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are darood really of Arab origin or are we Eritrean or Egyptian when I say Egyptian I mean from mamluk era @gubnet ina adeer what is your input in this

Azkaban, according to my genetic testing on 23andMe, I am paternally (Y-DNA} E-V32 having an Afro-Asiatic origins between Northern Sudan and Southern Egypt. The E-V32 carriers are today overwhelmingly found on the northeastern African side of the Red Sea where Marehan is.

I am maternally (mtDNA) U3a1 having a European origin from Western Europe. The U3a1 carriers are today overwhelmingly still only found on the continent of Europe which makes its extension into a Marehan an extreme outlier and a puzzle.

On 23andMe, all the closest relatives that have shown up are predominantly Marehan, followed by Darod (Majerteen and Dhulbahante)---which says my genetic results are typical for who I am (a Marehan Darod).

Out of what you mentioned, I have more genetic influence from Europe than I have of typical Arabia (J).

And the fact they are my relatives on 23AndMe also informs that the average Marehan and Darod is probably the same---more European or EuroAsian genetic influence than typical Arabia (J).

It is time to put the Arab thing to rest. Somalis are not like Swahilis, formed by Arab and African influences.

Gubbet wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 3:16 pm Azkaban, according to my genetic testing on 23andMe, I am paternally (Y-DNA} E-V32 having an Afro-Asiatic origins between Northern Sudan and Southern Egypt. The E-V32 carriers are today overwhelmingly found on the northeastern African side of the Red Sea where Marehan is.

I am maternally (mtDNA) U3a1 having a European origin from Western Europe. The U3a1 carriers are today overwhelmingly still only found on the continent of Europe which makes its extension into a Marehan an extreme outlier and a puzzle.

On 23andMe, all the closest relatives that have shown up are predominantly Marehan, followed by Darod (Majerteen and Dhulbahante)---which says my genetic results are typical for who I am (a Marehan Darod).

Out of what you mentioned, I have more genetic influence from Europe than I have of typical Arabia (J).

And the fact they are my relatives on 23AndMe also informs that the average Marehan and Darod is probably the same---more European or EuroAsian genetic influence than typical Arabia (J).

It is time to put the Arab thing to rest. Somalis are not like Swahilis, formed by Arab and African influences.

I never believed darood was Arab let alone banu hashim this was some fabricated history claimed by mjs but your saying ev32 is more of a Mediterranean/red sea gene is that why majority of Arabs from Hejaz have em9 there has study showing the Arabs on the Hejaz region are e haplogroups while the ones on the gulf have a j1 haplogroups why is that

As of now, I am going by the assumption J is the indigenous Arab origin group. But you are right that the coastal Red Sea Arab in fact all the coastal area go up to Lebanon AND southern Europe on the Mediterranean is E3b.

It must somehow be a coastal seafaring distribution.

Still because it is not the Arab origin group, I am going by the assumption WE gave birth to the Arabs with E3B as opposed to the inverse.

They are us, we are not them.

I am not even them maternally. In fact, my maternal subclade of U3a1 is not even found in the Middle East. It's completely European.

Which means it didn't reach through Arabs and that I am more maternally genetic influenced historically by Europe than Arabs or the Middle East.

It just shows how wrong or far the Arab assumption is.

Gubbet wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 7:20 pm As of now, I am going by the assumption J is the indigenous Arab origin group. But you are right that the coastal Red Sea Arab in fact all the coastal area go up to Lebanon AND southern Europe on the Mediterranean is E3b.

It must somehow be a coastal seafaring distribution.

Still because it is not the Arab origin group, I am going by the assumption WE gave birth to the Arabs with E3B as opposed to the inverse.

They are us, we are not them.

I am not even them maternally. In fact, my maternal subclade of U3a1 is not even found in the Middle East. It's completely European.

Which means it didn't reach through Arabs and that I am more maternally genetic influenced historically by Europe than Arabs or the Middle East.

It just shows how wrong or far the Arab assumption is.

Makes sense and more believe able walahi what if the qutaysh and all the Arabs from Mecca Medina had e haplogroups and why do people say Somalis are mixed people of ancient nilotes and eurasians from the levant wich there is no evidence

Darod are a made up group which was created in 1860 by smaller unrelated tribes to fend off big somali clans of isaaq, hawiye and dir.

This is why they don’t have an abtirsi (lineage) that makes sense as they cobbled together a fake line. It’s also why they have a lot of non Muslim or Somali names in their abtirsi, some of them were oromo

mahoka wrote: Fri May 28, 2021 5:19 pm Darod are a made up group which was created in 1860 by smaller unrelated tribes to fend off big somali clans of isaaq, hawiye and dir.

This is why they don’t have an abtirsi (lineage) that makes sense as they cobbled together a fake line. It’s also why they have a lot of non Muslim or Somali names in their abtirsi, some of them were oromo

Darood and Issaq are both half breeds who are part of pre-modern sex tourism, enough said.

mahoka wrote: Fri May 28, 2021 5:19 pm Darod are a made up group which was created in 1860 by smaller unrelated tribes to fend off big somali clans of isaaq, hawiye and dir.

This is why they don’t have an abtirsi (lineage) that makes sense as they cobbled together a fake line. It’s also why they have a lot of non Muslim or Somali names in their abtirsi, some of them were oromo

ik ive noticed majority of mjs and Ogaden have a lot waaq In their sub clan while marehan,dulos,warsnageli,and leelkase have either Somali or Muslim abtiris sub clans

@ gubbet what’s the origin of marehan majority of marehan abtiris has names amanreer radamiir,warwajec,gadshirele,etc even the sub clans like talha kooshin etc marehan lineage Leeds to harar and the afar region

KUSH wrote: Fri May 28, 2021 11:55 pm

mahoka wrote: Fri May 28, 2021 5:19 pm Darod are a made up group which was created in 1860 by smaller unrelated tribes to fend off big somali clans of isaaq, hawiye and dir.

This is why they don’t have an abtirsi (lineage) that makes sense as they cobbled together a fake line. It’s also why they have a lot of non Muslim or Somali names in their abtirsi, some of them were oromo

Darood and Issaq are both half breeds who are part of pre-modern sex tourism, enough said.

The darods at least look kushatic unlike the hawiye lol

KUSH wrote: Fri May 28, 2021 11:55 pm

mahoka wrote: Fri May 28, 2021 5:19 pm Darod are a made up group which was created in 1860 by smaller unrelated tribes to fend off big somali clans of isaaq, hawiye and dir.

This is why they don’t have an abtirsi (lineage) that makes sense as they cobbled together a fake line. It’s also why they have a lot of non Muslim or Somali names in their abtirsi, some of them were oromo

Darood and Issaq are both half breeds who are part of pre-modern sex tourism, enough said.

mahoka wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 10:19 am

KUSH wrote: Fri May 28, 2021 11:55 pm

mahoka wrote: Fri May 28, 2021 5:19 pm Darod are a made up group which was created in 1860 by smaller unrelated tribes to fend off big somali clans of isaaq, hawiye and dir.

This is why they don’t have an abtirsi (lineage) that makes sense as they cobbled together a fake line. It’s also why they have a lot of non Muslim or Somali names in their abtirsi, some of them were oromo

Darood and Issaq are both half breeds who are part of pre-modern sex tourism, enough said.

The darods at least look kushatic unlike the hawiye lol

what is kushatic

Azkaban wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 7:08 am @ gubbet what’s the origin of marehan majority of marehan abtiris has names amanreer radamiir,warwajec,gadshirele,etc even the sub clans like talha kooshin etc marehan lineage Leeds to harar and the afar region

Radamiiir === Raad/Rida Amiir = Highstreet/Main Ave/ the route of the leader

Garshiredle and Hodanbari and Koshin are directly from Harar and the Amir residency

Kooshin = favorite flowers to adorn the private gardens of Harar

Garshileedle/galshireedle== the private guards of the entrance of the Amiir's private residency in former Harar (sort of like the Swiss guards to vatican today); also Gar in Harari is house/residence and in Somali "right of way", Gal in both languages is to enter..... "Prison" in both Harari and Somali today is Gar/Gaalshire

Hodanbari/hatambari = the gate leading to thr entrance or courtyard of the private residence in Harar.... Bari entrance of a gate, the walls (jugal) surrounding Harar have 5 gates (Bari) Assum Bari, Argob Bari,... There is a connection here between Hodan bari and Assum bark... hodan is prosperity and Assum is salt or the biggest material source of traded wealth in Adal

Warwaajecle = besides Somali definition, no definitive answer for this yes... strangely I have started concentrating on the 1700's records noe and BOTH the Abyssinian and Harar Emirate ceremonial guard of honor were called "WARANwacille or " men of spears

Look through a Harari dictionary or old Ethio-Semitic Abyssinian court or state glossary and pretty much all the old names in Marehan abtirsi that we thought was pre-Islamic is pretty much from Harar (Adal) who also used Ethio-Semitic Harari as official language.

And all those old names start after "Abadir" itself the name of the patron Saint of Harar whom the people of Harar even today credit as the original founder of the city



It is obvious from everyway you look (written record, cultire, clan groupings, even geneology) Marehan is Hararian "old blood"