A possible theory concerning splinter groups from Marehan

[Gubbet]

So this is not to offend, but my theory, as has been explained before, is;

1. Biciidyahan (MJ)
2. Maqaabul (OG)
3. Reer Ayaanle (HG)
4. Toljecle (IQ)

are offshoots of Marehan from the last big offensive/defensive reconfigurations that ended or concluded the long civil war that started with the murder/death of Boqor Mohamed Da'ud Abadir.

1. This ending resulted in the defeat of the original Harari leadership that had retreated from Harar to Aussa.

• The Afar, with the Ali Da'aud dynasty in Harar, took over Aussa to make it an Afar Sultanate from then on and in the east the retreating Marehan of Emir Nur Dynasty who had by then lost Aussa after Harar, engaged in the battle that ended the war among themselves since the death of Boqor Mohamed Da'ud.
  
  The different alliances reconfigured and some splintered off to create the bases of Bicidyahan, Maqaabul, Ayaanle, and Toljecle.
  
  They made new Xeers that made bigger Xeers (i. r. Became "reero" that became "qabiilo").

2. In the beginning of the war that started everything was the death/murder of Boqor Mohamed Da'ud that saw the Marehan retreat from Harar to Aussa to begin with.

• This is when the Marehan of the Emir Nur Dynasty had moved the administration of Adal to Aussa to begin with and Ali Da'uud Dynasty of Harar City started (which ended with Menelik's capture of Harar).
  
  In that original start of the long civil war which began inside the Marehan of Harar with members of the Marehan sub-clan of Hawlraarsame accused of the assassination of Boqor Mohamed Da'uud, earlier sets of reconfigurations took place that resulted in splintering to make new Xeer as well with other disjointed groups.
  
  Some groups that I suspect formed from this are Habar Awal, the Jiidle/Baadicadde, Amaanle of the NE, and Jidwaaq.

These are the originally splintered groups from Marehan just "hanging" around in limbo/periphery with their new made Xeer units that would be who the final splinters from Marehan in the conclusion of the Marehan civil war would join with to make some new big Xeer groups (qolo) today.

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1. Beginning of the civil war: the death of Boqor Mohamed Da'ud
   • Emir Nur Marehan Dynasty moves Adal to Aussa, Ali Daud Dynasty takes over Harar
     • Offshoots from Marehan make Habar Awal, the Jiidle/Baadicadde, Amaanle of the NE, and Jidwaaq.
2. Conlusion of the civil war, Hussein Yusuf Matan end battle of succession within Marehan
   • Afar Tribesman + Ali Daud Dynasty in Harar seize Aussa and end Adal, Emir Nur Marehan Dynasty retreats East to Hawd/Somali plains
     • Offshoots from Marehan make bases of Bicidyahan, Maqaabul, Ayaanle, and Toljecle.
3. Groups A and B reconfigure in myriad of ways to make new Xeer groups ( Somali clans).

What I am saying sounds radical and surprising, but what makes it sound radical and surprising is just hoe understudied and unscientifically critqued Somali clan formation is.

Of course the above is a theory, but I can assure you it's scientifically based hypothesis and not on subjective oral guesswork.

[Sbashi]

What about Mamasan (Cisse)?

[barbarossa]

War dadka koonkan ku nool oo dhan sprung from the loins of Ilkoyareticus, the first man created by Waaq.

[Seedyare]

I have one question for you,Voltage. What made you think the clans you mentioned splintered from Marehan or why do you even acknowledge the existence of Marehan if you will doubt or even discredit the clan formation of other established Qabils?

[Seedyare]

Another interesting story for you ,Voltage

According to Marehan version of abtirsi Warwaajecle is the only son of Raadamiir Amaanreer . However, Hawiye genealogists have a plausible alternative abtirsi for Warwaajecle and according to them (as indicated in their tribal charts) Warwaajecle is an offshoot or splinter of Yabadhaale Cayr .

Wace Yabadhaale Cayr
Warwaajecle Yabadhaale Cayr
Wargaare Yabadhaale Cayr
Wanaagle Yabadhaale Cayr


According to Cayr ,some 300 years ago , Ugaas Guleed splintered with his Warwaajecle sub clan and joined Marehan clan .

[Seedyare]

“Sacad waa Ogaadeen hadii loo abtiriyaaye ” waa odhaah caan ah blse Hawiye way naga xistiyeen in Muuse Gumacadle ciduu yahay ay toos u abaaraan ama u xusaan .

According to Hawiye legend , Maxamad Wilinwili had three lost kids and each kid grew into a seperate clan (two in Hawiye ,1 with Raaxwayn)

Kabaale Maxamad Muuse Gumacadle (Abgaal)
Warasiile Maxamad Muuse Gumacadle (Xariin)
Sacad Maxamad Muuse Gumacadle (Habargidir)

Note: Warasiile is part of Hariin ,The clan of Lafta Gareen :

This Sacad clan chart says it all .

[barbarossa]

Lest there shall arise costly disputes among the brotherly folks of ilkoyar and bigfeet, memorandum of understanding must be agreed upon, to the effect that, in this game of kuqabso ku qadimeyside gone amok, whichever of the two parties first claims another Skinny clan as his own, should, without objection from the other, henceforth be recognized as such; finders keepers sort of a deal.

[mmohamed12]

So this is not to offend, but my theory, as has been explained before, is;

1. Biciidyahan (MJ)
2. Maqaabul (OG)
3. Reer Ayaanle (HG)
4. Toljecle (IQ)

are offshoots of Marehan from the last big offensive/defensive reconfigurations that ended or concluded the long civil war that started with the murder/death of Boqor Mohamed Da'ud Abadir.

1. This ending resulted in the defeat of the original Harari leadership that had retreated from Harar to Aussa.

• The Afar, with the Ali Da'aud dynasty in Harar, took over Aussa to make it an Afar Sultanate from then on and in the east the retreating Marehan of Emir Nur Dynasty who had by then lost Aussa after Harar, engaged in the battle that ended the war among themselves since the death of Boqor Mohamed Da'ud.
  
  The different alliances reconfigured and some splintered off to create the bases of Bicidyahan, Maqaabul, Ayaanle, and Toljecle.
  
  They made new Xeers that made bigger Xeers (i. r. Became "reero" that became "qabiilo").

2. In the beginning of the war that started everything was the death/murder of Boqor Mohamed Da'ud that saw the Marehan retreat from Harar to Aussa to begin with.

• This is when the Marehan of the Emir Nur Dynasty had moved the administration of Adal to Aussa to begin with and Ali Da'uud Dynasty of Harar City started (which ended with Menelik's capture of Harar).
  
  In that original start of the long civil war which began inside the Marehan of Harar with members of the Marehan sub-clan of Hawlraarsame accused of the assassination of Boqor Mohamed Da'uud, earlier sets of reconfigurations took place that resulted in splintering to make new Xeer as well with other disjointed groups.
  
  Some groups that I suspect formed from this are Habar Awal, the Jiidle/Baadicadde, Amaanle of the NE, and Jidwaaq.

These are the originally splintered groups from Marehan just "hanging" around in limbo/periphery with their new made Xeer units that would be who the final splinters from Marehan in the conclusion of the Marehan civil war would join with to make some new big Xeer groups (qolo) today.

.

1. Beginning of the civil war: the death of Boqor Mohamed Da'ud
   • Emir Nur Marehan Dynasty moves Adal to Aussa, Ali Daud Dynasty takes over Harar
     • Offshoots from Marehan make Habar Awal, the Jiidle/Baadicadde, Amaanle of the NE, and Jidwaaq.
2. Conlusion of the civil war, Hussein Yusuf Matan end battle of succession within Marehan
   • Afar Tribesman + Ali Daud Dynasty in Harar seize Aussa and end Adal, Emir Nur Marehan Dynasty retreats East to Hawd/Somali plains
     • Offshoots from Marehan make bases of Bicidyahan, Maqaabul, Ayaanle, and Toljecle.
3. Groups A and B reconfigure in myriad of ways to make new Xeer groups ( Somali clans).

What I am saying sounds radical and surprising, but what makes it sound radical and surprising is just hoe understudied and unscientifically critqued Somali clan formation is.

Of course the above is a theory, but I can assure you it's scientifically based hypothesis and not on subjective oral guesswork.

same nigga that try to say we mate Hans are of Eritrean orgin now your saying some sub clans of darood,Isaac,and sir are actually marehan what’s next that marehan are descended from Aksumite emperors bro let it go your theories are just fantasy’s no evidence backing them up

[Gubbet]

Seed-

The reason you think that was a legitimate response is due to to your ignorance (and I am not being insulting) about "epistemology."

Do you understand what epistemology is and why I highlight this in a response to your question?

Once you understand what "epistemology" is, you will realize why your question is generally legitimate for being asked but the form of the question is not only inappropriate but really irrelevant.

If you still cannot understand what this means, it signals that you do not still comprehend epistemology and I shall explain it to you and show how it regards the form of your question irrelevant.

[Gubbet]

"ma niggah googoo gaagah"

Don't you think your obsession is a little sick by now for a " Real Somali." <:3

[mmohamed12]

voltage

The only connection marehan a have with Somalis other than darood is being In the same country as them marehan and some daroods are not native to Somalia we migrated from habesha lands we only came I the peninsular in the 18th century

[Gubbet]

Ok brother look. No one has a gun to your head and is forcing you to read or care about what some individual on the net writes about what.

You know what I do in that circumstance?

I keep it pushing.

[Seedyare]

Voltage

You are the ignorant block here always karbashed in every other thread .

My point is very clear ,The clans you mentioned are not part of ilkayar .Ironically ,Hawiye consider Warwaajecle to be Cayr offshoot as depicted in their websites such as Karanlandia

According to hawiye geneologists Cayr consist of three major sections


Wace Yabadhaale Cayr
Warwaajecele Yabadhaale Cayr
Mucli Tolwayne Cayr

Warwaajecle Yabadhaale Cayr consist of

*Celi
•Habar yaaqub
•Habar Ciise
•Ree Cisman
•Soonfure
•Celi Dheere
•Ree Axmad Wayd
•Ree Siyaad Xuseen
•Celi Xuseen
•Yabar Xuseen
•Khalaf Xuseen
•Ree Garaad

Mucli Tolwayne Cayr is the largest Cayr section

•Ree Ayaanle
•Habar Aji
•Ree Cabsiiye
•Ree Caalin
•Xasan Samadoor
•Ree Babaanshe
•Ree Suubiye
•Sabuux
•Bilaal
•Dhaloow
•Dangub
•Madaxdiir

[Gubbet]

Karbashed here ku lahaa.

Listen, I am not here for illiterate conduct. What you consider argumentation is completely irrelevant to debate.

Your vantage point is "here" including who can best be a 9 year old kid in dishing pointless foul mouthed absurdities devoid of any originality mind you.

Again, EPISTEMOLOGY.

1. If a Canadian Inuit comes to a debate and says "we have a place in this discussion and Sade came from us"---by the very nature of having "made" a "claim" that does not make the claim "legitimate" EVEN as "part" of the discourse.

It means you are still as irrelevant to the discourse as talking about "Coca Cola."

2. Is the Inuit geographically from the area i.e. Africa/East/Horn?

3. Is the Inuit critiqued historically i.e. is there any CORROBORATION of historical relavance to subject matter?

Etc etc etc.

When we are talking about something of this nature, that is what "EPISTEMOLOGY" means

1. Do you even exist in the Futuh?

2. If you don't, then more than likely it means the clans mentioned pre-date the clans that are not mentioned.

3. Is there any succeeding historical identification or place setting or even CORROBORATED RELEVANCE that shows your identity formation is even applicable to questions about the identity formation of a group bullet #1 establishes happened before your group?

Etc etc twc

For goodnessake, out of the dozens and dozens of historical accounts---not even using the Futuh---not even using something like Richard Burton who showed Marehan had still not finished the move from Harar when he identified Marehan living with Geri and Bartire in Harar in the 1870's;

Nót even using the dozens and dozens of long historical mapping---I will just use ONE MAP from the early 1800's to make a point;


http://digitool.is.cuni.cz/R/-?func=dbi ... rary=GEN01

This is called "EPISTEMOLOGY."

It is called establishing "relevance" to the discourse.

Now I know your little ridiculous stunt was an attempt to bait me to "insult" Cayr or engage in the ridiculous spitfest one misidentifies as "argumentation," so kindly note what I wrote above goes for your clan and almost the overwhelming majority of Somalis in this issue.

This is my focus---the reality.

Not the random irrelevant spewing of kindergarten level cyber clan fadhi ku dirir.

Now I was more sharp than I actually feel towards you or this issue, but really Seed I want to get through to your head for the first time since your strategy is never progressing with regards to how you engage me.

[Seedyare]

There is nothing relevant in whatever you share in Somnet.You were always an easy target of Bendover ,Sahal etc .

Like I have said it before ,I acknowledge your good command of English but beyond that you have little grasp of any topic .You always sound pathetic and gibberish playing around with words as if English alone will help you achieve anything substantial in your debates .

Besides your meaningless vocabulary stunt,everyone can see you have little content to share in this thread .

You claimed and made a stupid assumption that Maqaablu and Ree Biciidyahan being marehan offshoots . And you hardly have an evidence or any hint to back up your ilkayr way of reasoning.

Is it because of their geographical proximity in Doollo you have such a doubt that MK and RB are ilkayar ? .If that is the case ,I would like to remind you several Daarod clans lived side by side in Doollo for centuries and the numerical superiority of clans changed overtime due to perpertual bloody wars . Do you know Ogaden predominantly lived in JARAR ,QORAXAY , DOH, DOOLLO as their original home turf before they expanded westwards?.Here is the evidence for that .

Ceel Amuudaan in Doollo(named after the founding father of Maqaabul )

Haraale in Doollo (named after Haraale Afgaab .Cawlyahan lived in Doollo before they crossed river Shabeelle in 1850s )

Caabudwaaq in Galguduud (Original habitat of Caabudwaaq Clan .They moved to Koonfur in 1750s)

Ceel Ogaadeen —In qoraxay

Qabri Jeeraar—in Qoraxay



I’m trying to say ,Ogaden always lived in Doollo and Ceelgaab .The historic places named after clan founders is the evidence .Maybe at one point in history ,Marehan were the most powerful and the dominant clan in DOH and DOOLLO but that again doesnt indicate Marehan dwindled over the centuries mainly due to the splinter of some major tribes such BICIIDYAHAN and MAQAABUL . The fact on ground is those clans (OG,MJ,MR) lived together in in Doollo and Ceelgaab as seperate rival clans .

The abtirsi of these clans indicate very clearly they have nothing to do with Marehan.

Ibraahin Jibraaiil is the largest cluster of Majeerteen clans and ree Biciidyahan is one of them.

Cali Ibraahim (Ree Biciidyahan)
Maxamud Ibraahim (Ree Maxamud )
Maxamud Saleeban Maxamad Ibraahin
Cabdirixiin Ibraahim (Morgan’s clan)

Maqaabul is one of two major clans of OG

Amuudaan Barwaaq (Maqaabul)
Yuusuf Kaanti Barwaaq (Mirwalaal)



LAST POINT, in Futuh Habesha many clans took active role in the Jihad and by doing so ,they paid a heavy price interms of casualties .Today many clans are either extinct or langaab due to the Futuh wars .These include Harla,Geri ,Yabare ,Marehan ,etc

After the end of Adal wars , many young clans emerged powerful and dominant between 1600s to 1850s .Birth era of Some major clans (1680s-1730s ) and they include :

OG sub clans

Ree Warfaa
Maalinguur
Jeeraar iyo Caraale
Ugaas Kooshin
Doolaal Jiciir
Guuleed Allamagan
Ree Warsame
Geedi Yuusuf
Ree Geeldoon
Ree Gadiid

Marehan sub clans

Faarax Ugaas
Ree Shiikh
Ree Qanbi
Dhuxul
Ree Xuseen

MJ sub clans

Ree Cigale
Maxamud Yusuf
Idiris Ugaadh
Ree Gaaleri

Dhuloz sub clans

Nuur iyo Naaleeye
Faarax Hagar
Cali Shirwac
Guleed Caligeri


Xirsi Cismaan (Iiidoor)
Dhamal Aadan (Iidor)
Nuux Ismaaciil (Iidoor)
Faarax Biciide (Iidoor)

The birth of these major sub clans in 1670-1750s and their subsequent growth in numbers MARKED THE END OF ADAL ERA AND THE DAWN OF A NEW ERA .

NEW SUPERPOWER CLANS EMERGED AND THESE INCLUDE ;

Dhuloz in Hawd and Nugaal

MJ in the vast lands of Bari ,Nugaal and parts of Mudug

Ogaden rose to prominence in 1750s when they defeated JIDWAAQS,MAREHAN ,DIR etc. Between 1750-1880s ,Ogaden consolidated more lands than any other tribe .

IIDOOR under the leadership of young clan founders doimanted clans like Gurgure ,Magaadle, Gadabursi .They even challenged the dominant neighboring forces of Ogaden and Dhuloz .Some of these men who bettered the Iidor clan situation included

Cabdi Ciise ,Sugulle Caynaashe ,Xareed Barre ,Muuse Yuusuf.Axmad Nuux ,Biniin Axmad etc.—All these clans emerged in 1700s


Marehan is the only clan from the Adal powers that found their feet back in the post Adal era .Ugaas Guleed (1650-1730) ousted Ree Garaad Hiraabe from the MR leadership .It was a bloody transfer of power which lead to the demolition of Ree Garaad in Mudug .The battle field is today known as Lafa Garaad . Today Marehan are not as big and powerful as OG ,HARTI or IIDOOR but they are way larger than Jidwaaq and Geri -two other powerhouse clans in Adal .

Simply put, Adal powerhouse clans receded in clan power status in post Adal era leading to the rise of fresh and young clan superpowers such as OG and IIDOOR .