I have never really been with strong views toward Puntland, because I've long identified delayed grief there.

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I have never really been with strong views toward Puntland, because I've long identified delayed grief there.

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Must be the the first topic I started about Pland in years.

I thought my response to JuelZ deserved it's own topic. It is a rarely addressed subject.
juelz wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 12:24 pm I am not anti-marexaan they are my reer abti, I just state the facts. Puntland and MJ are stronger than ever out game plan is to get PM position and let hawiye take the presidency and run for the presidency next cycle. Farmaajo has truly done a lot of damage to marexaan and Darood as a whole. He wanted to stay in power by force and ofcourse that will never materialize in the 21st century. I am all for democracy and will never support a thug trying to stay in power by all means. He has not invested in Gedo the infrastructure is in ruins, no hospitals the schools are in shambles. Kismayo has been at war for 30+. Farmaajo has not contributed anything except promoting more animosity among Somali clans. The army he thought he was building turned against him. If I was him I would resign and be embarrassed to even sit there. He is not even invited to the FGS & FMS meeting.
Do you know how truly pathetic, defeated, and broken this response sounds? I àm being completely honestly.

It is not only you. Probably the most informing understanding I got from Puntland jnder5 Deni Administration in all of this---is that our northeastern brothers are still suffering something called delayed grief.

It is someone where the full cycle of grief is stunted or blocked from completion.

It could be 20 years and the grief is still suspended; it never disappears. It has to be completed and then closed to move on without it. It is why all human cultures, religious or pagan, developed or primitive all recognize the existence of grief and have a way to process it.

In delayed grief, it could be 20 years later and the person is living a shell of a life, paranoid, looking over their shoulders, perpetually vulnerable, and systematically estranged from loved ones. They can't bear anything associated with the original trauma.

It is really heavy, but the reason I am not even mildly with any strong views against the northeast is the realization that it is very possibly thag everything being projected is grounded the delayed grief existing in that community.

MX was in the thicket, surrounded by the hostile south. They hit us, we swung back and connected with 3 or 4 for 1 of ours.

Jug jug ku timid ciil ma leh.

Marehan completed his grief from the initial expulsion from the capital and the nation's fall.

It is why even Marehan was not much later even leading an alliance of JVA with the old grief.

It is why Marehan are the largest Darod community in Mogadishu today even, maybe even 2 or more X equal to the rest of Darod there; it's why even they continue to flock there now.

His grief has long been completed. He is free.

I think being isolated in the periphery geographically and surrounded even on 2 and a 1/2 fronts by water and 1 and 1/2 by Harti and family, and not even feeling like they got a good swing in the Gaalkacyo tussle before the ceasefire on top of the original trauma that took place in Mog, endings a long basic understanding of their perception of Somalia and their place in it on top of the Kismaajo Morgan vs MX 2nd big remigration...

... they never processed, came to terms with, and complete the cycle of grief.

This form ls the foundation for every single agitation and maladaptation and fear and paranoia, and anger and estrangement, and even passivity and submission to the vulnerability assumed as knowledge imparted by the trauma. It is why northeast becomes apocalyptic whenever Farmaajo exhibits some control and challenge----I mean they express more confidence in what the Madasha is allegedly capable of more than the Madasha and all their supportrrs combined assume about their abilities.... Because for the person suffering delayed grief, the trauma's power is all encompassing and reassertion of the original shock is literally and figuratively unbearable. It has to be willed and fought from occuring again

But it is all in their head held in bondage to limitless and all powerful bind of delayed grief.
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Are you autistic or something? Why do you have to create so many different topics? What you wrote there is complete psycho babble. Reer puntland still have presence in Mogadishu, but unlike you, they have built a functioning state of their own and are not a parasitic clan like yours.
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MrSinister wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 1:26 pm Are you autistic or something? Why do you have to create so many different topics? What you wrote there is complete psycho babble. Reer puntland still have presence in Mogadishu, but unlike you, they have built a functioning state of their own and are not a parasitic clan like yours.
Functioning state that alienates its population and used by foreigners to kill fellow Daroods. You’re a cancer that needs to be eliminated.
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ReturnOfMariixmaan wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 2:19 pm
MrSinister wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 1:26 pm Are you autistic or something? Why do you have to create so many different topics? What you wrote there is complete psycho babble. Reer puntland still have presence in Mogadishu, but unlike you, they have built a functioning state of their own and are not a parasitic clan like yours.
Functioning state that alienates its population and used by foreigners to kill fellow Daroods. You’re a cancer that needs to be eliminated.
Sure puntland has issues. Some of these are being resolved now as It is slowly moving to 1p1v through local elections. But you as marexaan critizing punt land is like a homeless man criticizing a home owner on interior decorations.
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MrSinister wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 2:35 pm
ReturnOfMariixmaan wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 2:19 pm
MrSinister wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 1:26 pm Are you autistic or something? Why do you have to create so many different topics? What you wrote there is complete psycho babble. Reer puntland still have presence in Mogadishu, but unlike you, they have built a functioning state of their own and are not a parasitic clan like yours.
Functioning state that alienates its population and used by foreigners to kill fellow Daroods. You’re a cancer that needs to be eliminated.
Sure puntland has issues. Some of these are being resolved now as It is slowly moving to 1p1v through local elections. But you as marexaan critizing punt land is like a homeless man criticizing a home owner on interior decorations.

Homeless? Jubaland is mines sxb. We’ll burn Darood and everything it loves to the ground. Since MX blood is cheap, so will be Ogaden and Majeerteen. Don’t get emotional when that happens sxb. You Majeerteens are soft, you’re still calacaaling about USC and Barre Hiiraale.
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Voltage I failed to understand your post, isnt Deni politically allied with Hawiye today? HSM, Odawaa, Fiqi etc are all under Deni's camp so what trauma are you referring to? You say that MX overcame their hurdles and flock to Xamar which is also true. So who and what is Majeerteen clan grieving for if they are lashing out on Farmaajo? Farmaajo is MX and doesnt represent Hawiye.
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Returnofmariixman,

Making threats online doesn’t change the reality on the ground sxb. Whatever your misgivings about the current structure in Jubbaland should be resolved peacefully. MX as a collective need to figure out their goals. Right now, you are still stuck in the past and suffering from poor leadership.
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MrSinister wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 4:44 pm Returnofmariixman,

Making threats online doesn’t change the reality on the ground sxb. Whatever your misgivings about the current structure in Jubbaland should be resolved peacefully. MX as a collective need to figure out their goals. Right now, you are still stuck in the past and suffering from poor leadership.

Fuck peace, Jubaland is ours. It’s our base. No other Darood has the right to rule Jubba river but MX. You forfeit that when you used foreign troops to cement your rule and kill my people. You deserve the xabad and all out war. You came thru foreign troops. Therefore it’ll never be peace between us.
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Well, I am going to agree with some of your comments and disagree with others. In terms of puntland vs Farmaajo, Farmaajo’s administration has been hostile in terms of equal distribution of aid to the Federal states, education, infrastructure and construction programs.

1. One good example is the Garacad seaport project, the federal government withheld funds requested by puntland adminstration. Fortunately the puntland diaspora stood up and financed the project alhamdulilah.

2. Another example was when farmaajo visited puntland in 2017, he promised to help with several projects including roads connecting some of the major cities. The largest project was a road connecting las qoray to bosaaso. None of the projects were implemented by the federal government. Some of the projects have recently started under puntland’s supervision.

3. The federal government refused to accept puntland high school diplomas, although now they have agreed after 2 yrs of back and forth disagreements.

4. Farmaajo was asked by a young lady (tv journalist) to comment on his stance on the sool, sanaag and cayn dispute. Instead of answering it in a well thought out and comprehensive manner. He ducked out like the coward he is in order to avoid angering his somaliland friends. He has since angered somaliland as well.

There are many more grievances, so when ppl from puntland tell you why they don’t like the man there are many reasons. He still enjoys some support in the Dhulbahante community and to a certain extent our Warsangeli brothers also support him despite the fact this has been waning in the recent months.

Anyways Farmaajo has not been a friend of harti and puntland.
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grandpakhalif wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 3:33 pm Voltage I failed to understand your post, isnt Deni politically allied with Hawiye today? HSM, Odawaa, Fiqi etc are all under Deni's camp so what trauma are you referring to? You say that MX overcame their hurdles and flock to Xamar which is also true. So who and what is Majeerteen clan grieving for if they are lashing out on Farmaajo? Farmaajo is MX and doesnt represent Hawiye.
Pleasr read again exactly what I wrote,,,, maybe even 2 X.

And also, how people relate to each other is not always informed by what it looks or seems or is sometimes even considered logic/norm.

This "Stockholm Syndrome" where what you thought was a prisoner you were freeing from captivity leads you to a trap set by his captor and all of a sudden the prisoner you thought you were freeing now has evil grimace and walks back to his "brother" the captor.

In delayed grielf, there is a similar relationship between the who is suffering grief and what informs the grief.

It is why for example

"THAT CRAZY LUNATIC FARMAAJO, THROWING ALL WE HAVE MADE INTO THE GARBAGE RUINING THE QUIET OF THE STATU QUO, WHAT IS HE DOING HOW DARE HE FACE INDHACADE IN THE DALJIKA DAAHSOON OR HAVE THE NERVE TO ASSUME HIS WORTHLESS TITLE OF PRESIDENT GIVES HIM ANY RIGHT TO TALK TO HASSAN SHEEK INSIDE MUQDISHO---HERE JUST TAKE THE PRESIDENT TITLE EVEN GIVING THIS MAN THE ARROGANCE, TRUST ME YOU DESERVE IT FOR THE PATIENCE YOU SHOWED THIS CRAZY MAN, WE WILL WORK WITH YOU 100% ---BEHIND YOU---MAKING SURE THE CRAZY MAN IS KEPT AT ARM'S LENGTH. CAN YOU BELIEVE THE NERVE OF HIM"

And then later

" I WILL NEVER FORGIVE THAT GUY FARMAAJO. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH SUCKING UP I HAD TO DO INFRONT OF THOSE ANIMALS TODAY. CRAP, FFF...---WHAT FFING FUDEED THESE DUMB, BOMBASTIC GEDO PEOPLE ARE, FFIJG EXTENDED KING, WHOEVER EVEN PROVED DAROD WAS REAL. THEY ARE A LIABILITY AND A DANGER TO THEMSELVES AND US, HERE'S WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO; WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE WE DO EVERYTHING TO STOP THESE GEDO PEOPLE ACTING CRAZY WHILE THE ONES I WAS JUST SUCKING UPTO, WE ARE GOING TO GO BACK WITH A PAINTED SMILE ON OUR FACR AND KEEP "THEM" COMPLACENT AND OCCUPIED SO WE DON'T HAVE WORSE CASE SCENARIO; BUT THOSE GEDO PEOPLE....FFFFFFING."

I am well aware how this is going to be imparted and certainly a Mr Sinister is no more likelier to be happy with me---but I really tried to give my best affectation of what suffering delayed grief in that role and circumstance looks, feels, and acts like.

Nothing personal at all to anyone who feels offended.

It is a dramatized characterization.
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You're biased, not attacking you, we all are when it comes to our clan, but you have to start thinking holistically about these kinds of things. Just like HG attacks on Gaalkacyo in 91, there's a deeper history that can be inferred by all this.

Gubbet, do you remember what Siad Barre (AUN) did to my people? Barre used the state military apparatus to kill and torture civilians, raped our women using Bantu soldiers and, as if that wasn't enough, poisoned our water wells. The carnage Siad inflicted on my people was so terrible we were forced to flee to the Ethiopian border.

Do you know how humiliated we felt? And to add salt on the injury, majority of Somalis celebrated this endeavour, saying Majeerteen was in need of being humbled for a long time. :)

We developed a siege like mentality after this, yes, Majeerteen is wary of Marexaan, I have never denied this, but to imply MX had no say or action in CONTRIBUTING to this misunderstanding between us would be disingenuous.

Also, no offence, but your post doesn't make sense to me, MJ and Abgaal have ALWAYS had a close relationship and a great understanding of each others needs, since the collapse of Xamar we have made sure to honour this arrangement, with some people even joking that MJ and Abgaal waa hal.

And to my last point; MX WERE THE ONES WHO ADVISED CUMAR MAXAMUD TO EXPEL HG FROM GAALKACYO, if MJ is what you say they are, why didn't they go through with this? Why refuse? Because let's be realistic, MX were right in the sense that this could have been achieved, the USC forces were being pushed back and suffered heavy losses from pincer movements coming from the west (Darood militias from Galbeed were bolstering our forces) and HG civilians were fleeing to Xamar, seeing as Galgadug is a harsh barren terrain.

You're making it seem like MJ lost the Gaalkacyo war, nothing could be further from the truth.
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You would be grieving and mourning soon, as you are a Qabiil putting all their bets on one horse.
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I never said MRX has no fault in this.

I mean it makes me uncomfortable as a MRX so it does not allow me to be effusive about it, but this was me taking ownership of MRX contribution to the delayed grief/siege mentality (as you call it).
on top of the Kismaajo Morgan vs MX 2nd big remigration
Morgan was no angel and MRX was responding to the choices hr made that they felt victimized by, but nevertheless I have long had the realization that MRX (in their self-absorbed Morgan started it against us) never fully appreciated the extent to which that circumstance impacted the Majeerteen psyche on top of the further trauma that began in 1991 and was slowly incubating.

I mean MJ are similarly self-absorbed in that they never fully appreciated how uniquely under existential threat Marehan felt at that time (war raging in Gedo at that time with Ethio invasion, Al Itihad war from inside, state of unresolved hostilities everywhere we looked), but the consequences of that occurrence seemed to have had a more lasting effect on them than us.

In any case, have you ever seen me question why who did what they did.

I am past it.

I don't even want or care to see a Kismaayo where a Majerten doesn't feel as free or happy or as secure or anything as I would.

I literally am over any tribal connection to any piece of spatial land.

I want Majerteen in Kismaayo. I want Ogaden in Kismaayo. I want ANY Somali who wants to be in Kismaayo to be in Kismaayo.

I want an end to civil war WITHOUT a winner or a loser.

I want a civil war with a universally hopeful and optimistic Somali people.
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juelz wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 8:16 pm Well, I am going to agree with some of your comments and disagree with others. In terms of puntland vs Farmaajo, Farmaajo’s administration has been hostile in terms of equal distribution of aid to the Federal states, education, infrastructure and construction programs.

1. One good example is the Garacad seaport project, the federal government withheld funds requested by puntland adminstration. Fortunately the puntland diaspora stood up and financed the project alhamdulilah.

2. Another example was when farmaajo visited puntland in 2017, he promised to help with several projects including roads connecting some of the major cities. The largest project was a road connecting las qoray to bosaaso. None of the projects were implemented by the federal government. Some of the projects have recently started under puntland’s supervision.

3. The federal government refused to accept puntland high school diplomas, although now they have agreed after 2 yrs of back and forth disagreements.

4. Farmaajo was asked by a young lady (tv journalist) to comment on his stance on the sool, sanaag and cayn dispute. Instead of answering it in a well thought out and comprehensive manner. He ducked out like the coward he is in order to avoid angering his somaliland friends. He has since angered somaliland as well.

There are many more grievances, so when ppl from puntland tell you why they don’t like the man there are many reasons. He still enjoys some support in the Dhulbahante community and to a certain extent our Warsangeli brothers also support him despite the fact this has been waning in the recent months.

Anyways Farmaajo has not been a friend of harti and puntland.
Warya we in Somaliland got nothing to do with this, don’t bring us up

As for sool and sanaag- it’s shared by many tribes so farmaajo can’t only focus on lascanood and badhan districts which is the darod parts of sool and sanaag.

Cayn is in togdheer and shared by hj and darod dhulo lol
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