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I disagree. National security and counterterrorism needs to be above partisan politics. There needs to be a bipartisan consensus on eliminating these violent extremists. And your thinking isn’t conducive to that goal. Somalia being a state that can handle its own affairs is something that is non-negotiable. I vehemently disagree with you in the strongest terms. The era of the world fixing Somalia’s problems is over! Somalis should take the lead and fix their own issues. And Al Shabaab can’t be fixed by foreigners no matter how many drone strikes they do! You have your right to your secessionist views. But what it sounds like to me is being covert support of the filthy Khawarji rats!BigBreak wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:27 pm Eliminating terrorism is one thing, entirely fixing the failed state that is Somalia is quite another. The SFG controls less than 10% of Somalia and the 3 gareen states can easily turn against Farmajo if they want
This is why most thinking people in Somalia are against this version of federalism. It will become even a bigger headache in the future if things don't change. The good news is many in Somalia are realizing this and working to dismantle it.BigBreak wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:27 pm The 3 gareen states can easily turn against Farmajo if they want
I can’t speak for Puntland but one thing that I respect about them is zero tolerance for Khawarji filth. Secondly, the notion of a civil war is played and out of date! Federalism will remain but what form it takes and what the final constitution looks like is another debate. But a strong centre with federalism isn’t the problem. It’s the same model of the US and Germany which I find tolerable. Puntland has a pragmatic side to it as well. The political dispute between us will be resolved politically not militarily. Jubaland is a state under foreign occupation that has a working relationship with the filthy terrorists. And Madobe hasn’t made significant progress in the last 10 years. There goes your argument right there! However, I’m glad that you have a strong stance against the Khawarji, they are anti peace and development for all of us. Lastly, your views are secessionist, you believe in the sovereignty of Somaliland, which doesn’t bother me but realpolitik dictates it isn’t in your interest for a strong Somalia. Not saying you personally want that but that’s the nature of the beast my friend. And if i was in that situation, I’ll would choose that route! That’s my two cents sxb.BigBreak wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:20 pm RoM I am as staunchly against radical Khawarij scum like yourself but you have to understand, like your cousin Turbulence does, that unless there is a peaceful consensus on what is the nature and design of the Somalian state (civic federalism with strong centre vs clanist confederalism with weak centre) then your country will be be set for a new civil war particularly with JL Ogaden and Puntland enclave. It's illogical fighting kebab only to be dragged back to the square one called 1991
Me being a "secessionist" doesn't have any correlation to what's happening in your country (being pro SL independence does not mean secessionist)
Sound and practical advice! Dismantling their financial apparatus and support is very key!grandpakhalif wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:26 pm As long as they dominate the countryside and continue raking in money from extortion in Xamar and baadiya they dont need big cities to operate anymore government needs to go after the finances
All he [Deni] does is care about is filling his stomach and fighting the last generation’s war instead of seeing opportunities to revival the state power of Somalia to defend its interests and Puntland’s interests (revival of the Somali Navy as Puntland has the longest coastline in Somalia). Our generation doesn’t respect men still stuck in the ‘91 mentality. How will that benefit us and help us defeat Al Shabaab? Those tribalizing SNA. Know your helping the likes of Deni, Cabdi Hashi, Madobe, and HSM who are stuck still in the delusional reality of the past.
MrSinister wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:29 pm Good stuff. I’ve been seeing a lot of positive news from the FGS since Rooble became PM. The recent agreement between FGS and FMS on education is also a positive step. The focus should be on our common interests, the biggest being defeating terrorist scum where ever they are. Building a truly national military will take time, but this is a good start.
Fair point. I’m waiting on that too.original dervish wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:07 pm I'll believe the SNA are winning the war against Al Shabaab when the capture CEEL BUUR.......everything else is just a photo op.
