Dulbahante and Habar Jeclo in 1960, Somalis are funny people

[SunFromNorth]

So I was talking with my dad who is an old guy recently about the history of our Somali republic and you know when British Somaliland became a Sovereign nation in 1960, all the Somaliland leaders had a metting regarding what to do as a next step, The Dhulbahante tribal chief the political representér of the Dhulbahante clan said " let us create our own northern republic because we northerners are not like the rest of somalis we are unique people who share a common identity " Ahmed Kayse if I remember the name correctly a major Habar Jeclor political VIP figure tried to beat up the Garaad and fight with his hands acussing the Garad of being a traitor to the ideas of Somaliweyn and all ethnic somalis from NFD to Djibouti sharing the same flag land government . You know as a my dad told me the story I laughed and shacked my head you know its shows you how complicated the somali history is and not everything is black and white and how the things changed !! haha !

[mukke]

Yes, the harti in Somaliland was against the union.
They used to shout "laya garaadka".

[SunFromNorth]

Yes, the harti in Somaliland was against the union.
They used to shout "laya garaadka".

Maybe if Somaliland had not joined the Union, now the Harti will had been the most diehardcore Somaliland Nationalists the base of the Far Right

[Gubbet]

I think it is a better barometer to look at the election/vote ratifying the act of union to judge community wise where people were.

The reason I say this is, the Dhulbahante Garaad, at least in the middle of colonialism and the 1900s, has been a sort of very politicized traditional leadership more than I would say any other chief except Olol Diinle of the Shabell at the same time frame.

Both of them were actually extremely politicized by the main colonial powers for achieving the expansion of control.

And before them, in the early part of colonialism, two other traditional seats preceded them similarly heavily politicized by the colonial powers for gaining control.

EARLY COLONIALISM

1. Mj Sultan
2. Geledi Sultan

The roles were politicized for providing legitimacy to the setting of a protectorate before colony. Protectorate is THEY CALL US, ASKED US TO SIGN TREATY OF DEFENSE blah

MIDDLE COLONIALISM

1. Dhullo Garaad
2. Ajuran Sultan of Shabelle Ethiopia

olol Diinle was mostly about Italian justification for invading Ethiopia. From the Hiiraan border to thr town of Iimeey, the Shabelle river is farmed by the Somali Bantu reer Shabelle (reer Barre, Shiidle, Waraabeeye, Warduube, Walamooge, Kabaale, Makanne, etc).

The reer Shabelle live in a state of client federation with the Ajuuraan whose chief was Olol Diinle.

He figured prominently in the Italian justification band legitimacy of continuing to lay claim and eventually invade Ethiopia in 1932.

Now the Dhullo Garaad----THE REBELLION OF THE MAD MULLAH.

Dhullo as we know were the foundation of the Dervishes. They were the most unfriendly clan out of all the sigbatories of British Somaliland and the British included as large aspect of their anti-Mad Mullah strategy, gaining greater control and legitimacy over the Dhullo

I mean they politicized a traditional role that is usually in Somali culture not that political to such a degree that THE MAD MULLAH EVEN ASSASSINATED the Dhullo Garaad.

That's how divisive it got...that the MULLAH dared ASSASINATE a clan's chief.

I mean you do not do that.

He did it because he was more fearful of his influence shaping Dhulbahante to reconsider their choice thanbhe was of Dhullo backlash for killing him.

It so happens that it turned out to be the biggest mistake the Mullah made in the entire war.

All of Dhulbahante except his Ali Geri reer abti deserted him.

He started suffering the worst losses and setbacks, etc e5c etc.

The effect the assasination of the Garaad had on Dhullo was further increased role of political expression by the Garaad.

The British in particular as a result of their original aim of politicizing the seat to vegin with redoubled the effort to make sure the seat was reflected from their sphere of influence.

They took personal responsibility for educating, modernizing, and shaping the line of the seat.

It is even said, there is no traditional seat in Somali culture more institutionally invested in and modernized than the Dhullo Garaad.

And Dhullo, like Marehan, like Habar Yoonis, like Habar Gidir, etc are counted as among the most purely culturally nomadic inspired groups among Somalis.

There existed, I think even as recently as up to the current young/middle aged Garaad, a disconnect between the SEAT and the CLAN.

The seat is indispensable to the Clan but more often than not tge Seat was less in conformity to how the Clan viewed it or wanted it.

The clan wanted the seat to be a SYMBOL not an AUTHORITY but but the entire reason for investing in the seat, including contributing to the shocking assasination, was predicated on a SEAT WITH AUTHORITY.

This issue about the act of union was one such acute example of this disconnect.

[gobdoon]

Somalis like punch of teenagers not mature yet, and don't know what to do with their lives, starting something and stopping before finishing, still not a modern 21 St century nation

[Khalid Ali]

I am not sure about the beating but the dhulbahante garaad. Ali garaad jama. Was opposed to the unifixaion of Somalia and Somaliland. Ironically his son garaad jamac garaad ali. Supports the Union now stange bunch I say. The qurji folks.

[Nomand]

its moments like these that define history. imagine if isaaq listened to dhulbahante and did not join italian somaliland. then italian somaliland would not have gone to war in 77 and the Civil war would not have happened because Ethiopia would not have armed and trained somali rebels.

[Khalid Ali]

You are right the war with Ethiopians could have been avoided hargeisa wouldve not been destroyed in 1988. Somaliland would have probably be a strong recognizer nation economically strong with good infrastructure. Having said that all. Somaliland today is stronger the war with walanweyn and faqash made us stronger then ever experienced vigilant more united resilient. Somaliland today is a reality on the ground due to all the struggles we endured and overcame. We needed the cancerous Union with Italian Somalia. To come out as winners and we did.

[Gubbet]

Khalid,

You know close to 90% of Laas Caanood district voted for union in the constitutional referendum of 1961.

I have seen you partake in discussions of the referendum showing recognition even of how the vote went in Laas Caanood----sooo, I don't know why you are playing dumb.

FYI: Somaliland was two regions Waqooyi Galbeed and Burao. Burao was two districts; Burao and Las Anod. Las Anod district in 1961 is basically 90% of Sool Region today.

[Nomand]

You are right the war with Ethiopians could have been avoided hargeisa wouldve not been destroyed in 1988. Somaliland would have probably be a strong recognizer nation economically strong with good infrastructure. Having said that all. Somaliland today is stronger the war with walanweyn and faqash made us stronger then ever experienced vigilant more united resilient. Somaliland today is a reality on the ground due to all the struggles we endured and overcame. We needed the cancerous Union with Italian Somalia. To come out as winners and we did.

that does not make any sense, you are not stronger today. you are just as weak as any other part of somalia. No jobs for the youth, no infrastructure, no health and no education.

[Gubbet]

Khalid,

The problem is not Somalia, the problem is nomadic Somali culture and the part you wamt to break off with exhibits it more homogenously than Somalia.

You ARE Somalia.

If you got indepedence right now, I swear I imagine within a year, you would be 1991 Somalia.

The ONLY thing that ever holds Somali tribes together united by a tribal objective is the detterance level goes down if they go along---so you have to stick to the unit

But once that need for detterance ends (when Somaliland is recognized or typically when peace as been declared with the enemy), within mere seconds the composition of the unit can't wait to get away from the claustrophobia of the united group and completely move to the furthest corner possible in the claimed land to take a break from each other.

Of course, none of the reality of the reality matters to you know, but deep down in your heart you know it too.

[Khalid Ali]

Nomand I live In Somaliland I have seen the progress in the country and the struggles people been through. We are today much more stronger much more wiser. And more developt in terms of social cohesion and infrastructure.


Voltage I wouldn't totally disagree with you that Somalia as a enemy country is good for the the unity of somaliland to some extend. But I wouldn't say somaliland would go to civil war once Somaliland is officially reocgnised we in somaliland we are very cvilized there will be allot of talk before we use guns on each other the 2017 presidential elecions was highly contested between candidates from the 2 largest clans in Somaliland the habar awal and the garxajis. Despite the cracks and the tribal divisions. When the elecions were over every one moved on. I believe Somalia is mic more weaker domestically puntland jubbaland galmudug hirshabelle South West. All have nothing that units them. Maybe only their opposition to alshabaab and to Somaliland nut nothing else unites them.

[skywalker25]

Khalid,

The problem is not Somalia, the problem is nomadic Somali culture and the part you wamt to break off with exhibits it more homogenously than Somalia.

You ARE Somalia.

If you got indepedence right now, I swear I imagine within a year, you would be 1991 Somalia.

The ONLY thing that ever holds Somali tribes together united by a tribal objective is the detterance level goes down if they go along---so you have to stick to the unit

But once that need for detterance ends (when Somaliland is recognized or typically when peace as been declared with the enemy), within mere seconds the composition of the unit can't wait to get away from the claustrophobia of the united group and completely move to the furthest corner possible in the claimed land to take a break from each other.

Of course, none of the reality of the reality matters to you know, but deep down in your heart you know it too.

This is a general argument that's used by those who struggle to accept that Somalilands peace might just be a bit more secure. They try and make sense by giving credit to; environment ( only a triangle with 3 cities). Population size; ( Somaliland only consists of a few tribes). The people being unwell; ( the hate for Somalia that has you all together in fear).

The aim of all these points are to take away the primary reason why Somailand has peace; which the people choose peace over war. They understand that breaking things is easy fixing is hard. That every single person in Somaliland is aware they are a vital part of a much bigger plan and that they have a responsibility to honour the peace because the alternative is visible to them in the south. Would you need anything else after that.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Gubbet & Landers,

I like the civil intellectual conversation. Keep it up

[mukke]

Yes, the harti in Somaliland was against the union.
They used to shout "laya garaadka".

Maybe if Somaliland had not joined the Union, now the Harti will had been the most diehardcore Somaliland Nationalists the base of the Far Right

Lol they would have been the teaparty of Somaliland, a crazy lunatic backward horde.