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How hirshabelle will be amicably resolved after Mooge starting with downsizing of parliament!

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Abgaal and Hawadle based powershering will solve Hirshabelle issue forever. to those who say " you have conflict and was not caused by Fahad and mooge listen Abgaal wasiir Caadle says "Hawadle can take the capital to anywhere they like and they dont have fair representation and no politician was wakiil from them and every thing will be fixed after the federal elections like the parliament"

Hirshabelle's main problem was that it coincided with the electoral process. The former president Hassan Sheikh was buying tribal loyalties by giving them military ranks and State parliamentary seats that were more than their size and some of them did not live in Hirshabelle. This was Hassan Sheikh's problem. The first number of parliament was 70 members although Hawadle were not present at the conference they allocated 14 seats for them while the hosting Abgaal allocated 15 for themselves(this does not include their mudulood sisters )

Galjecel had 6 and gugundhabe 6 but the former withdrew from the conference and joined Hawadle position in Hiiraan saying how can HG get 5 and we 6? but they got 12 seats thanks to this move(joining their big brother hawadle that is wax ay u barteen using us laakin markii waxooda helaann ay naga cararaan that is our mushkilo with them) but the number of hawdale(14) and abagal(15) did not not change and more clans have joined and others get more There have been new tribes such as Murusade who obtained two members thanks to Yahya Hareeri the Secretary General of the Ministry of the Interior. jibril al kutubi from mandheere we will kick you out he is new number added by NISA

What's new now? under Ali Osoble and Waare Hawadle had this position of changing Hirshabelle parliament in which minorities dominate as the president was always threatened by them even if he is Abgaal and now Abgal noticed this danger on Guudlaawe. That is why he is unable to solve the Hiiraan issue because "Xaqsoor clans) threatens him and behind them are Fahad and Mooge. They said we will get rid of this parliament after Mooge and expel the Ethiopian And the Kenyans and those who do not live in the state from the parliament but now they cannot under this government and the Hawadle want a change first. Abagal always listens to Hawadle because they are wiser. They have now found themselves besieged because this parliament is not only against Hawadle but against Abgaal as federal candidates and politicians as Guudlaawe is threatened by the same parliament so they accepted the idea of ​​Hawadle which calls for an increase in the seats of the two tribes and downsizing the others.

why PL is politically stable? Mj are nearly 30 out of the 60 mps.


"28 kursi oo meel ay ka imaadeen aan la aqoon" abgaal dhubkii waa dhadhamiyeen
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7:30 "caasimada in la celiyo ayaa hada taagan" this is the gentleman's agreement kaaley adiga inkir
Gaaljecel local mp started complaining about wahat caadle said


waare wanted to postpone hirshabelle election fir a year so he can fix the parliament first in that year making it Hawadle&Abgaal majority but they come up with Guudlaawe and "Xaqsoor" areey hakaasaarto hee adigaa maskaan ku marjiyay soo dhaweystey :pac:
waare on this issue

from 70 mps to 99 mps

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You can save time next time by just saying in one sentence ‘gentleman agreement back’. Khalaasatul Qawl.
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Sahal, waxaa la rabay in dad walaalo ah qoorta la isu galiyo. Abgaal understood this, Xawaadle understood this. Which is why Xuud was instructed by Xawaadle to stay put. His point was made. No need for bloodshed.
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Interesting. It’s hard to fix something once it’s been established. How would you convince the others clan to accept less representation.

Good luck to Hiirshabeele
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GeoSeven wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:15 pm Sahal, waxaa la rabay in dad walaalo ah qoorta la isu galiyo. Abgaal understood this, Xawaadle understood this. Which is why Xuud was instructed by Xawaadle to stay put. His point was made. No need for bloodshed.
:up: nacam Reer computer mar horeey sheegeen laakin glad abgaal inuu hada arkey meesha laga heesto maaha kaliya hirshabelle waxeey aad ugu saameysay federalka oo ah ujeedada fahad iyo mooge ka lahaayeen. hada waxaa lagu heshiiyay in caasimada abgaal keenaan baarlamaankana dib loo dhigo kadib qashinka ku jira dhan laga saaro.
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MrSinister wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:24 pm How would you convince the others clan to accept less representation.
We got Makane and Shiidle Somali Bantu heavily armed militias defeating Hawiye tribesman in Beled-Weyne and homeboy who lives in one neighborhold of the town keeps dreaming about being "donated" representation in Federal State.

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MrSinister wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:24 pm Interesting. It’s hard to fix something once it’s been established. How would you convince the others clan to accept less representation.

Good luck to Hiirshabeele
First there was 71 seats we can go back to that and then hassan sheikh and odowaa added 28 seats for corruption and 17 seats "oo kor loo hayo" for women asked by beesha caalamka

already the parliament discussed these female mps to be given to hawadle 9 and abgaal 8

so these guys have two choices; 1= go back to the 70 mps and hawadle and mudulood will be half of them. though abgaal are competitors we dont mind this as jareer, arabs, jijeele r pro hawadle we will be on on equal footing on this way let them take gaaljecel, baadicade and HG that is why waare added jareer in the list after hawadle and Abgaal.

lastly Hirshabelle labo beel ay ka koobantahay. dont tell me there r no other clans in PL besides mohamuud saleebaan. PL=mahamuud saleebaan.

Galmudug HG waxa kale waxaa la dhahaa beelaha cirifyada


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too much yar yar reaction on Caadle statement

adeeroow abgaal xaa u tarteen sanadkii tagay? waxba soo maaha? maxaa u diideysaan marka in beesha dhexe ee Hiiraan heshiis la galaan waana sida asalka aheed.

Abgaalow Hirshabelle Hawadle u daaya ayagaa sixi kara. iska horkeenka Abgaal iyo Hawaadle khasaaraha ugu weyn adinka ayuu idin gaarsiiyay. Hawadle vision of Hirshabelle will make Hirshabelle like PL meel aan loo soo gali karin laakin adiga maxaa ka faaiidey pro mooge yaryar oo qoorta sakiin kaaga haya? Laandheerad Hirshabelle is louding!




Wasiir Caadle " Beelaha Xawaadle iyo Abgaal weey ku dulman yihiin maamulka Hirshabeelle"




Sabti, Luulyo, 31, 2021 (HOL) - Wasiirka arrimaha gudaha dowlad goboleedka Hirshabeelle Maxamed Cali Caadle ayaa markii ugu horeysay si faahfaahsan uga hadlay hanaankii lagu dhisay Hirshabeelle.


Wasiir Caadle ayaa sheegay in maamulka Hirshabeelle dhismahiisii koowaad lagu dhisay or orod ayna ku dulman yihiin Beelaha Xawaadle iyo Abgaal.

Waxuu sheegay in Hirshabeelle caqabadaha ugu waa weyn ay la socon la' dahay ay ka mid tahay beesha Xawaadle oo diidaneyd hanaankii loo maray dhismaha Hirshabeelle markii hore iyo markan dambaba.

"Hirshabeelle Beelaha Xawaadle iyo Abgaal way ku dulman yihiin oo iyaga ayaaba maynorati ka ah maamulka sababto ah 99 Xildhibaan oo Hirshabeelle ay ka kooban tahay labada beel Xildhibaanada ay ku leeyihiin marka la isku geeyo waa 29 Xildhibaan inta kalana waa beelaha kale marka 29 laga jaro tiradaas waxay mujineysa ineysan waxba ka aheyn Hirshabeelle Abgaal iyo Xawaadle" ayuu yiri Wasiir Caadle.

Wasiir Caadle ayaa intaasi ku daray in Xildhibaanada Hirshabeelle sharci ahaan markii hore ay ka koobnayeen 71 Xildhibaan balse qancin dheeraad ah oo loo sameynayay cidii tabasho muujisaba in Xildhibaanada loo kordhiyo ayay gaartay 99 Xildhibaan oo aysan xamili karin Hirshabeelle.

"Hirshabeelle waxa jira beelo 6 kursi kulahaa bilowgii oo maanta leh 12 kursi iyo kuwa laha 3 kursi oo maanta leh 6 kursi, iyadoo Xawaadle iyo Abgaalna wali kurastodii aysan waxba ku kordhin waana taasina waxay ka mid tahay caqabadaha jiro oo hortaagan Hirshabeelle" ayuu yiri Wasiir Caadle.

Hadalkan kasoo yeeray wasiirka arrimaha gudaha maamulka Hirshabeelle ayaa imaanaya xili Hirshabeelle jiritaan keeda ay si weyn uga soo horjeedaan beesha Xawaadle oo muddo sideed bilood ah ka hortaagan inuu Baledweyne tago madaxweynaha Hirshabeelle Cali Guudlaawe Xuseen.



"Sadex qodob ayan is leeyahay waa lagu xalin karaa Khilaafka siyaasadeed ee ka jira Maamulka HirShabelle mudada 5-ta sano oo ay dhisan Tahay

Beelaha HirShabelle wada dhistay marka laga hadlaa waxaa ugu waa weyn Beelaha Xawaadle, Abgaal, Gaaljecel, Gugundhabe, Jareer weyne iyo Beelo kale oo Meelaha qaar deggan

Beesha Xawaadle weligeed kuma qancin Dhismaha HirShabelle mar walbana waxey ahayd Beesha kaliya ee Tabasho ka qabtay Howlaha Maamul u saameynta Labada Gobol, Maadaam ay kala Miisaan Culus yihiin balse lalama fahmin duluc-ta ay ka doodayaan oo Beelaha kale ee la deggan Hiiraan ayaa u arkayay Tabashada Beesha Xawaadle fursad ay ku heli karaan Kuraas siyaasadeeda oo badan halka Beesha xawaadle ay ka fakireyso miisaanka uu leeyahay Gobolka Hiiraan inaan si fudud lagu luminin

Sida ay arkayeen Beesha Xawaadle Dhismaha Maamul u saameynta Hiiraan iyo Shabeelaha Dhexe

1. In marka hore Hiiraan laga dhigo Laba Gobol, kadibna la dhiso Maamul ka kooban sadex gobol oo kala ah, Hiiraan, Shabeelaha sarre, Shabeelaha dhexe

2. In saami qeybsiga lagu kala badnaado Bacdamaa ay Hiiraan iyo Shabeelaha sare ay yihiin Labba gobol, Lana midoowayaan Gobolka Gobolka Shabeelaha dhexe oo ah hal gobol

3. In Xildhibaanada HirShabelle lagu kala qeybsado deeggaan iyo Tiro balse aan lagu qeybsanin Nidaamka 4.5

4. In dadka wada deggan 3-da Gobol loo sameeyo dib u Heshiisiin dhab ah

Dhismihii Maamul u saameynta Hiiraan & Shabeelaha Dhexe 2015-2016

Markii ay adkaaday in la xaliyo Tabashada Beesha Xawaadle ayaa waxaa dhacday in horey looga socda Tabashada Beesha xawaadle Lana dhiso Maamulka HirShabeelle, iyadoo lagu dhiso degdeg ah oo boobsiis ah

Wasiirkii Arrimaha Gudaha ee dhisay Maamulka Hiiraan & Shabeelaha dhexe oo ahaa shakhsi aan jecleyn Siyaasada Beesha Xawaadle ayaa sabab u ahaa foolxumadda siyaasadeed iyo is qabqabsiga la xiriira Horusocodka maamulka HirShabelle, Bacdamaa uu boobsiis uu geliyay Dhismihii Maamulka HirShabelle halka Maamulkii uu ka soo Jeeday ee Galmudugna uu dhisay si nabadoon oo awood qeybsigeedu lagu kala sareeyo

Hadaaba maxaa laga dhaxlay dhismaha HirShabelle oo aan ka qeyb ka ahayn Beesha xawaadle

1. In Beelo badan oo aan deggaan Rasmi ah ku ahayn HirShabelle ay heleen Saamiqeybsi aad u farxad geliyay ilaa 42 Xildhibaan ayaa jooga oo aan maanta hal Tuulo aan ku lahayn HirShabelle

2. Madaxweynaha ama Madaxweyne ku xigeenka malahan awoodo badan sababto ah Beelaha ay ka kala dhashteen waxey Barlamaanka ku leeyihiin 29 Mudane, waxeyna ku qasban yihiin iney La Macaamilaan beelaha kale ee heysto aqlabiyadda Barlamaanka oo ah 99 Mudane

3. In Madaxweynaha ama ku xigeenkiisa aysan qaban Karin wax weyn oo horumar ah, sababto ah Golaha wasiirada Beelaha Xawaadle iyo Abgaal waxey ku leeyihiin 10 Wasiir, Halka 15 Wasiir kalena ay jiraan Beelaha kale

4. In mashriicdii laga joojiyay Meelaha ay ku badan yihiin Beelaha Xawaadle iyo Abgaal

Sidee ayuu xalka noqon karaa si loo helo Maamul Cadaalada ah oo lagu wada qanacsan yahay

1. Hadda Lagama gaari karo in la soo dhiso Barlamaanka Cusub balse waxaa jirta Arrimo badan oo xal noqon kara

2. In 17-ka Xildhibaan ee haweenka ah ee la filayo in lagu daro Barlamaanka Maamulka HirShabelle loo kala qeybiyo Beelaha xawaadle iyo Abgaal

3. In Caasimadda laga dhigo Hiiraan meel ka mid ah

4. In Golaha Wasiirada loo badiyo Beelaha Xawaadle iyo Abgaal

5. In Dhismaha Sadexaad ee Maamulka HirShabelle Lagu saxo qaladadkii dhacay Dhismihii Koowaad ee maamulka HirShabelle, xildhibaanadana loo qeybiyo si ku saleysan deeggaan iyo Tiro

6. In Beesha Xawaadle iyo Beesha Abgaal loo sameeyo dib u heshiisiin dhab ah Bacdamaa ay kala tabanayaan Tabashooyin badan

7. In dib loo bilaawo dhismaha Goleyaasha deggaanka, si iyadana Dhaliilaha meelaha qaar ka jira Loogu saxo

Ugu dambeyn aniga waxaan u arkaa inta aan soo gudbiyay xalalka lagu xalin karo Beelaha wada degga Maamulka HirShabelle"

hadalka caadla waxaa ka horeeyay is adgarad labada beelood oo goodax ka qeybqaatey that why i like goodax he can be tuug corrupt he can be daneyste but he puts beesha interests first.

"Sh shariif brought Goodax and Guudlaawe together markaasuu Goodax dhagaha ka raacey guudlawe saying to him worse than what he said about him in the video he called him reer baadiye oo qaabiilada u isticmaalay beesha hawadle and then shariif saud to him "i told you in Jowhar xawaadle waxaan aheen hiiraan kana shaqeeyaan"

i like a man like that. hada abgaalkii aa leh plsease bring back hawadle let us make coalition and Goodax gave them long list like fixing hirshabelle, and making hawadle and abgaal majority in the parliament."

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Beledweyne should be the permanent capital city of HS state, only Hawadle should be the president of HS state and most MPs of the HS state legislature should be either Hawadle or Abgaal

The brothers and sisters from Abgaal who want to rule a federal member state should create a new state made up of Banadir and Lower Shabelle regions for them to always be president of
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BigBreak wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:30 am Beledweyne should be the permanent capital city of HS state, only Hawadle should be the president of HS state and most MPs of the HS state legislature should be either Hawadle or Abgaal

The brothers and sisters from Abgaal who want to rule a federal member state should create a new state made up of Banadir and Lower Shabelle regions for them to always be president of
Thank you brother but the presidency will be rotation. if you listen caadle he says we fear that when hawadle becomes president again the capital will be moved to middle shabelle.

Its better to have a fixed agreement one to take the capital and the other the presidency. Jowhar is like Ceerigaabo and Abgaals are its isaaq who politically dominate it but like dhulbahante and warsangali Gaaljecel and Hawadle are connected to it. if you want to go SL from Jowhar you will go through hawadle side(North west) and if you want to Go Muqdisho from Jowhar you will go through Gaaljecel side(South West) this highway is in the west of the river and Abgaals in the east of the river waliba the river banks on both sides r heavily populated by jareer so between us/highway and Abgaal big barrier until you reach jowhar. why jowhar-balacad road is not safe? bc it goes through "pro al shabaab" gaaljecel up to 30 km/half way. therefore we suggested to Abgaals to move the capital to Cadale wich is 100% Abgaal apart from few reer maanyo in the future and develop its port and connect it to Ethiopia via FeerFeer Hiiraan and leave for us the president. this is the best for Hirshabelle but now nothing can be done under this transitional stage we will take the capital until then.

this is North of Jowhar Hawadle area buurane, dhurweyle, dabeeley, daaifo 10 km from Jowhar then next Hawadle side of Jowhar(laanta baryare/labaad iyo sadexaad)
jowhar is after banaan on the highway but daaifo is west of the highway not in the map. Geoseven Dhurweyle is little halgan cabdalle samatalis and yabarmadaxweyne. dhaaifo is Cabdalle samatalis. buurane is little baladweyne all of beesha.
https://ibb.co/g4bNyLC




Cadale port is 130km from Xamar we can build a road that connects it to the highway at mahadaay or between Mahaday and jalalaqsi
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Not only Hirshabeele's, but all pertinent FMS-related issues shall be amicably resolved upon Dajjal Cawar, AKA 'Mooge' vacating Villa Somalia.
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Brother Sahal your proposal makes more sense and I didn't know that Jowhar is mixed clan wise, I thought it was an Abgaal goof but you corrected me

Is it possible for Somalia to have a third FMS that's Hawiye ruled or will Banadir just be like Washington DC/Islamabad etc
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BigBreak wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:20 pm Brother Sahal your proposal makes more sense and I didn't know that Jowhar is mixed clan wise, I thought it was an Abgaal goof but you corrected me

Is it possible for Somalia to have a third FMS that's Hawiye ruled or will Banadir just be like Washington DC/Islamabad etc
its abgaal city politically also it's proximity to Xamar helps them alot 90km from Xamar and we are concentrated in Baladweyne 220 km from Jowhar.

this is the clan map of Jowhar. see the highway going through gaaljecel south of Jowhar and hawadle north of jowhar
https://ibb.co/yyH2MyM

There has been a demographic change in Jowhar since 2000 when it was conquered by Mohamed dheere and before that he was based in Abd-al-Aziz, Harti-Abagaal neighborhood. he belongs to Warsangali harti Abgaal who resides in Adale which is located on the border between harti and wacbuudhan Abgaal who live in Warsheikh and Ceelmacaan but the Salafis and merchants of Warsangali from Adale established militias and took control of Ceelmacaan port like Xaaji abuukar cadaani, Bashiir raage abd Abdulqadi Osoble and after 10 years they became rich by virtue of being the only port benefiting from the closure of the port of Xamar. Before that, there was only a neighborhood for wacbuudhan in the east(buulosheekh) and two neighborhoods dominated by jareer and arabs in the middle(horseed where the adminstration is based on and kulmis wich is known for its jareer football clubs ) and a western/Qoraxsin neighborhood for Gaaljecel and Hawadle. before mohamed dheere hawadle dominated most of Jowhar(the middle) and this western district, which is called hantiwadaag. when mohamed dheere arrived he clashed with Hawadle and supported Gaaljaal against Hawadle in hantiwadaag but after the war we reached agreement and Hiiraan and Jowhar were close allies there was even some kind of hirshabelle led by omar hashi who is hawadle and mohamed dheere as his deputy.
this is 2000 when mohamed dheere took over Jowhar by supporting Gaaljecel against Hawaadle
https://reliefweb.int/report/somalia/le ... n-fighting
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