Yahye & Morif or Yaya & Mawa? Jinn joke is a post-Islam makeover. Every Sade oddity is a living artifact. MX IS OLD.

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Everything has been there all along; hiding in plain sight

The clan with principality titled Abbogn, the clan with a motto (Qaan MX), the clan with their own singular dance (Goobille), the clan with an emblem (Quule), .......

.... the clan with their own SPIRITS (Yahye & Moorif)

Except they are no Jinns, but the pre-Islamic dieties of Marehan---and Somalis? Is this now a clue that Marehan was in fact the ruling court of pre-Islamic Somalis which is why they and no one else directly inherited the deities?

My God Marehan is OLD.

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Ms Sadia wrote an entire book celebrated for the novelty of a small fertility talisman.

Did she come across the ONLY SOMALI CLAN (Marehan) with subscribed spirits (Yahye and Morif) even more distinct for developing and still exclusively owning their own unique ZAR (healing/expiation ceremony) known as Goobille?

IMAGINE IF SHE DID THAT AND THEN NOTICED THE LINK TO THE CULTURES OF ETHIOPIA' OLDEST SURVIVING NATIONS INCLUDING;

-GURAGE
-KAFA
-GINGERO
-WALAMO
-HADIYA
-DAWARO
AND EVEN
-SIDAMA


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NGM,

Shh let the maestro cook. This is not the moment to challenge him my brother. This is validation of our nobility.

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Deities? Named Yaxya which is an Abrahamic name? I think your mistaken on this one young Idajaa😂
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grandpakhalif wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:01 pm Deities? Named Yaxya which is an Abrahamic name? I think your mistaken on this one young Idajaa😂
Grandpa, in moments like this where you have no proof nor evidence clarifying order of precedence, always remember this;

The 🐔 or the 🥚, which came first?

All chicks hatch 🐣 from an egg, but all eggs are layed by a chicken. So what was the first chicken?

Similarly, post-Islam, we can assume industrial strong bleach was used to wipe everything before that was pagan or pre-Islam.

This means anything that survived was wiped down so well it was sparkling Islam.

Now we know "Yahye" is sparkling Islam, but the question is what was it before the cleaning?

There is 0 evidence that says "Abrahamic Yahye" even existed pre-Islam.

Yet, Yawa/Mawa/Yarro/Yaaya/Tata/Kawa are all

-The Kings of Gurage
-The Kings of Ginjero
-The Sky God of Tambaro and Kaffa
-The Noble class Spirits of Sidama

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And those guys are our closest linguistic and cultural Cushitic kin.

Which brings back to my point, YAHYE OR "YAYA?"

YAHYE AND MOORIF ARE NOT RANDOM, TONGUE IN CHEEK JOKES ABOUT JINNS AND ISLAM.

That's just how it was spinned post-industrial grade bleaching post-Islam.

Furthermore, it is extremely telling that this is not a universal "joke" shared by or common to all or more Somalis.

ONLY Marehan has these "spirits" ascribed to them in Somali culture.

They are ABSOLUTELY "vestiges" (left-over, surviving aspects) of a form of earlier spirituality replaced by Islam and may be not even completely since they are still tethered as a surviving vestigial cultural institution, albeit a highly impotent form of it.
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Deities? Named Yaxya which is an Abrahamic name? I think your mistaken on this one young Idajaa
I agree with you on Yahye but can't help scratch my head around the meaning of "Morif". Does anyone know?

First time I heard about them was in Caracase. I was playing with some kids when one of them saw whirlwind and started saying "Yahye iyo Morif" with some other lines 30X as if it was Ayatul Kursi. Turn to found out, if you don't say their names when u see whirlwind, you get leprosy. For a freak 2 months, I was saying them niggas names everytime I saw a whirlwind. :lol:
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somaliforums wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:55 am
Deities? Named Yaxya which is an Abrahamic name? I think your mistaken on this one young Idajaa
I agree with you on Yahye but can't help scratch my head around the meaning of "Morif". Does anyone know?

First time I heard about them was in Caracase. I was playing with some kids when one of them saw whirlwind and started saying "Yahye iyo Morif" with some other lines 30X as if it was Ayatul Kursi. Turn to found out, if you don't say their names when u see whirlwind, you get leprosy. For a freak 2 months, I was saying them niggas names everytime I saw a whirlwind. :lol:
Brilliant, brilliant :D

Yahye and Moorif is more of a "joke" to us who either grew up in the diaspora or outside of Marehan than it actually even is just like you personally experienced.

Wallahi the first time I realized there is actually a blurred line between urban legend and some reality (and I shared this story before) when an Ogaadeen guy who was part of WSLF accompanying Marehan SNA soldiers who took off their uniforms in agreement with the Kacaan joined Marehan nomads defending Caabudwaaq from capture when Balanbale and Goldagob were taken.

Wallahi this guy was telling me like it was just happening again in front of his eyes how Marehan decided BURGEESOOLE would be stand. He said there is not a crest on Burgeesoole where a 1cm of the ground was visible.

He said except for us small band of WSLF who were already being sheltered by them, it was all Marehan, their guns,


AND TIMACADE, TUURCAS, YAHYE AND MOORIF

He said I kid you not, the valley below Burgeesoole was running a river of blood at the total destruction of the Ethiopian ground forces sent to occupy Caabudwaaq.

And he said all around me, I couldn't even hear the sound of gunfire, the whole valley was TIMACADE KULA HEL, DHASH... YAHYE KULA HEL, DHASH..TUURCAS KULA HEL, DHASH.

Basically, May they guide this shot, followed by gun going off.


And then he said, during the victory feasts in between, before anybody ate, a portion of the feast oday would take it and go off into the distance alone and come back empty handed.

When I asked where is he taking the food, I would be told "Inaga keliya miyaa baahan/Are we the only ones hungry."

I laughed then, but now I clearly see the vestige of institutionalized spiritual offering.

Moorif, I am not ready to share just yet. I am still trying to take it apart.
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TIMACADE KULA HEL, DHASH... YAHYE KULA HEL, DHASH..TUURCAS KULA HEL, DHASH.
I aint gonna lie. I have said and heard kids say those same statement when playing "Waraf" Image
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