Internal and external change is taking place now after the ousting of Nabar iyo Naxdin

[sahal80]

New ruling party is called Golaha wadatashiga Qaranka wich comprises of Rooble and FMS leaders no more Fahad and Mooge balaayo idinku dhacdey maxey umada ragaadiyeen

Kenyan president invited Pm Rooble

Gudaha JL reunion, Hirshabelle reunion. it's clear even in Galmudug no more using minister or speaker

outside restoring relations with Djibouti and Kenya





wataas lacagtii JL loo fasaxay aan sheegi jiray. isabadalada waa wayn ay ka mid tahay maamulka madoobe oo dhanka Rooble laga aqoonsanyahay 100% lamidna ah maamulada kale.

[BigBreak]

This is great to hear as Somalia starts to recover post Mooge but I'm afraid that when it comes to my country Somaliland more or less the entire political class of Somalia are either selfish or scared to accept the reality that we are a separate country and do the right thing to recognize us and forge formal diplomatic relations between our two countries.

I don't like either Sheikh Sharif or Hassan Sheikh for this reason and it seems that the Hawiye elite are either scared of the pesky Darods or have silly delusions of controlling Somaliland and her resources

[zidane88]

Sahal, frankly speaking i don't think N&N has been ousted yet. That's my humble opinion. The way things are going it seems that Farmaajo is planning his last sting, and seeing how HAG are divided now on the pursuit of power. It seems Farmaajo has still have room to manouvre unless HAG united, which is almost impossible, when power is involved. One may even think that Rooble is an agent of Farmaajo.

[sahal80]

Sahal, frankly speaking i don't think N&N has been ousted yet. That's my humble opinion. The way things are going it seems that Farmaajo is planning his last sting, and seeing how HAG are divided now on the pursuit of power. It seems Farmaajo has still have room to manouvre unless HAG united, which is almost impossible, when power is involved. One may even think that Rooble is an agent of Farmaajo.

When i say they were overthrown this means security, military wise and then diplomatically and economically. Today there is an army against Mooge inside Xamar and shabeelooyinka and still receive their salaries and the police have become independent from him. Sh Shariif they were claiming "to give them cafis" was praising today ciidamada badbaado qaran sending another new message that they will be back again!

meesha awood ayaa taala sxb no more sheeko iyo cafis with Mooge!

they r sagxada, most of the election funds will go to the FMS and no money from Qatar. Qatar is done with Mooge it will not fund his campaign this will tilt the financial balance in favour of the opposition who r backed by other countries.
The only thing left in their hands is the destabilization card and switching sides from one camp to another. There are some FMS with fragile admins such as Galmudug. It is known that they created QoorQoor administration so they may repeat the scenario of division after he told he Mooge that he is not different than the other candidates and today he was seen with Guuleed and Xaaf. im waiting for more Galmudug developments then will make thread about it and what they r calling the "Gedozation of caabudwaaq abd balanbale against Dhuusanareeb" and the role of the speaker and the yearly motion season iyo ninkii roobaa reerka u hari!

[zidane88]

Sahal, You're right he's weak militarily, politically, and financially but he has other method which is dividing FMS into clan lines. As we know Hiraab are not united when it comes to power sharing. My mind says that Farmaajo wouldn't be sitting in the Villa knowing he's going to lose the election.

He would be preparing now for his next life rather than sitting in the villa. He's either a fool who's thinking the unthinkable or he has one last stint plan B in his bag. Time will tell.

[sahal80]

Sahal, You're right he's weak militarily, politically, and financially but he has other method which is dividing FMS into clan lines. As we know Hiraab are not united when it comes to power sharing. My mind says that Farmaajo wouldn't be sitting in the Villa knowing he's going to lose the election.

He would be preparing now for his next life rather than sitting in the villa. He's either a fool who's thinking the unthinkable or he has one last stint plan B in his bag. Time will tell.

you are right and i know where you coming from. Mooge will do anything but he is done. MM got info from saraakiisha shabellada dhexe that odowaa was saying to them "waa la is cafiyay we r now one army...." they called Shariif and Hassan Sheekh immediately and they talked to odowaa saying "cafis beele dadkaaga dhinac ka raac amingana waa laga wareejitay mooge mar danbe hadii lagaa maqlo adoo cafis ka hadlaya oo saraakiisha u shukaaminaya mooge waxaan dalban in lagaa qaado!"

Mooge was believing he could do anything to stay in power by relying on few thousands of newly trained troops in Turkey and Eritrea and underestimating the local SNA that was built under the TFG and FGS and some of them go back to the 90s and early 2000s and islamic courts like those in lower shabelle.

fiiri sax waaye in pmka laga mideysneen laakin mooge waa laga mideysan yahay. ilaa hada pmka wada fiican uu ku socdaa aniga xataa waa ku qanacsanahay all MM waa ku qabacsanyihiin hadadaan. maanta askasrtii mooge dhan ee gudiyada aa loo gudbiyay inuu ka saaro. MM waxay ka mideysan yihiin inaan la ogalaan mooge nooc kaste inuu ku soo noqdo hadalkaan iga qor.

warqadaan waxay ku lid tahay wasiirada mooge ee meesha laga saarey sida dubbe

[zidane88]

Good for Rooble taking such measures.

[Khalid Ali]

This is great to hear as Somalia starts to recover post Mooge but I'm afraid that when it comes to my country Somaliland more or less the entire political class of Somalia are either selfish or scared to accept the reality that we are a separate country and do the right thing to recognize us and forge formal diplomatic relations between our two countries.

I don't like either Sheikh Sharif or Hassan Sheikh for this reason and it seems that the Hawiye elite are either scared of the pesky Darods or have silly delusions of controlling Somaliland and her resources

Don't expect to much from hawiye leadership. Hawiye cannot make a decision on Somaliland and somalia relations. Politically they don't have the confidence. I hate to say but the truth is. The darood are more politically savey and confident to adress Somaliland issue. If the Somalia and Somaliland issue is solved either by war or talks. Will be with darood.

[sahal80]

This is great to hear as Somalia starts to recover post Mooge but I'm afraid that when it comes to my country Somaliland more or less the entire political class of Somalia are either selfish or scared to accept the reality that we are a separate country and do the right thing to recognize us and forge formal diplomatic relations between our two countries.

I don't like either Sheikh Sharif or Hassan Sheikh for this reason and it seems that the Hawiye elite are either scared of the pesky Darods or have silly delusions of controlling Somaliland and her resources

Don't expect to much from hawiye leadership. Hawiye cannot make a decision on Somaliland and somalia relations. Politically they don't have the confidence. I hate to say but the truth is. The darood are more politically savey and confident to adress Somaliland issue. If the Somalia and Somaliland issue is solved either by war or talks. Will be with darood.

Khalid, waxaa la dhahay biyo sacabadaadaa looga dhargaa. ayadoo 60 dir mps oo hawiye iyo daarood la eg Xamar joogaan in hawiye iyo daarood wax ka filato SL waa u qalad waxey goaansatey in Xamar marnaba soo noqon si ay aqoonsi u hesho siyaasadana babaanka ka joogto taasi waa mid

maadama FGS ay ka dhexeyso hawiyo iyo Daarood dabcan waa qasab in qolana pmka qaadato qolana madaxweynaha. still as long Madaxweynaha Hawiye yahay SL hal albaab iyo hal wado ay umari heshiis la,aana lama soo cilin karo wax walbana waa idiin fasaxeen gooni. waa laga yaaba tactically xiliga doorashada in shariif balan qaadyo sameeyo laakin wax pl ku lid ah maba sameyn karaan intaanba SL la gaarin

Daarood waxay degaan SL its their business. waxay ka soo gali dariishada xataa gadabursi waa la soo xiriireen oo aad u taageera mooge dhaqaalihii laguu fasaxay waxay damceen inay jaraan.

Gadabursi ciyaal badan baa askar loogu qoray oo turky loogu diray so maalin wal awdal looga soo dajiyo! odayaashii lahaa SL dagaal baa lagu soo celin baa qoray!

waliba waa loo diidaa in dagaalada koonfurta la galiyo meel ayay ku xareysan yihiin!

siyaasad xumada mooge ee dawladaha dariska ayaa chance SL siisay ee waliba kenya ku jaray SL awgeed sidoo kale UAE laakin lama dhihi karo daarood. Ethiopia iyo Kenya waa pro Daarood waxaa ku yaala gobolo daarood ah/ only Djibouti are pro Hawiye hadii madaxweyne kablalah ah jooge SL lagama arkeen Kenya.. hadaad dagaal daarood uu xiisaqabtaan waa adinka reer Saba ayaa ku duceysan jiray balaayo ilaahayna waa ku furay


https://www.somtribune.com/2018/06/20/s ... -partners/

[Khalid Ali]

Suaal baan ku weydiinaya federal govt ma wax hawiye iyo darood ka dhexeya oo kaliya baa. Mise rahanweyn iyo dirna waxba ku leeyihin. Somaliland has no control over dir or darod votes or hawiye votes. It has basically no influances in your politics. It's like saying hawiye has influances in politics in Hargeysa. As for the talks I don't think you guys have any goodwill to come to an agreement. You like to stall stall and wait. I don't know what u guys are waiting for. But its just a waste of time.
Sheikh dalxiis I don't think he has ever a chance in coming back ma ninka 12 xildhibaan. Ka doortay kuwa mj iyo kuwa dirta. I think if mooge goes there will be a NN mooge kaga tego meesha tana filow sahalow.

As for the aid package lugu heshiiya with hassan sheikh. Sawki mooge la dagaalamay this deal. And made everything back to squere one. Mooge special somaliland deal waki dooonayey in la burburiyo.

I think a better alliance would be an mj president and dir prime minister this could work ka waran taa. Ileen hawiye ilaahay uma qorin madaxweyne. Yeeli waa. Dee walaal meesha nugu kala. Kexeya. Why oppose Somaliland recognition if you don't wanne share power.

[sahal80]

Suaal baan ku weydiinaya federal govt ma wax hawiye iyo darood ka dhexeya oo kaliya baa. Mise rahanweyn iyo dirna waxba ku leeyihin. Somaliland has no control over dir or darod votes or hawiye votes. It has basically no influances in your politics. It's like saying hawiye has influances in politics in Hargeysa. As for the talks I don't think you guys have any goodwill to come to an agreement. You like to stall stall and wait. I don't know what u guys are waiting for. But its just a waste of time.
Sheikh dalxiis I don't think he has ever a chance in coming back ma ninka 12 xildhibaan. Ka doortay kuwa mj iyo kuwa dirta. I think if mooge goes there will be a NN mooge kaga tego meesha tana filow sahalow.

As for the aid package lugu heshiiya with hassan sheikh. Sawki mooge la dagaalamay this deal. And made everything back to squere one. Mooge special somaliland deal waki dooonayey in la burburiyo.

I think a better alliance would be an mj president and dir prime minister this could work ka waran taa. Ileen hawiye ilaahay uma qorin madaxweyne. Yeeli waa. Dee walaal meesha nugu kala. Kexeya. Why oppose Somaliland recognition if you don't wanne share power.

your point was Daarood led Govt is better for SL than Hawiye led Govt. this was proven wrong under Mooge who tried to stop your special arrangements. Jamaal told the donors waliba Jamasl PL iyo golohii raacsanaa uu ku soo darey in ama ayagana gooni loo siiyo ama FGS SLna loo soo mariyo



ironically SL were allowed to use different mechanisms untill both govts reach settlement. SL was in rush and come up the final files. they didnt get the koonfur mentality "aan isla cuno" ugu danbdyntii waxay keentay in marmarsiye adinka iyo hartida waqooyi ka soo heshiiya.

ma jiro siyaasi hawiye oo gali kara baabka aqoonsiga laakin kuma qasbayaan that is the
difference arintaan SL ay u taal sidii sidii ay gudaha uga shaqeyso. atleast the talks waxay kuu fureen canal wax kuu soo maraan like the new deal dadkaad raadsaneysid intaas kuuma ogala

[Khalid Ali]

Suaal baan ku weydiinaya federal govt ma wax hawiye iyo darood ka dhexeya oo kaliya baa. Mise rahanweyn iyo dirna waxba ku leeyihin. Somaliland has no control over dir or darod votes or hawiye votes. It has basically no influances in your politics. It's like saying hawiye has influances in politics in Hargeysa. As for the talks I don't think you guys have any goodwill to come to an agreement. You like to stall stall and wait. I don't know what u guys are waiting for. But its just a waste of time.
Sheikh dalxiis I don't think he has ever a chance in coming back ma ninka 12 xildhibaan. Ka doortay kuwa mj iyo kuwa dirta. I think if mooge goes there will be a NN mooge kaga tego meesha tana filow sahalow.

As for the aid package lugu heshiiya with hassan sheikh. Sawki mooge la dagaalamay this deal. And made everything back to squere one. Mooge special somaliland deal waki dooonayey in la burburiyo.

I think a better alliance would be an mj president and dir prime minister this could work ka waran taa. Ileen hawiye ilaahay uma qorin madaxweyne. Yeeli waa. Dee walaal meesha nugu kala. Kexeya. Why oppose Somaliland recognition if you don't wanne share power.

your point was Daarood led Govt is better for SL than Hawiye led Govt. this was proven wrong under Mooge who tried to stop your special arrangements. Jamaal told the donors "it was temporary agreement until the southen FMS were formed and now its time for SL to be dealt through with the SFG" waliba PL iyo JL uu ku soo darey in ama ayagana gooni loo siiyo ama FGS SLna loo soo mariyo

ironically SL were allowed to use different mechanisms untill both govts reach settlement. SL was in rush and come up the final files. they didnt get the koonfur mentality "aan isla cuno" ugu danbdyntii waxay keentay in marmarsiye adinka iyo hartida waqooyi ka soo heshiiya.

ma jiro siyaasi hawiye oo gali kara baabka aqoonsiga laakin kuma qasbayaan that is the
difference.

You are right but mooge is an exception. Because he is a tradional daaroodist and is very anti Somaliland.. But for some reason for Somaliland it's good to have a open hostile leader politically in Mogadishu that was farmaajo and it was some how a blessing for Somaliland. Somaliland and somalia were an opposite agendas on all issues in the region and the geopolitics. Where as mooge was entertaining afeweriqi and abiye policy. Somaliland and uhuro and iog grew closer to each other.
Sahal somaliland wasn't in a rush with the talks the talks started in 2012. The idea was to reach an settlement political settlement by 2016. 4 years of talks to come and clarify relations is all right in my eyes. But I guess the hawiyes wanted to stall maybe 40 years. The issue of Somaliland isn't going away you can't ignore. Or are you lot happy with the status quo Somaliland unrecognised and Somalia under amisom colony and UN trusteeship. This isn't both good for us. Also the last statement there is no politician in Somalia or any people In Somalia that can form a threat to somaliland or can force somaliland to do anything. They can hinder a few bussines deals like the livestock ban abdiqasim did in 2001 and farmaajo tried back in 2018.but that's about it they don't form a physical or militaristic threat to Somaliland. The reason why I say the darood are politically confident is they know what is at stake. We will either unite with Somalia or fully seperate. Either by force they defeat us they rule the land. We stand our ground they concede. The hawiye cannot open this talk. Because hawiyes biggest fear. Is if Somaliland is recognised they are scared to death puntland or jubbaland breaks away. But if darood makes a deal with Somaliland. There is no fear for everything. This is way darood is more political confident to make deal with Somaliland that last for ever.

[sahal80]

Suaal baan ku weydiinaya federal govt ma wax hawiye iyo darood ka dhexeya oo kaliya baa. Mise rahanweyn iyo dirna waxba ku leeyihin. Somaliland has no control over dir or darod votes or hawiye votes. It has basically no influances in your politics. It's like saying hawiye has influances in politics in Hargeysa. As for the talks I don't think you guys have any goodwill to come to an agreement. You like to stall stall and wait. I don't know what u guys are waiting for. But its just a waste of time.
Sheikh dalxiis I don't think he has ever a chance in coming back ma ninka 12 xildhibaan. Ka doortay kuwa mj iyo kuwa dirta. I think if mooge goes there will be a NN mooge kaga tego meesha tana filow sahalow.

As for the aid package lugu heshiiya with hassan sheikh. Sawki mooge la dagaalamay this deal. And made everything back to squere one. Mooge special somaliland deal waki dooonayey in la burburiyo.

I think a better alliance would be an mj president and dir prime minister this could work ka waran taa. Ileen hawiye ilaahay uma qorin madaxweyne. Yeeli waa. Dee walaal meesha nugu kala. Kexeya. Why oppose Somaliland recognition if you don't wanne share power.

your point was Daarood led Govt is better for SL than Hawiye led Govt. this was proven wrong under Mooge who tried to stop your special arrangements. Jamaal told the donors "it was temporary agreement until the southen FMS were formed and now its time for SL to be dealt through with the SFG" waliba PL iyo JL uu ku soo darey in ama ayagana gooni loo siiyo ama FGS SLna loo soo mariyo

ironically SL were allowed to use different mechanisms untill both govts reach settlement. SL was in rush and come up the final files. they didnt get the koonfur mentality "aan isla cuno" ugu danbdyntii waxay keentay in marmarsiye adinka iyo hartida waqooyi ka soo heshiiya.

ma jiro siyaasi hawiye oo gali kara baabka aqoonsiga laakin kuma qasbayaan that is the
difference.

You are right but mooge is an exception. Because he is a tradional daaroodist and is very anti Somaliland.. But for some reason for Somaliland it's good to have a open hostile leader politically in Mogadishu that was farmaajo and it was some how a blessing for Somaliland. Somaliland and somalia were an opposite agendas on all issues in the region and the geopolitics. Where as mooge was entertaining afeweriqi and abiye policy. Somaliland and uhuro and iog grew closer to each other.
Sahal somaliland wasn't in a rush with the talks the talks started in 2012. The idea was to reach an settlement political settlement by 2016. 4 years of talks to come and clarify relations is all right in my eyes. But I guess the hawiyes wanted to stall maybe 40 years. The issue of Somaliland isn't going away you can't ignore. Or are you lot happy with the status quo Somaliland unrecognised and Somalia under amisom colony and UN trusteeship. This isn't both good for us. Also the last statement there is no politician in Somalia or any people In Somalia that can form a threat to somaliland or can force somaliland to do anything. They can hinder a few bussines deals like the livestock ban abdiqasim did in 2001 and farmaajo tried back in 2018.but that's about it they don't form a physical or militaristic threat to Somaliland. The reason why I say the darood are politically confident is they know what is at stake. We will either unite with Somalia or fully seperate. Either by force they defeat us they rule the land. We stand our ground they concede. The hawiye cannot open this talk. Because hawiyes biggest fear. Is if Somaliland is recognised they are scared to death puntland or jubbaland breaks away. But if darood makes a deal with Somaliland. There is no fear for everything. This is way darood is more political confident to make deal with Somaliland that last for ever.

I think that no one understands the issue of SL more than the hawiye led Govts because first they believe that you are wronged and committed crimes against you after you chose the unity with your full will. That is why they refuse to repeat the tragedy and want to correct things with your full will again and this is the goal from the talks for them and for SL it was to obtain recognition so they said let us focus on the common issues between us such as foreign grants, humanitarian aid and development wixiina gooni u qaata. This will shine the image of the federal government that it enjoys relations with all it's regions and Somaland and as for SL it makes it an independent entity but SL was determined to open the final files such as unity or secession/recognition and this froze the talks and in the end southerners withdrew from it was replaced by northern members since you wanted the open the final files however, they were better than now and were seeing themselves as Notherners like Qoorsheel, Cali ciise, Ali khalif and Beyle this is why Khatumo opened talks with SL to be part of it under decentralization deal then the Somali Govt would have been able hadii harti waqooyi "dhanka SL lugaha isugu duwdaan" to do something about it. SL couldnt wait all this maya maya masoo galin kartaan qof waqooyi ah! war dhexdiina ka soo dhameesta ninmankaasna PL lama socdaan kuma jiraan mj hadaadba fureysaan filekaas anaga ayagaan eeda dusha ka saari laheen.

waxaa gaari kartey wax kaa dhigaya wax ka duwan koonfurta waxaa jiray xataa doodo tan tanzania iyo zanzibar la mid ah oo reer Mogadishu aaminsanaayeen.

bal fiiri meeshaan waxa horumar la gaarey.
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... Vol_4_2019

[Khalid Ali]

I know all of that hassan sheikh wasn't bad or hostile towards Somaliland. But he wasn't got solutions either he wanted much of the same. Status quo. Qadadada na la qeybsado. And we want to see some action some game changer. You see Ethiopia iyo ereteriya oo uurka is kaga neceb. Xabaalihi mujahidintooda ayay tigraygu so faqeen kuwa ereteriya Oo ku kaadjeen during the badme war 1999. Inaga colaadeena heerka may gaadhi. But Ethiopia wa tanasushay ereteriya. Cajiib. Somaliland and somalia tanasuulkaaase oo kale waligi dhici mayo. The issue with the talks is you guys wanted to have endless Israeli like palestenian talks. And we want results I mean 4 years is quiet warming badan ba dhacay.. For Somalia these talks are optics sementics iyo shine iyo igu sawir for Somaliland waxa weye. Walaalyaal ma shaah Baynu wadda cabna iyo shisha in Istanbul. Mise wixi masiirga ayanu ka wada hadalna. I mean for 2 times they agreed to talk about the elephant in the room.. And when ever they agreed on that. The walanweyn threw their little trick they brought dirty woqoyis and said la sheekeysta loool alla qossal badana. Hawiye si illogical Bay u shaqeyaab siyaasiiyana daroodka aad Bay uga baqaan. Ana waxan berigi hore is weydin jiray nimanka xamar haysta eeh laandheraha. Maxay carabka idinku lalaaldinayaan. And they are not talking serious. Either way Sidan Baynu isku daa waan. Ama waynu kala shaqeysan. Wakhtigu wa qaali. We lost allot because of the lack of recognition. Better investment deal banu imaaraatka lagali lahayn. But may dhicin. In the future we just know that there will never be a break through hadanu gaalku Innugu dhex jirin. There will be some sort of compromise. Laakin hawiyaha dan umaha conpramisekaasi wuxu dan u noqonaya darood iyo Isaaq.

[Khalid Ali]

Dhibic.