is this true about somalis?
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is this true about somalis?
That the two major clans in somalia, isaq and darood are fathered by two arabs?
Re: is this true about somalis?
Why did you omit the other major clan?Like many Somalis, Hawiye members trace their paternal ancestry to Irir, the first son of Samaale. According to many documented sources and historians, the patriarch Samaale arrived in northern Somalia from Yemen during the 9th century and subsequently founded the eponymous Samaale clan. Two of the major clans the Hawiye and Dir trace descent from Irir the son of Samaale, who in turn traces his geneological traditions to Arabia of the Quraysh Banu Hashim lineage through Aqiil the son of Abu Talib ibn Abd al-Muttalib, who was the Uncle of the Prophet Muhammed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawiye#Overview
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Re: is this true about somalis?
So hawiye and dir are also from Arabs makes sense
Re: is this true about somalis?
Listen you half breed, don't ever compare the mighty and pure DIr and Hawiye to a bunch of breeds like Daroods and Issaqs. These kids who are changing wikipedia pages to insult Dir and Hawiye and their ancestors as some Arab sex raider are just bitter because they never claim full Somali.
Re: is this true about somalis?
Because Irir was never Arab. Bitter Darood kids keep chaining the origin of Irir in Wikipedia to make them seem as confused as Daroods and Issaqs.paperino wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 5:55 pmWhy did you omit the other major clan?Like many Somalis, Hawiye members trace their paternal ancestry to Irir, the first son of Samaale. According to many documented sources and historians, the patriarch Samaale arrived in northern Somalia from Yemen during the 9th century and subsequently founded the eponymous Samaale clan. Two of the major clans the Hawiye and Dir trace descent from Irir the son of Samaale, who in turn traces his geneological traditions to Arabia of the Quraysh Banu Hashim lineage through Aqiil the son of Abu Talib ibn Abd al-Muttalib, who was the Uncle of the Prophet Muhammed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawiye#Overview
Its really sad to see these filthy Daroods trying to change every page in Wikipedia to some Arab origin because they feel left out of Somalia's ancient history.
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Re: is this true about somalis?
So are you saying hawiye and dir actualy bantus
Re: is this true about somalis?
Many documented sources and historians, including Bughyat al-amaal fii taariikh as-Soomaal by the historian shariif Caydaruus confirm that.
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Re: is this true about somalis?
^ A point of clarification: The above mentioned arab historian used medieval Wikipedia as primary source.
Re: is this true about somalis?
^ The eminent historian shariif Caydaruus is Somali, and part of his researches were gathered/obtained from elders/leaders of the major clan that claims Quraysh Banu Hashim lineage through Aqiil the son of Abu Talib ibn Abd al-Muttalib.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharif_Aydurus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharif_Aydurus
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Re: is this true about somalis?
No, of course not. Both tribes, according to various genome test members of those tribes have taken, do not carry the j1 markers, which basically defines an Arab, or a person of MENA descent*. The Arab fore-fathers birthing Isaaq & Darod is almost entirely a myth fabricated centuries ago in order seek closeness to the Islam which its influence (at that time) was spreading at a relatively fast speed.
*This is excluding the Arab Salaxs, Mehris, some Warsangelis, etc. who've shown signs of J markers, either through assimilation to larger tribes, or with the late arrival to the Somali peninsula to strengthen ties with the local population via business and other accords.
*This is excluding the Arab Salaxs, Mehris, some Warsangelis, etc. who've shown signs of J markers, either through assimilation to larger tribes, or with the late arrival to the Somali peninsula to strengthen ties with the local population via business and other accords.
Re: is this true about somalis?
If you are a descendent of an Arabian sex raider, doesn't mean you have to lie and make up stories to tarnish the pure tribes of Dir and Hawiye.paperino wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 7:55 am ^ The eminent historian shariif Caydaruus is Somali, and part of his researches were gathered/obtained from elders/leaders of the major clan that claims Quraysh Banu Hashim lineage through Aqiil the son of Abu Talib ibn Abd al-Muttalib.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharif_Aydurus
Re: is this true about somalis?
It's hard to take a descendant of Arabian sex toursim, serious.
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Re: is this true about somalis?
This kush dude has been at it for nearly 20 yrs (as evidenced by how long his account has been on Snet) yet he seems to not find a single shred of evidence that exhaustively backs his claims that, Isaaq & Darod are (supposedly) the birth descendants of Arabian sex raiders, and are not native to Africa, let alone the HOA. 
If I hadn't seen anyone more masterful in his trolling skills....
Keep it up.


If I hadn't seen anyone more masterful in his trolling skills....

Keep it up.


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