminal"
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Certain folks who never been to Kismayo and seen it for themselves think the issue will be solved by complaint. Unless KDF leave the status quo will continue. Anyone who collects sadaqah for Reer Gedo choosing to do it INSIDE Kismayo deserves to be called out for their xoolonimo and doqonimo. You know the situation.
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