The army returned to it's barracks and Hirshabelle vice president will be responsible for the elections!

[sahal80]

Opposition mps spread cheap propaganda that Mooge was behind the army's intervention. A few days ago i was explaining to our friend Nomand that there is a social contract between Hawadle and the Abgaals and that we dont have nothing like Fartaag and the proof is this initiative is led by men from the opposition as hawadle like Sanbalolshe, Ali Osoble, Qoono, ex minister Abdi rizzaq Omar and mp Abdi rizzaq Jindi and that they agreed with Guudlaawe "oo qoortiisa u dhiibtey" to leave Hiiraan for them in agreement with Dabageed only they will fulfill his dream of visiting Baladweyne and when Dhaqanka refused this they tried to move forward with their suicide agenda so two days before the army intervened a plane arrived carrying Abgaals badbaadoqaran officers to tighten Guudlaawes guard. This thing made their local rivals Nuur Dheere(former head of Hirshabelles birmad, and Col Abdullahi Barre(fired abaanduulaha bc of Hirshabelle) and sheerale(taliyaha socdaalka Hirshabelle) ond one officer close from the Ugaas to act quickly so Nuur Dheere catch the plane that was caryying the interior minister who was not aware of the plan to thwart Guudlaawe's visit otherwise why did he come if the army is enough? these officers were fired bc of Hirshabelle and their position from xuud i even predicted here Col abdullahi barres move last year. how can these mucaarad saraakiil when mooge had legitimacy and no officer in Xamar was daring to do this be used by mooge? Nuur Dheere was targeted by Guudlaawe boys now part of badbaadi qaran when waare got weaker remember when he was calling for reconciliation first and Nabar iyo Naxdin was sending delegates to Jowhar to prepare for the election in Jowhar and even his election gudi sided with Guudlaawe after they got the green light from N&N. Somalia wax walbe qabiil waaye staftka guudlaawe dagaalkii Xamar waa ku jireen laakin asaga fahad iyo mooge uu ku xiranyahay
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The army has now returned to its barracks by order from the Ugaas after the Minister of the Interior agreed with him that the vice president would be responsible for the elections abd no need fir Guudlawes visit. interior acts on behakf if Rooble what mooge they r talking about. Rooble said today to beesha caalamka he will fix hirshabelle. f-king mucaarad losers!


shataqey now badbaadoqaran



shalaa la soo fasaxay mooge aa ka danbeeyuu bilaabay

[BigBreak]

Sahal salaam marka hore

All I would say is our Abgaal brothers should remember that when Jowhar was made the capital of HS it was on the condition that Xawadle would always have the presidency of this regional state as stated out loud by then Interior Minister Juha. It is high time Dhabangeed declares he is the new president of HS until the next state election takes place

[barbarossa]

^ For Somaliland, stoking fitna among Wanlaweyns, is a key to attaining their long sought-after Ictiraaf.

[BigBreak]

^ I'm not stoking any fitna whatsoever, completely wrong on your part. I am merely looking to present a clear way out of the problem Hiirshabelle finds itself in. We in Somaliland want a peaceful, united Somalia (aka ex Italian colony) that is a neighbour to my independent country

Multiple times I have proposed that Abgaals should create a new, sixth federated state they dominate consisting of Banadir plus Lower Shabelle

[SultanOrder]

Sounds like you are moving away from the MM, but for the wrongs reasons.

This issue with the elections is part of a larger structural problem. It is not about individuals like Guudlaawr or HS VP. I am going to use the Gentlemen's Agreement as an example about individuals or personalities vs government systems. The Agreement was an executive decision, but it is not here now because the executive recognized something else. It is not even about Farmajo, it could have been any other President after Hassan Sheekh and the Gentlemen's Agreement would have the same vulnerability. That is what happens when something exists as part of a structural problem.

It is funny you in point out Fartaag because he is exactly you when you had the Gentlemen's Agreement. He exists outside of structure. He is part of personalities joyriding along for a moment. Tomorrow he will be you and you are today what he will be tomorrow. HS VP is no different than HS President and what will happen in HS is no different to what happened in J/land, SW, GM, and Puntland. No matter how much you try, you cannot will away what we expect. I am sure even HS Parliament List is already written and ready to be read. It is nothing personal against HS even...the FMS was going to corrupt the process. All that happened is instead of all the FMS being the evil system, a heavy intervention took place that turned half of the system to then be used to fight against the nefarious half. That is all. It is not personal against a clan really.

These old men are badly advised. The reason why they are the only elders out of Somalia's 100+ sub-clans to be talking about "beel" is the same reason why MM was so surprised to find their "personalities" so completely nonexistent when election started. This is not about clans or personalities, this is a battle of Systems. HS right now is not HS, it is a mercenary, outfitted to fight against her old partners in crime...the robbers on the run still with the loot.

It is about time you really, truly understood what has really been going on.

[TarTar]

^ I'm not stoking any fitna whatsoever, completely wrong on your part. I am merely looking to present a clear way out of the problem Hiirshabelle finds itself in. We in Somaliland want a peaceful, united Somalia (aka ex Italian colony) that is a neighbour to my independent country

Multiple times I have proposed that Abgaals should create a new, sixth federated state they dominate consisting of Banadir plus Lower Shabelle

like Budhcadland, Abgal should ignore Federal authority at will.

ex italian colony is in a new age of confederalism where Puntland gets seats for Dolbahante who don't even want or have anything 2 do with Budhcadland

[sahal80]

Sounds like you are moving away from the MM, but for the wrongs reasons.

This issue with the elections is part of a larger structural problem. It is not about individuals like Guudlaawr or HS VP. I am going to use the Gentlemen's Agreement as an example about individuals or personalities vs government systems. The Agreement was an executive decision, but it is not here now because the executive recognized something else. It is not even about Farmajo, it could have been any other President after Hassan Sheekh and the Gentlemen's Agreement would have the same vulnerability. That is what happens when something exists as part of a structural problem.

It is funny you in point out Fartaag because he is exactly you when you had the Gentlemen's Agreement. He exists outside of structure. He is part of personalities joyriding along for a moment. Tomorrow he will be you and you are today what he will be tomorrow. HS VP is no different than HS President and what will happen in HS is no different to what happened in J/land, SW, GM, and Puntland. No matter how much you try, you cannot will away what we expect. I am sure even HS Parliament List is already written and ready to be read. It is nothing personal against HS even...the FMS was going to corrupt the process. All that happened is instead of all the FMS being the evil system, a heavy intervention took place that turned half of the system to then be used to fight against the nefarious half. That is all. It is not personal against a clan really.

These old men are badly advised. The reason why they are the only elders out of Somalia's 100+ sub-clans to be talking about "beel" is the same reason why MM was so surprised to find their "personalities" so completely nonexistent when election started. This is not about clans or personalities, this is a battle of Systems. HS right now is not HS, it is a mercenary, outfitted to fight against her old partners in crime...the robbers on the run still with the loot.

It is about time you really, truly understood what has really been going on.

The problem is that you are like the one who makes fatwa on things he does not understand. You did not understand what I am talking about nor about Reer Hiiraan's position and my criticism of the opposition does not mean that im against them that is what any man of sound mind does. I reject the conspiracy theories about Hiiraan and Baladweyne which are broadcast by media close to the opposition once they say Fahad Yassin is against elections in Baladweyne so he is behind the army's rebellion against the administration so he can say the city is not safe. one of them posted baladweyne ma isi shurqooleysaa mise waa la shirqoolayaa? and once they say that Mooge is behind the intervention of the army because he is against what Guudlaawe delegation from the local opposition is doing in Baladweyne. What is this nonsense? Finally, do not forget that there is a caretaker government so there is no need for opposition and i wrote a thread about this before i said "we dont even need to use the term opposition anymore these days rather MM or stakeholders bc no one is oppossing this caretaker govt who is member of the National consultative forum chaired by Rooble"
The issue here is not about the gentleman's agreement it's about the elections. Reer Hiiraan's position is a realistic one. They accept only officials who hail from Hiiraan like the Hawadle vice president and the Gaaljecel speaker to prove that there is nothing between the two regions. any official from Abgaal is rejected until we return to the gentleman's agreement.

Guudlaawe who failed to visit Baladweyne in his 10 months now wants to use the election card and Reer Hiiraan forced his vice president to be be responsible for Baladweyne elections. you see their realism paid off. please don't talk about the gentleman's agreement this us State won't fuction without it. Even Guudlaawe team and media are saying we r ready for transfare the capital to Hiiraan. yesterday his spokesman Mp carabow was saying we dont mind buuloburde we just dont want baladweyne bc if Hawadle becomes president then we will ask to move the capital to Jowhar so we want Buuloburde. i dont even know what is the different between Buuloburde and Baladweyne except the security issue? if hawadle is the president and Buuloburde is the capital maxaa u yaal abgaal? we reject this bc they will use the security card in their remaining three years to stay in Xamar but Bakadweyne is Big town you have all UN agencies in there and local Xalane you dont need to go to Xamar they will be forced to stay in Baladweyne. We don't want before a heshiis to do with Guudlaawe after the hesheshiis that makes Baladweyne the capital yes he can land.


pro mucaarad guy. Mooge against Guudlaawe

[sahal80]

Sahal salaam marka hore

All I would say is our Abgaal brothers should remember that when Jowhar was made the capital of HS it was on the condition that Xawadle would always have the presidency of this regional state as stated out loud by then Interior Minister Juha. It is high time Dhabangeed declares he is the new president of HS until the next state election takes place

Thank you bro but it's not even Abgaal vs Hawadle so lets us not use their names anymore use guudlaawes. this is admin created by Mooge and wont work until we return to that agreement we dont care who will be the president or who will take the capital. just an admin based upon the trust of both parties.

[SultanOrder]

Sounds like you are moving away from the MM, but for the wrongs reasons.

This issue with the elections is part of a larger structural problem. It is not about individuals like Guudlaawr or HS VP. I am going to use the Gentlemen's Agreement as an example about individuals or personalities vs government systems. The Agreement was an executive decision, but it is not here now because the executive recognized something else. It is not even about Farmajo, it could have been any other President after Hassan Sheekh and the Gentlemen's Agreement would have the same vulnerability. That is what happens when something exists as part of a structural problem.

It is funny you in point out Fartaag because he is exactly you when you had the Gentlemen's Agreement. He exists outside of structure. He is part of personalities joyriding along for a moment. Tomorrow he will be you and you are today what he will be tomorrow. HS VP is no different than HS President and what will happen in HS is no different to what happened in J/land, SW, GM, and Puntland. No matter how much you try, you cannot will away what we expect. I am sure even HS Parliament List is already written and ready to be read. It is nothing personal against HS even...the FMS was going to corrupt the process. All that happened is instead of all the FMS being the evil system, a heavy intervention took place that turned half of the system to then be used to fight against the nefarious half. That is all. It is not personal against a clan really.

These old men are badly advised. The reason why they are the only elders out of Somalia's 100+ sub-clans to be talking about "beel" is the same reason why MM was so surprised to find their "personalities" so completely nonexistent when election started. This is not about clans or personalities, this is a battle of Systems. HS right now is not HS, it is a mercenary, outfitted to fight against her old partners in crime...the robbers on the run still with the loot.

It is about time you really, truly understood what has really been going on.

The problem is that you are like the one who makes fatwa on things he does not understand. You did not understand what I am talking about nor about Reer Hiiraan's position and my criticism of the opposition does not mean that im against them that is what any man of sound mind does. I reject the conspiracy theories about Hiiraan and Baladweyne which are broadcast by media close to the opposition once they say Fahad Yassin is against elections in Baladweyne so he is behind the army's rebellion against the administration so he can say the city is not safe. one of them posted baladweyne ma isi shurqooleysaa mise waa la shirqoolayaa? and once they say that Mooge is behind the intervention of the army because he is against what Guudlaawe delegation from the local opposition is doing in Baladweyne. What is this nonsense? Finally, do not forget that there is a caretaker government so there is no need for opposition and i wrote a thread about this before i said "we dont even need to use the term opposition anymore these days rather MM or stakeholders bc no one is oppossing this caretaker govt who is member of the National consultative forum chaired by Rooble"
The issue here is not about the gentleman's agreement it's about the elections. Reer Hiiraan's position is a realistic one. They accept only officials who hail from Hiiraan like the Hawadle vice president and the Gaaljecel speaker to prove that there is nothing between the two regions. any official from Abgaal is rejected until we return to the gentleman's agreement.

Guudlaawe who failed to visit Baladweyne in his 10 months now wants to use the election card and Reer Hiiraan forced his vice president to be be responsible for Baladweyne elections. you see their realism paid off. please don't talk about the gentleman's agreement this us State won't fuction without it. Even Guudlaawe team and media are saying we r ready for transfare the capital to Hiiraan. yesterday his spokesman Mp carabow was saying we dont mind buuloburde we just dont want baladweyne bc if Hawadle becomes president then we will ask to move the capital to Jowhar so we want Buuloburde. i dont even know what is the different between Buuloburde and Baladweyne except the security issue? if hawadle is the president and Buuloburde is the capital maxaa u yaal abgaal? we reject this bc they will use the security card in their remaining three years to stay in Xamar but Bakadweyne is Big town you have all UN agencies in there and local Xalane you dont need to go to Xamar they will be forced to stay in Baladweyne. We don't want before a heshiis to do with Guudlaawe after the hesheshiis that makes Baladweyne the capital yes he can land.


pro mucaarad guy. Mooge against Guudlaawe

I can respect this. I even learned more about your serious, mature perspective on this issue which is new information to me. It is funny because the whole point of my response was the topic is trivial and so let us get real... and you got real alright.

Free advice never hurt anyone so I will give you one... the reason why I brought up Gentlemen's Agreement is the same reason you should drop it and never use it again to describe anything you want. It is what ambitious is to greedy, obnoxious to funny.....

[sahal80]

Sounds like you are moving away from the MM, but for the wrongs reasons.

This issue with the elections is part of a larger structural problem. It is not about individuals like Guudlaawr or HS VP. I am going to use the Gentlemen's Agreement as an example about individuals or personalities vs government systems. The Agreement was an executive decision, but it is not here now because the executive recognized something else. It is not even about Farmajo, it could have been any other President after Hassan Sheekh and the Gentlemen's Agreement would have the same vulnerability. That is what happens when something exists as part of a structural problem.

It is funny you in point out Fartaag because he is exactly you when you had the Gentlemen's Agreement. He exists outside of structure. He is part of personalities joyriding along for a moment. Tomorrow he will be you and you are today what he will be tomorrow. HS VP is no different than HS President and what will happen in HS is no different to what happened in J/land, SW, GM, and Puntland. No matter how much you try, you cannot will away what we expect. I am sure even HS Parliament List is already written and ready to be read. It is nothing personal against HS even...the FMS was going to corrupt the process. All that happened is instead of all the FMS being the evil system, a heavy intervention took place that turned half of the system to then be used to fight against the nefarious half. That is all. It is not personal against a clan really.

These old men are badly advised. The reason why they are the only elders out of Somalia's 100+ sub-clans to be talking about "beel" is the same reason why MM was so surprised to find their "personalities" so completely nonexistent when election started. This is not about clans or personalities, this is a battle of Systems. HS right now is not HS, it is a mercenary, outfitted to fight against her old partners in crime...the robbers on the run still with the loot.

It is about time you really, truly understood what has really been going on.

The problem is that you are like the one who makes fatwa on things he does not understand. You did not understand what I am talking about nor about Reer Hiiraan's position and my criticism of the opposition does not mean that im against them that is what any man of sound mind does. I reject the conspiracy theories about Hiiraan and Baladweyne which are broadcast by media close to the opposition once they say Fahad Yassin is against elections in Baladweyne so he is behind the army's rebellion against the administration so he can say the city is not safe. one of them posted baladweyne ma isi shurqooleysaa mise waa la shirqoolayaa? and once they say that Mooge is behind the intervention of the army because he is against what Guudlaawe delegation from the local opposition is doing in Baladweyne. What is this nonsense? Finally, do not forget that there is a caretaker government so there is no need for opposition and i wrote a thread about this before i said "we dont even need to use the term opposition anymore these days rather MM or stakeholders bc no one is oppossing this caretaker govt who is member of the National consultative forum chaired by Rooble"
The issue here is not about the gentleman's agreement it's about the elections. Reer Hiiraan's position is a realistic one. They accept only officials who hail from Hiiraan like the Hawadle vice president and the Gaaljecel speaker to prove that there is nothing between the two regions. any official from Abgaal is rejected until we return to the gentleman's agreement.

Guudlaawe who failed to visit Baladweyne in his 10 months now wants to use the election card and Reer Hiiraan forced his vice president to be be responsible for Baladweyne elections. you see their realism paid off. please don't talk about the gentleman's agreement this us State won't fuction without it. Even Guudlaawe team and media are saying we r ready for transfare the capital to Hiiraan. yesterday his spokesman Mp carabow was saying we dont mind buuloburde we just dont want baladweyne bc if Hawadle becomes president then we will ask to move the capital to Jowhar so we want Buuloburde. i dont even know what is the different between Buuloburde and Baladweyne except the security issue? if hawadle is the president and Buuloburde is the capital maxaa u yaal abgaal? we reject this bc they will use the security card in their remaining three years to stay in Xamar but Bakadweyne is Big town you have all UN agencies in there and local Xalane you dont need to go to Xamar they will be forced to stay in Baladweyne. We don't want before a heshiis to do with Guudlaawe after the hesheshiis that makes Baladweyne the capital yes he can land.


pro mucaarad guy. Mooge against Guudlaawe

I can respect this. I even learned more about your serious, mature perspective on this issue which is new information to me. It is funny because the whole point of my response was the topic is trivial and so let us get real... and you got real alright.

Free advice never hurt anyone so I will give you one... the reason why I brought up Gentlemen's Agreement is the same reason you should drop it and never use it again to describe anything you want. It is what ambitious is to greedy, obnoxious to funny.....

lol im always mature my Xerow sxb and the topic is not trivial "Hirshabelle vice president will be responsible for Baladweyne elections!" means we will elect our mps in Baladweyne without us being between two options; Either welcome Guudlawe or no elections will take place in Baladweyne only In Jowhar who says that? Guudlaawe and pro oppsition media like this guy maxay kula tahay adiga. i have proven that I understand more them when it comes to our local issues. This will be the official Rooble position soon and the interior minister who is now in Baladweyne reached it with Dhaqanka.