Cakishe Are They A Somalian Or Ethiopian Tribe?

[Murax]

I hear there are a lot of 100% Somali speaking, resembling people in Ethiopia who are thought to be 100% Somali. When battles happen between Somali and Oromo however, they break out the Oromo card and do Dabar Jebin. Are Cakishe one of them?

[Gubbet]

Akiisho, Jaarso, Noole, and Gurgura are a northern Garre.

Poly-ethnic being at once participants of the Gada of Oromo/Afran Qallo moiety while paying mag/diya with the Somali/Dir clan

BiLingual speaking both Oromiffa and Somali

Bicultural and even binational between Ethiopian and Somalia cultures

Akiisho in particular have a historical close cultural relationship with Somali/Isaaq/Sacad Muuse and live as north as Berbera even.

I have met a couple Akiisha and I found them to be thoroughly Somali, but that anecdotal evidence isn't much when I understand just how diverse their views came be according to a lot of research.

[Murax]

Gubbet,

Tracking. So in Oromo/Somali conflicts which have been raging who do they usually identify with?

[Gubbet]

Btw participating in the Gada of an Oromo moiety and paying mag/diyya with a Somali group are exactly how both groups Oromo and Somali, respectively, consider "membership" of one of their clans

Doing both means you are poly-ethnic and apparently belong to two different ethnic groups at the same time.

[Khalid Ali]

Lies lies again from voltage.
Akiche are dir and have nothing to do with garre
And they don't live in berbera
They live in Gabiley and wajaale with in small numbers they also can be found in diri dhabe

[Gubbet]

Gubbet,

Tracking. So in Oromo/Somali conflicts which have been raging who do they usually identify with?

I cannot speak that wallahi.


Ironically, Karanle who is their opposite (considered bonafide Somali clan by Somalis but chose to be part of "Oromo State" instead of 5th Kilil Somali Region) federated with the Oromo/Rayittu has been mauled apart by Oromo backlash.

[Gubbet]

Lies lies again from voltage.
Akiche are dir and have nothing to do with garre
And they don't live in berbera
They live in Gabiley and wajaale with in small numbers they also can be found in diri dhabe

Are you serious Khalid?

Akiisho is "Dir" and that's "it."

Thay Akiisho is not a Constituent member of AFRAN QALLO?

This is like whether Santa Claus is real or not sort of discussion.

Dir in Hararge also includes Warday and Warra Dayyo are 100% historically recorded Oromo clan.

Finally, I said Akiisho pay mag with Dir so of course thaf means I said Akiisho are ALSO Dir---because they pay mag.

Lastly, I never said they are "Garre" who are a different group obviously.

I compared them to Garre who is similarly exactly with the same attributes (poly ethnic/bilingual).

P. S. I said they reach Berbera which they do as corroborated by IM Lewis. If they have a close historical and cultural relationship with Sacad Muuse and you yourself said they are even found in Gebilay---what's the difference between a Gebilay amd Berbera.

And just to conclude, I really don't like the forming tension in the conversation because that is not what was part of any reason for my response to this topic.

I literally just tried to answer a question that I believe I have the facts to answer.

That's it sxb. Put down your spear.

[samatar133]

Somalind clans of akisho are Waro Kiyo, waro Miyo, Waro ito, Waro igo etc. They are 100 percent Somali and have Zero relationship with any ethnicity other than Somali. They are small and live with Sacad Muse— Jibril abokor and Husein Abokor.

There are other clans that live on the borders between Somali and Oromo, Clans like Waro Sayo etc, they are bilingual though they still identify with Somali.

[Gubbet]

I interejected the possible formation of tension with Khalid by engaging in conflict diffusion because of precisely this reason.

Sxb, identity is a very personal thing and it can be even even more sensitive if there is dual or hybrid or multiple identity concepts relevant to a particular discourse---which is obviously the case since we are even talking about it.

I want to quickly say two things before quickly responding to Akiisho.

1. Every single human being alive today has an identity which went through infinite number of metamorphosis before he got. For example, if today I am "Marehan" of "Darod" of "Somalis"----forget evem the number of metamorphosis the identity of "Marehan" took to be what it is understood today---but there was a point before Marehan "existed" as an identity. Similarly Darod and absolutely similarly "Somali." What formed "Somali" was itself, right before it developed an evolved identity----, something that was cast off, separated, estranged to the identity it was part of previously. The entire basis of " Somali" was itself not completed in one swoop----it is still expanding and the only thing someone who became Somali first has on even those yet to join is we are of a heritage where our ancestors were just earlier displaced from the identity they left behind.

2. The second thing is just like the Germans are the enthnic basis or the "mother ship" of the wider Germanic speaking northern Europeans from London to Stockholm---I have come to completely support the natural proposition that the Oromoid Nation is the mothership of the wider Lowland East Cushitic speaking cultural group of which the Somali nation is part of. Since the Somaloid cultural group first started branching off from the wider Oromoid cultural group, Somali and Oromo have been sending and receiving in a sense natural trading new inducties. It will exist even tomorrow as it existed from the first time were even identifiable two different cultural groups.

Quickly

1. Akiisho are listed in Bahrey's document of Oromo clans. Bahrey the Ethiopian monk is the first written reference to Oromo in history. It is about 500 years old. I mean Somali doesn't even enjoy a reference that old with such a definitive account of ethnic composition. Virtually the same Oromo tribal groups as they exist today, including Afran Qallo and Akiisho, are referenced very clearly by Bahrey who wrote this as the Oromo had just invaded Bali from the south and were starting their famous conquest of Ethiopia's heartland. While Akiisho as I said are also Dir/Somali today paying mag, their membership of Oromo giving fealty to the Afran Qallo Gadda is not in doubt.

2. The names you mentioned of their group organization is also a cultural artifact of what you disavowed. Júst as Rer, Habar, Bah atc are the nomenclature of Somali developed group organization----"Warra" is the nomenclature of Oromo evolved organization. In fact, Warra is the overwhelming majority with Leqe a distant second. Warra is the group that formed from settlement/more agriculture based meaning settlement/village and Leqe meaning open field is the Oromo group that formed from more agro-pastoralism/pastoralism.

[Gubbet]

Abby Bahriy from 500 years ago



For example Merewa is today Warra Dayyo/Sayyu (Warday), Raittu etc---Werentisha is Arussi/Arsi, etc of Jawar Mohammed, Ittu is Anniyaa,etc, Kerreyu is Tulama-Macaa of Abiy Ahmed

[DaahirMursal]

Not too sure. Are they, perhaps, Bilingual-Identity Somalis?