Siyad Bare was Mx and Farmajo is Mx

[gobdoon]

By the way I was in London in 91 and before and knew how bad that system was and destroyed the nation slowly and slowly and did not want to leave or find amicable solutions, and now Farmajo is doing exactly the same thing now I don't want generalise nor stigmatise a whole Qabiil but would We ever see another MX leadership
Macangag nimo iyo xukun ku dheg abaheed

[Nolol cusub]

By the way I was in London in 91 and before and knew how bad that system was and destroyed the nation slowly and slowly and did not want to leave or find amicable solutions, and now Farmajo is doing exactly the same thing now I don't want generalise nor stigmatise a whole Qabiil but would We ever see another MX leadership
Macangag nimo iyo xukun ku dheg abaheed

It is rarely a coincidence. Barre overthrew a democratically elected government. His nephew bought the presidency with Qatari money then steers the system to an autocratic clientele system using international donations and local tax collection.

A little known fact, They were the first Somali group to create their own clan party around the same time Somalis created SYL. I believe it was called Sade Party. Real selfish.

Remember this. The biggest issue with this group is they gamble with everything on the line. No logic, no consequences. Here an example:

1. Both the Soviets and Americans tell Barre not to invade Ethiopia. He does it anyway. Somalia never recovers from that blunder.

2. In 1990, when Hawiye sub clans rose up in Mogadishu, he turns an upraising against dictatorship into Hawiye vs. Darod conflict, thus selfishly expanding the stakes. Millions of people were dislocated, harmed as result.

3. In 1992 he attacked 2000 Marehan clansmen on city of 2 million armed Hawiyes. Dagaalka Xadka iyo Xawaaraha.

4. The nephew clown cancels elections and anoints himself as a dictator in a city of 3 million Hawiyes that hates his guts.

5. Again, The west, African Union, the UN, other somali states tell him he can't cancel elections and extend his term and he does it anyway. Gambling like Barre all over again.

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[Nomand]

is this not you when your uncle abdulahi yusuf was in power in 2008

advocating for the Ethiopians to kill hawiye

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... r+neighbor

[mahoka]

Why you blaming the boons only, this is a darod problem.

Dhabacyo leader abdulahi Yusuf literally brought xabashi tanks to Mogadishu to kill Somalis.

Darod are a fifth column and Somalis won’t move forward until this problem is taken care of

[Gubbet]

A little known fact, They were the first Somali group to create their own clan party around the same time Somalis created SYL. I believe it was called Sade Party. Real selfish.

This is factually incorrect and offensive.

Probably the single most underestimated or least understood aspect about Marehan is ironically the single most underestimated or ignored aspect about the Somali people and culture since the development of a State and focus on developed world concept of State economy----namely livestock.

Somalia doesn't produce or manufacture; there is only really something resembling a service industry providing communication and remittance process. Those entities are themselves are very saturated and ad hoc, even Dahabshiil, for example, barely generates enough revenue for profit after expenses are subtracted.

Somali wealth, then and as the same today, is livestock---this is the hard currency form of measuring assets and equity in Somalia.

And Marehan are rich in livestock. Actually, it would not be an understatement to say looking at historical + modern UNDP estimated that Marehan, per capita relative to other Somali sub-clans, are actually even "fabulously" wealthy in livestock, particularly camels. I mean Gedo has more camels than entire territory of Somaliland in the last major UN est.

I mean no one even asks "how" Marehan financed the huge Galti migration in the early 20th century. You don't do something like that in the entire earth without huge financing however your culture understands.

The point I am making is, Marehan of Lugh Ferrandi District (which is about 60-70% of Gedo Region today) made the Marehan Union Party or Unione Merehan---because of livestock interests.

The Italians---eho were brought back under UN Trusteeship to "prepare" Somalia for independence---declared that Marehan control of the livestock industry in the Jubba Valley was an "extreme monopoly."

They wanted to break it up and the election came on the heels of this huge issue between Marehan and the Trusteeship.

HDM was the political opposition---but it became a crisis after the SYL Party failed to declare a position on the issue.

Marehan was SYL constituency so obviously they were not going to declare in favor of the proposition---but they didn't declare against it for fear of losing votes among other clans in the region.

Because Marehan was already counted SYL and because they had no other options (irony of the SYL monopoly as a single party for all Samaale and HDM for all DM), the SYL took the Marehan for granted when they made the political position.

So the Marehan of Lugh-Ferrandi said "ok, Mr. Double Speak---we will see about that."

They took the extraordinary step of its time to declare a Marehan Union Party and face against BOTH SYL AND HDM.

And the Marehan Union party won which was followed by the Italians dropping the heavy handed proposition---of politically interfering in the natural Somali based free market livestock business in southern Somalia.

Which was followed by Marehan of Lugh-Ferrandi dissolving Unione Merehan and going back to caucus with SYL.

[Nolol cusub]

A little known fact, They were the first Somali group to create their own clan party around the same time Somalis created SYL. I believe it was called Sade Party. Real selfish.

This is factually incorrect and offensive.



They took the extraordinary step of its time to declare a Marehan Union Party and face against BOTH SYL AND HDM.

I appreciate your intellectual honesty. I noted that a party from your group(unsure of its name) competed against SYL which is true as you noted above. You explained in detail the reasons behind its creation. Nevertheless since SYL was fighting for Somali independence most people would find abhorrent to compete against a party fighting for the dignity of all Somalis. That's what I meant being selfish.


Guess when SYL ceased to exist?

1969. Barre disbanded the party that brought Somalia's glory.


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[FarhanYare]

is this not you when your uncle abdulahi yusuf was in power in 2008

advocating for the Ethiopians to kill hawiye

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... r+neighbor

gobdoon u should not talk if u r related to c/yusuf. Dhabayaco don't come 4 me.

[TarTar]

budhcadland hypocrisy

[Gubbet]

A little known fact, They were the first Somali group to create their own clan party around the same time Somalis created SYL. I believe it was called Sade Party. Real selfish.

This is factually incorrect and offensive.



They took the extraordinary step of its time to declare a Marehan Union Party and face against BOTH SYL AND HDM.

I appreciate your intellectual honesty. I noted that a party from your group(unsure of its name) competed against SYL which is true as you noted above. You explained in detail the reasons behind its creation. Nevertheless since SYL was fighting for Somali independence most people would find abhorrent to compete against a party fighting for the dignity of all Somalis. That's what I meant being selfish.


Guess when SYL ceased to exist?

1969. Barre disbanded the party that brought Somalia's glory.


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SYL in the 1956 Elections was not fighting for Somalia's Independence.

No one was.

It had already been declared, affirmed, and accepted by everyone involved and the whole world as a matter of fact.

The very nature of the defeated Italians in WWII coming back to administer their former colony was predicated on their agreement and acceptance of the declaration of Somali independence.

I am afraid if you are under the impression July 1st, 1960 is when Somalia's independence was declared----you would be incorrect.

That's when the declaration became "effective."

Somalia's Independence was declared 10 years earlier----by the United Nations General Assembly Resolution 289 of 21 November 1949.

That is the actual date at which the independence of the former Italian colony of Somalia was officially declared.

"Effective" exactly 10 years after the declaration.

It is also when the "British Military Administered" territory of former Italian Somaliland---since 1942---officially changed to the UN Trust Territory of Somaliland under Italian Administration.

The Italians weren't masters over the house in 1956 you see---they were employees in the house who had already signed the employment contract which contained the declaration and provision of Somalia's independence.

This is why you are factually wrong which has caused you to make assumptions that are offensive as I said.

[GacankaCadmeed]

By the way I was in London in 91 and before and knew how bad that system was and destroyed the nation slowly and slowly and did not want to leave or find amicable solutions, and now Farmajo is doing exactly the same thing now I don't want generalise nor stigmatise a whole Qabiil but would We ever see another MX leadership
Macangag nimo iyo xukun ku dheg abaheed

The only reason Marehan's were targeted in 1991 was because they were put in top positions in the Government and other clans were left at the bottom.

[DaahirMursal]

What's with the sudden discoveries?

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Say what you want about Mohamed Siad Barre. But he didn’t kill using the xoog of foreigners to score a point nor project his power through the support of adversarial powers but his own nation. He was Somali enough to use other Somalis if he couldn’t use Marehans to kill. Cant say the same for A/Y, your “strongman” who had xiniyo for other Daroods not shisheeye.

[Khalid Ali]

Say what you want about Mohamed Siad Barre. But he didn’t kill using the xoog of foreigners to score a point nor project his power through the support of adversarial powers but his own nation. He was Somali enough to use other Somalis if he couldn’t use Marehans to kill. Cant say the same for A/Y, your “strongman” who had xiniyo for other Daroods not shisheeye.

Fat sadam u will never rule kismayo. I can assure you that. And afweyne is dead. And soon farmaajo will be gone and u will be homeless again

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Say what you want about Mohamed Siad Barre. But he didn’t kill using the xoog of foreigners to score a point nor project his power through the support of adversarial powers but his own nation. He was Somali enough to use other Somalis if he couldn’t use Marehans to kill. Cant say the same for A/Y, your “strongman” who had xiniyo for other Daroods not shisheeye.

Fat sadam u will never rule kismayo. I can assure you that. And afweyne is dead. And soon farmaajo will be gone and u will be homeless again

MAREEXAAN MARKII LOO YAABO, ALLAH U YASIRO



Jaale you underestimate us greatly and that’s why you all of losers who have cuqdad did everything to stop us the last 30 years even sell the country to stop us. Understand you can’t marginalize the LIONS, it’ll fail every time, that’s what Voltage showed in one example. Now you can’t fool the people, they see with their own eyes in 4K. Lions don’t care about the opinions of sheep. Kismaayo isn’t your business. That’s between family as much I despise them currently. Do you see me claim Hargeisa or that business. Caadi iska dhig sxb. I don’t have time to deal with your nacnac. I fight countries not jiffos. We aren’t in the same league.

[MrSinister]

Siad Barre for all his negatives had leadership qualities. Other than being the same clan, the two have nothing in common. Farmajo is a weak, indecisive leader and a puppet with speech impediment. Majority of Somali’s are opposed to him not because of clan but because of his disregard for the constitution an anti federalism agenda.