I am interested in doing the Y-dna. Can someone inform me more about it + rundown of what the test yields?

[Gubbet]

I have already taken a genetic test and know my paternal haplogroup and mtdna.

Paternal: E-V32
mtDNA: U3a1



Recently, I have been hearing a lot about the Y-DNA test as like the regular genetic tests, but on steroid.

You got a microscopic view.

Exactly what will be seen and what is it supposed to inform me?

Is it going to tell me something like who am I related from 300 years ago or something?

I think the E-V32 testing just goes to 2000 years ago or something.

Has anyone actually taken it here?

[Sbashi]

So it basically zooms in on E-V32 or the T hablogroups. There's a database of y-dna and their corresponding qabils. Obtained from people who took the test and mentioned their qabil. For example, there's a mohamoud saleeban hablogroup that all mohamoud saleeban come under. It shows that they are related. So its the hablogroup that the father mohamoud had. Then there's a habar awal subclade that shows how many habar awals are related. Then there's a dhulbahante one. Then there's a bah geri which shows they cluster together and are related. Theres no other ogaden so far that shares their subclade. So far we had marehan but apparently the marehan person was related to garre and sacad. Then we had a sheegato reer abdillah who is related to MS.

If you do it we can see if darood is real because you might share a subclade with other daroods. You can also help us establish the marehan subclade. As well as reer diini subclade. Its interesting.

[Sbashi]

Apparently your maternal hablogroup is from europe. Surprise surprise.

[Gubbet]

Garre and Sacad are two of Marehan's biggest historical and modern neighbors.

And there is 100% the existence statistically of Marehan blood seeping into them ans vice versa, either through extramarital affairs or some natural process like adoption of an individual historically.

Honestly, I would expect the more diverse a clan's movement historically and diversity of its neighbors to yield an aspect of that diversity.

Even possibly through force even. I have seen 0 discussion let alone recognition that sexually compelled interactions might have taken place among Somalis and neighbors historically---at least before 1991.

Yes they did---Man is the same beast he has always been.

And here is the surprise; given my interest in understanding how diffused Marehan blood is, not how exclusive, even theorizing Marehan offshoots in various groups, I want start this Y-DNA testing trend among Marehan so we can have a composite to compare against potential offshoots

I expect a diverse aspect of various subsections of a number of other Somali groups to coalesce around Marehan---because they would originally have been Marehan offshoots and obviously also contributed to our diversity in return.

[Gubbet]

Apparently your maternal hablogroup is from europe. Surprise surprise.

Yeah, I found it weird to be honest because it is not even the clads of U or U3 or even U3a found on the red sea or north Africa. U3a1 is not even found in the Middle East. It formed and seems to be almost completely limited to Europe today.

I am not too interested in the mtDNA right now though since there are infinite amount of reasons within thousands of years a European woman's bloodline ended up in the genecode of a Marehan Somali dude from the deserts of Mudug.

I am curious to see how diffused this is in other Somalis, but really it is the paternal Haplogroup that I am concerned with and find very important for potentially helping explain or contribute to understanding nso much of the haze and mythology behind our social malaise as Somalis.

For example, do you know of any "organized" testing of Somali artisanal groups as a "group."

So like Madhibaan, Tumaal, Yibir that have had uniquely focused testing geared at them?

This is the next frontier dude. It is time to shed light on so much of the mythology handed doen to us from yesteryea's intrigue in the Somali bush!

[Gubbet]

So it basically zooms in on E-V32 or the T hablogroups. There's a database of y-dna and their corresponding qabils. Obtained from people who took the test and mentioned their qabil. For example, there's a mohamoud saleeban hablogroup that all mohamoud saleeban come under. It shows that they are related. So its the hablogroup that the father mohamoud had. Then there's a habar awal subclade that shows how many habar awals are related. Then there's a dhulbahante one. Then there's a bah geri which shows they cluster together and are related. Theres no other ogaden so far that shares their subclade. So far we had marehan but apparently the marehan person was related to garre and sacad. Then we had a sheegato reer abdillah who is related to MS.

If you do it we can see if darood is real because you might share a subclade with other daroods. You can also help us establish the marehan subclade. As well as reer diini subclade. Its interesting.

Why haven't you taken it? You are speaking in the 3rd person like you aren't MRX.

[Sbashi]

Garre and Sacad are two of Marehan's biggest historical and modern neighbors.

And there is 100% the existence statistically of Marehan blood seeping into them ans vice versa, either through extramarital affairs or some natural process like adoption of an individual historically.

Honestly, I would expect the more diverse a clan's movement historically and diversity of its neighbors to yield an aspect of that diversity.

Even possibly through force even. I have seen 0 discussion let alone recognition that sexually compelled interactions might have taken place among Somalis and neighbors historically---at least before 1991.

Yes they did---Man is the same beast he has always been.

And here is the surprise; given my interest in understanding how diffused Marehan blood is, not how exclusive, even theorizing Marehan offshoots in various groups, I want start this Y-DNA testing trend among Marehan so we can have a composite to compare against potential offshoots

I expect a diverse aspect of various subsections of a number of other Somali groups to coalesce around Marehan---because they would originally have been Marehan offshoots and obviously also contributed to our diversity in return.

I have heard of sexually compelled interactions during hobyo sultanate. Where families were raising children that might not have been fathered by the husband.

That's what this test is made for. We can prove or disprove relations with other groups. Not just other somalis we can test oromos we suspect and other ethnic groups. It's even better if we can have subclades for each marehan sub-clan so we can know which sub-clan the offshoot group broke off. Reer garaad for example and reer yusuf daud should be heavily tested as well as reer cismaan. Reer yusuf reer hassan should be tested against mamasan especially the royal bloodline of the cisse ugaas. We need more marexaan data, i will take the test some time in the future too.

The most tested somali sub-clan so far is MJ. It comes from their need to disprove their zanzibari blood.

[Sbashi]

Apparently your maternal hablogroup is from europe. Surprise surprise.

Yeah, I found it weird to be honest because it is not even the clads of U or U3 or even U3a found on the red sea or north Africa. U3a1 is not even found in the Middle East. It formed and seems to be almost completely limited to Europe today.

I am not too interested in the mtDNA right now though since there are infinite amount of reasons within thousands of years a European woman's bloodline ended up in the genecode of a Marehan Somali dude from the deserts of Mudug.

I am curious to see how diffused this is in other Somalis, but really it is the paternal Haplogroup that I am concerned with and find very important for potentially helping explain or contribute to understanding nso much of the haze and mythology behind our social malaise as Somalis.

For example, do you know of any "organized" testing of Somali artisanal groups as a "group."

So like Madhibaan, Tumaal, Yibir that have had uniquely focused testing geared at them?

This is the next frontier dude. It is time to shed light on so much of the mythology handed doen to us from yesteryea's intrigue in the Somali bush!

There are some people who took the test belonging to those clans. However, no large-scale organized testing for them. They are not any different from other somalis. No difference. The most interesting group is sheikhaal they have got different hablogroups.

[Sbashi]

So it basically zooms in on E-V32 or the T hablogroups. There's a database of y-dna and their corresponding qabils. Obtained from people who took the test and mentioned their qabil. For example, there's a mohamoud saleeban hablogroup that all mohamoud saleeban come under. It shows that they are related. So its the hablogroup that the father mohamoud had. Then there's a habar awal subclade that shows how many habar awals are related. Then there's a dhulbahante one. Then there's a bah geri which shows they cluster together and are related. Theres no other ogaden so far that shares their subclade. So far we had marehan but apparently the marehan person was related to garre and sacad. Then we had a sheegato reer abdillah who is related to MS.

If you do it we can see if darood is real because you might share a subclade with other daroods. You can also help us establish the marehan subclade. As well as reer diini subclade. Its interesting.

Why haven't you taken it? You are speaking in the 3rd person like you aren't MRX.

I haven't even taken the general 23andme one yet but inshallah I will.


"You are speaking in the 3rd person like you aren't MRX. "

Well, you can help us establish OUR subclade. I was speaking from an objective point of view, just observing what we got so far.

[Gubbet]

Thw most interesting group is sheikhaal they have got different hablogroups.

Wow. Dude. This statement literally gave me Deja Vu for the theory I have long held about Sheekhaal, including the fact they are the only group in Somalis with a geneology containing SHEEKH ABADIR of Harar apart from Marehan.

Yet while Marehan existence and relevance to Harar more than 500 years ago is corroborated in records like the Futuh, Sheekhaal is not.

This ia why I held the theory Sheekhaal, per their name, were a religious order, a "tabliiq" almost, who formed various Xer or missions after the defeat of the Imam and his forces and provided religious services to the dispersed groups.

Just like typical Xer order, a guiding example ("sainr") was used for emulation and obviously it was Sh Abadir, the patron Saint of Harar.

My personal theory is Sheekhaal are remnants of the defeat of Ahmed Gurey and later became a "Xer" (religious organization) tracing religious connection to Sheekh Abadir. Which is why you can find Sheekhaal everywhere as the religious xer.

Sheekhaal are not the only Somali xer followers of Sheekh Abadir. Wallahi I know an Oromo, Afran Qallo girl who said our religious leaders are from Sheekh Abadir. The remnants of Ahmed Gurey wars whether Somali or not became religious followers of Sheekh Abadir who was venerated yet the only group who trace descent to him and are mentioned prominently as a clan in the Futuh and Ahmed Gurey wars is Marehan.

Logically it makes perfect sense. Abadir is from Harrar before Ahmed Gurey. Marehan are prominently mentioned in the Futuh, in Ahmed Gurey's time, and part of the fabric of Harar. Sheekhaal is not, but Sheekhaal are mostly known as a religious Xer group. Which one has a linear tribal ancestry and which has religious connection as followers like some other Muslim groups apart from Somalis?

Followers =/= descendants tough folklore can build up over time. Look at it like the Alawites of Syria being twelver shias tracing religious followership to Ali (RA) literally becoming Alawites. In Somali folklore, these people could be claiming descent over time.

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 5#p4913199

Sheekhaal, Aw-Qutub section especially if from Somali border to Qabri Dahare, or Mudug to Hiiraan... are among the PRIMARY, FIRST LINE groups that I suspect contain Marehan offshoots.

I.even suspect I would be relevant to the question of finding out this question as my particular group within Marehan shares a very unique relationship with the Sheekhaal Aw Qutub of Shilaabo.

The ones that settled next to Marehan were under our protection "Sideeda Siyaad anaa ku Sagaal ah" with Siyaad being Reer Siyaad Diini Ugaas.

Interesting.

[Sbashi]

Thw most interesting group is sheikhaal they have got different hablogroups.

Wow. Dude. This statement literally gave me Deja Vu for the theory I have long held about Sheekhaal, including the fact they are the only group in Somalis with a geneology containing SHEEKH ABADIR of Harar apart from Marehan.

Yet while Marehan existence and relevance to Harar more than 500 years ago is corroborated in records like the Futuh, Sheekhaal is not.

This ia why I held the theory Sheekhaal, per their name, were a religious order, a "tabliiq" almost, who formed various Xer or missions after the defeat of the Imam and his forces and provided religious services to the dispersed groups.

Just like typical Xer order, a guiding example ("sainr") was used for emulation and obviously it was Sh Abadir, the patron Saint of Harar.

My personal theory is Sheekhaal are remnants of the defeat of Ahmed Gurey and later became a "Xer" (religious organization) tracing religious connection to Sheekh Abadir. Which is why you can find Sheekhaal everywhere as the religious xer.

Sheekhaal are not the only Somali xer followers of Sheekh Abadir. Wallahi I know an Oromo, Afran Qallo girl who said our religious leaders are from Sheekh Abadir. The remnants of Ahmed Gurey wars whether Somali or not became religious followers of Sheekh Abadir who was venerated yet the only group who trace descent to him and are mentioned prominently as a clan in the Futuh and Ahmed Gurey wars is Marehan.

Logically it makes perfect sense. Abadir is from Harrar before Ahmed Gurey. Marehan are prominently mentioned in the Futuh, in Ahmed Gurey's time, and part of the fabric of Harar. Sheekhaal is not, but Sheekhaal are mostly known as a religious Xer group. Which one has a linear tribal ancestry and which has religious connection as followers like some other Muslim groups apart from Somalis?

Followers =/= descendants tough folklore can build up over time. Look at it like the Alawites of Syria being twelver shias tracing religious followership to Ali (RA) literally becoming Alawites. In Somali folklore, these people could be claiming descent over time.

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 5#p4913199

Sheekhaal, Aw-Qutub section especially if from Somali border to Qabri Dahare, or Mudug to Hiiraan... are among the PRIMARY, FIRST LINE groups that I suspect contain Marehan offshoots.

I.even suspect I would be relevant to the question of finding out this question as my particular group within Marehan shares a very unique relationship with the Sheekhaal Aw Qutub of Shilaabo.

The ones that settled next to Marehan were under our protection "Sideeda Siyaad anaa ku Sagaal ah" with Siyaad being Reer Siyaad Diini Ugaas.

Interesting.

I heard about sheikhaal wanting to be accepted in MX but the mx ugaas refused. They claimed to be lost MX. I have always seen this marehan culture. No matter how long one qabiil lives with MX they never become MX. Unlike ogaden who practically force you to be ogaden.

[DaahirMursal]

It examines your HG with more intricacy and detail. I'd recommend others to perform these tests, but they're incredibly expensive and often take too long for the results to be brought out. It's one of the main reasons why data is so scarce om Y-Full in regards to Somali clans (whether they're real or not, etc). Hopefully, this could change and we'll finally be able to discern the Sheegaats in our clan in the future. But I highly doubt that'll occur any time soon.

[Gubbet]

Sbashi, yes it is very odd. I have met a couple of Galbeed Sheekhaal and Mudug Sheekhaal, they are very very personal/even relationship wise intimate seeming ( like family from the same house) as soon as they find out you are Marehan.

Plus oddly earliest Italian explorers consistently labeled them "Scecas" in Galbeed as "Marean".

Very weird thing going on between Marehan and Aw-Qutub from Galbeed historically

[Gubbet]

Sheekhaal Aw Qutub are known as Sheekhaash/Sheegaash/Sheekaas in Galbeed.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

I want to take DNA but I’m skittish on what companies will do with my information. Don’t like big pharma or the govt having my shit tbh