Sàve this as bookmark & when Farmajo wins election; don't feign surprise, look back at this bookmark

[Gubbet]

YOU IN THE FUTURE:

• So Farmaajo won huh? Don't even act surprised or that you don't understand how he did it.
  
  Yes you do, I told you exactly how and why remember?

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YOU TODAY

• I will tell you a little secret about why the US has secretly been helping Farmaajo all along.
  
  When the process of Debt Relief began, it was the international financial system making the decision to "accept" Somalia as a "liability."
  
  If you think they are going to entrust that liability to thieves, crooks, and transitional class fools---you are blind as a bat.
  
  There is not a single competitor currently present in Somalia's political landscape that gives the international financial system any confidence that is over or beyond the assurance they already have about Farmaajo's administration.
  
  There is no one replacing Farmaajo at least until another term is over.
  
  You can take this to the bank and if it was a stock you would be a millionaire---but just book mark it and when the "election" outcome is clear after all this just open this bookmark and you will have your answer for the outcome.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Shut up bro. Let this play out lmao.

[SultanOrder]

You’re delusional. Things don’t look good for Farmaajo and he has over played his hands. It will be a miracle if he survived until elections.

[Murax]

Gubbet,

I think Farmaajo went from a slam dunk favorite to right now who knows. Somalis are Bi-Polar, and fudeed. Watch 1 month from now it wouldn’t surprise me if people are singing Guulwade Farmaajo again.


Domestically I think Farmaajo still has the advantage when you factor in majority of the States, eergooyin, etc however he is not the candidate supported by the West EU, US. You keep mentioning this clandestine support of the US for Farmaajo, and while I don’t think it’s impossible I just don’t know how you are so certain of that when everything they have said, done is the opposite.

[SultanOrder]

Murax, let’s not drink the koolaid and think every move that Farmaajo has made is part of a well orchestrated strategy and everything is going according to plan.

This is the biggest crisis SFG has undergone and SFG is broke, unpopular, and under a lot of pressure. The IC, Qatar, Guudlaawe, Qoorqoor, etc, see Farmaajo as expendable. He is not some great hero they were looking for because Somalia is not some important country, it is a project. Gubbet sounds like a Trump supporter after he lost the election believing Trump has Biden and co just where he wants him. Shit is over for him, no way he is coming back.

[grandpakhalif]

Farmaajo has exhausted his political expediency and is surrounded by renegade soldiers who refuse to take orders from their supposed commander in chief. He should just resign in my opinion and leave the rest to Rooble. The moment he showed weakness is when he failed to deal Shiirkoole mutiny. You cannot blink and continue to watch as your territory continues to shrink with no consequences the opposition smelt blood and It was a domino effect thereafter he alone and isolated in a sea of angry piranhas.




Government = monopolizing the threat of violence and he has lost that

[Murax]

Murax, let’s not drink the koolaid and think every move that Farmaajo has made is part of a well orchestrated strategy and everything is going according to plan.

This is the biggest crisis SFG has undergone and SFG is broke, unpopular, and under a lot of pressure. The IC, Qatar, Guudlaawe, Qoorqoor, etc, see Farmaajo as expendable. He is not some great hero they were looking for because Somalia is not some important country, it is a project. Gubbet sounds like a Trump supporter after he lost the election believing Trump has Biden and co just where he wants him. Shit is over for him, no way he is coming back.

SultanOrder,

A lot of things you can’t judge until time passes. Don’t get me wrong I agree currently I don’t see how the extension was not a disastrous move. That said I can see a scenario where the parliament cancels the extension Saturday, Afisioone is returned to, September 17 is hastily signed, and elections happen. If Farmaajo wins can you say the extension was not a ‘brilliant strategy’? Again I’m not betting on that, but it is a possibility I can’t dismiss. Also to be fair the same gloom, and doom forecasts for Farmaajo, could similarly be made for Culusow, Shariif, Cabdishakur, etc. You can make a viable case they have at least as much, if not more of a uphill battle than Farmaajo.


Where I vehemently disagree with brother Gubbet is his 100% conviction that the US supports Farmaajo fiercely. I’d love to believe that, find it fascinating, as the US helped even the most unpopular, autocratic regimes stay in power, let alone Farmaajo who actually enjoys some popularity, albeit less now. I would just like him to explain it to me in a way that is real, and tangible, not grasping at straws.

[Gubbet]

Farmaajo is a Somali President.

He is not a Marehan chieftain.

I don't even think I had y'all in mind as audience when I made this topic.

[Gubbet]

Murax-

I am not surprised that you say you don't see this---I already explained why that is the case.

It is exactly why Perfect Order doesn't see it either, although as usual it doesn't take much for him to play into the worst/or oppositional case scenario if he doesn't "see" or "understand" something.

You and PO are a lot alike in what you see because you use the same tools/methodology to "see."

Here;

Voltage,

I wouldn’t be daacad if I blast Sahal for his silly arguments that don’t make sense, and leave you alone because we’re Tol. Don’t get me wrong as a proud N&N Guulwade I love the whole ‘This chess not checkers’ narrative, however I don’t know that this is one of those. You say Saadiq John is ‘100% N&N’ how is that even possible if he called for going back to Xalane, and was fired right after? Maybe he got promised something on the other side, UAE paid him, who knows but to say he is 100% N&N now, and this is all a stunt is a little crazy.

Don’t get me wrong, I think the Gov will assert their dominance ultimately, but on this particular situation you speak of that this was orchestrated by N&N I don’t see that.

So this is why I think you are wrong about your categorization.

1. So, you and PO "respond" to the news. That is actually the appropriate thing and actually even the rational thing---for anyone not part of the story or covering the story. I am in no part of storg or covering but I am not a "responder."
2. Others "take" the story and influence its dessimenation which is quite rational for someone projecting or projecting a narrative---they are invested emotionally in the "message." I am thinking Saddam and Kees. Abkoow is part of thks and part of group C.
3. Some others, like a person mentioned hy one of the posts, "react" to the news or as they claim are "pundits/analysts." Now the difference between responding and reacting to the news is whether you are interested in the outcome vs the process of news telling. The person who "reacts" to the news is too busy with the never ending process of "newstelling' to be interestrd in the outcome or what the news is saying. That's "last week" to them. That's why these types are never" wrong" and they really are not evem lying when they say that aren't because they " believe" it even though the reality is the opposite. Unlike the influencers, these people aren't invested in the message, they are interested in the reaction the news creates chiefly in themselves. "What message? Wasn't that MY message from [from just yesterday]".

I am not any of those.

I am a critic.

If you notice, I hardly "tell" the news or even respond frequently to it.

It is not the day to day thing for me to be concerned about what is "new today."

Rather I take that day and I set it aside watching for observable, successive, sometimes tricky and sometimes tricky patterns which I then take altogether to question AGAINST my own rationality for having noticed it.

Then I take an entire batch of these paterns and I tell a story.

This story is sometimes in the past, I am starting going back from the epilogue.

Sometimes it is going on right now and I am reading the book ffrom the middle and looking back even as I go forward.

Other times, the story hasn't come into existence and I am reading the trajectory it will take from the prologue.

Those stories in the 3rd category I will sometimes bring forth if there is an addition to the trajectory---sometimes like this story, IT IS STILL before it has comr into existence and mayhaps even be denied a reading as is possible in this case---for if what my story is saying is predictive, then Saadaq John in this case doing it as part of their plan will not be confirmed for sometime even for a long time.

That tells you I am invested in meaning even when may never be confirmed and does nothing to effect how how I react or respond to it.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Murax,

He’s right. Watch next week that’s why I told him to shut up lmao. All of your questions will be answered.

[nine]

Farmaajo is a Somali President.

He is not a Marehan chieftain.

I don't even think I had y'all in mind as audience when I made this topic.

Bang the naive wadani drums all you want but MM and Roble showed Farmajo he is marti. He has tread carefully.

[nine]

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[Murax]

Farmaajo is a Somali President.

He is not a Marehan chieftain.

I don't even think I had y'all in mind as audience when I made this topic.

never judged your intentions, this isn’t even a who do you support, and why discussion, but more of a prediction based on current events discussion. Last but not least bro you don’t have to put as a disclaimer that you are removing Marehan stuff from the equation, because you have every right to support Farmaajo if you see fit. Anybody who says it’s because he’s Marehan were going to say that anyway!

Until pigs fly, and people make a compelling case that supporting Culusow, Shariif, Cabdishakur is in line with Somali Nationalism, it is your right to support Farmaajo without explaining anything to anybody.

[Gubbet]

You can't "see" it becausse it is not so something you can "respond" to. This is the aspect of history that is never playing out in the public stortline. To even briefly identify its faint trail, you have to be consciously aware of existing NUANCE to sometimes even between the lines .

Why is the term salient point so important in professional tecnical writing?

Bryden will write 1 page as UN Weapons Inspector or something and you and PO will "see" the paper based on what you can respond to.

All the while, the paper is actually not even talking about the individual identified with the physical or material instrument but is being used to facilitate a consequential action meant for a deliberation concerning say Eritrea not even identified in the paper directly.

It is not just something to just know.

You must be aware of a long pattern of related nuances that each individually may be nothing remarkable but in a pattern feeds a narrative.

[Murax]

Murax,

He’s right. Watch next week that’s why I told him to shut up lmao. All of your questions will be answered.

Inadeer I’m a diehard N&N supporter. I really believe in the N&N message, and as someone who has pride I love how they light fires under Somalis that have been put out ages ago. I guess what I’m saying is I WANT to believe you badly, and there is nothing more I’d love then if Farmaajo wins, bumping this thread, and saying me, and Sultan Order were complete idiots. For now to protect my own psyche, I can’t run with this 100% but I hope you’re right


Warya Sultan Order, when I met you at 24 mall I had no idea you were this doom, and gloom pessimist behind closed doors