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Posted: **Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:29 am**

The only State in which you hear a real dispute between the president and the vice president is Hirshabelle and the reason is that the power is divided on a tribal and regional basis. Waare once said he dealt with his vice president cleverly so that Villa Somalia would not take advantage of him and the others clan is influential in the capital and now Guudlaawe is facing Dabgeed in Baladweyne before the capital was moved into it and the local politicians are with the president who is weaker in there. The power in PL and JL is concentrated in the hands of one clan who controls the capital and the president is from them so you see Dani and Madoobe appointing the mps from other clans because they do not have influence and political weight in the capital. There was a conflict in Boosaaso between Reer Galkacyo and Reer Qardho so they decided to move the capital to a middle place like Garowe and a third party(Reer Faroole) appeared from nowhere to balance the power in the state. this is the secret of PL stability but the non Mj clans will alweys be subject to them so PL needs more decentralization and inclusivity like to elect the federal mps in more than two cities so they can truely represent their clans.

The Galmudug agreement between HG where Dhuusamareeb takes the capital and cadaado the Parliament and mudug(hobyo) the president balances power. the solution is not in the retard Farmaajo outdated program to militarize society in there like he did in Gedo it needs a bottom-up approach and political coohibitan, reconciliation and social contract. Somalis are a tribal society and their political system must be tribal like the Gulf states

if the president from the FMS hails from one subclan and region the capital must to allocated for the other clan and region this will result a system of checks and balances in the State where each one checks or holds back the other one and this helps to keep the balance of power in the State.

listen to the local polticians like Goodah who was against Guudlaawe but now supporting him against Dabageed in Baladweyne!

https://fb.watch/bCEUiiNS0C/

Posted: **Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:57 am**

Ustaadow i agree with you to an extend, but the reality is that this is Africa that is well known for Victor Takes All mentality, and not heshiisyo democratic ah like The West, and even the Somalia's states (SL, GM, JL and PL) had their ongoing civil-war for winner takes all.

Yacni dunidu heshiis kuma dhisna lakin waxay ku dhisantahay xoog iyo kala adgeen, so i foresee that GM, HS and JL will continue their mini civil-war until Victor emerges.

Galmudug needs to fully eradicate Shia's aswj.

Hirshabelle needs Victors peace between the 2 beel (Hiiraan & S/Dhexe).

Jubaland also needs a total Victor (Kablalax&Kenya against Marexaans).

As for Koonfur Galbeed, they are Mogadishu's Play-state, meaning they are not a real state, but an puppet state controlled by whomever controls Mogadishu Central State.

Both SL and PL had they total Victor in their civil wars where victors emerged which stabilized their states, SL (Jeegan Alliance HA & HJ), PL (Cisa and Cusman alliance).

Posted: **Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:12 am**

Kees70 wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:57 am Ustaadow i agree with you to an extend, but the reality is that this is Africa that is well known for Victor Takes All mentality, and not heshiisyo democratic ah like The West, and even the Somalia's states (SL, GM, JL and PL) had their ongoing civil-war for winner takes all.

Yacni dunidu heshiis kuma dhisna lakin waxay ku dhisantahay xoog iyo kala adgeen, so i foresee that GM, HS and JL will continue their mini civil-war until Victor emerges.

Galmudug needs to fully eradicate Shia's aswj.

Hirshabelle needs Victors peace between the 2 beel (Hiiraan & S/Dhexe).

Jubaland also needs a total Victor (Kablalax&Kenya against Marexaans).

As for Koonfur Galbeed, they are Mogadishu's Play-state, meaning they are not a real state, but an puppet state controlled by whomever controls Mogadishu Central State.

Both SL and PL had they total Victor in their civil wars where victors emerged which stabilized their states, SL (Jeegan Alliance HA & HJ), PL (Cisa and Cusman alliance).

yes i know Galmudug needs to get rid of Suufa who r controlled by ahlu qubuur yuusuf direed and are proxy militias on behalf of other external entities and bc Duusamareeb is the capital wich should be clean from their backwardness but qoorqoor reached heshiis with Cabsiiye Ceyr and made ina macalin maxmuud an mp only the Dajaal shaakir is left behind. what im talking about is the social contract and clan powersharing like the capital vs the presidency and power rotation. even if they got defeated the Ceyr will still matter in Dhuusamareeb politically and let us not forget this is HG-dominated State where Ceyr see QoorQoor or Xaaf or Guuleed as their fellow clan members and go war together not like PunJub or Hirshabelle. my point is if we want the things to faction in the FMS justly they should have Gentleman's Agreement to ensure the existance of checks and balances where no side has absolute control over the power. Hirshabelle will be based on rotation and the capital and vice president will go together at any adminstration not static(wixii shaley saarnaa madaxweyne ku xigeenka hala wareejiyo)

Posted: **Tue Mar 08, 2022 5:17 am**

sahal80 wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:12 am
Kees70 wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:57 am Ustaadow i agree with you to an extend, but the reality is that this is Africa that is well known for Victor Takes All mentality, and not heshiisyo democratic ah like The West, and even the Somalia's states (SL, GM, JL and PL) had their ongoing civil-war for winner takes all.

Yacni dunidu heshiis kuma dhisna lakin waxay ku dhisantahay xoog iyo kala adgeen, so i foresee that GM, HS and JL will continue their mini civil-war until Victor emerges.

Galmudug needs to fully eradicate Shia's aswj.

Hirshabelle needs Victors peace between the 2 beel (Hiiraan & S/Dhexe).

Jubaland also needs a total Victor (Kablalax&Kenya against Marexaans).

As for Koonfur Galbeed, they are Mogadishu's Play-state, meaning they are not a real state, but an puppet state controlled by whomever controls Mogadishu Central State.

Both SL and PL had they total Victor in their civil wars where victors emerged which stabilized their states, SL (Jeegan Alliance HA & HJ), PL (Cisa and Cusman alliance).
yes i know Galmudug needs to get rid of Suufa who r controlled by ahlu qubuur yuusuf direed and are proxy militias on behalf of other external entities and bc Duusamareeb is the capital wich should be clean from their backwardness but qoorqoor reached heshiis with Cabsiiye Ceyr and made ina macalin maxmuud an mp only the Dajaal shaakir is left behind. what im talking about is the social contract and clan powersharing like the capital vs the presidency and power rotation. even if they got defeated the Ceyr will still matter in Dhuusamareeb politically and let us not forget this is HG-dominated State where Ceyr see QoorQoor or Xaaf or Guuleed as their fellow clan members and go war together not like PunJub or Hirshabelle. my point is if we want the things to faction in the FMS justly they should have Gentleman's Agreement to ensure the existance of checks and balances where no side has absolute control over the power. Hirshabelle will be based on rotation and the capital and vice president will go together at any adminstration not static(wixii shaley saarnaa madaxweyne ku xigeenka hala wareejiyo)

I agree with you 100% Ustaadow, there needs to be an social contract for any state to function, and this is the very problem that's holding back jubaland with it's Gedo fiasco where the social contract is based not internally but in Nairobi under kikuyes say.

All states as you said ustaad Sahal will eventually settles when they have reached their social agreement.

Posted: **Tue Mar 08, 2022 5:53 am**

Kees70 wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 5:17 am
sahal80 wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:12 am
Kees70 wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:57 am Ustaadow i agree with you to an extend, but the reality is that this is Africa that is well known for Victor Takes All mentality, and not heshiisyo democratic ah like The West, and even the Somalia's states (SL, GM, JL and PL) had their ongoing civil-war for winner takes all.

Yacni dunidu heshiis kuma dhisna lakin waxay ku dhisantahay xoog iyo kala adgeen, so i foresee that GM, HS and JL will continue their mini civil-war until Victor emerges.

Galmudug needs to fully eradicate Shia's aswj.

Hirshabelle needs Victors peace between the 2 beel (Hiiraan & S/Dhexe).

Jubaland also needs a total Victor (Kablalax&Kenya against Marexaans).

As for Koonfur Galbeed, they are Mogadishu's Play-state, meaning they are not a real state, but an puppet state controlled by whomever controls Mogadishu Central State.

Both SL and PL had they total Victor in their civil wars where victors emerged which stabilized their states, SL (Jeegan Alliance HA & HJ), PL (Cisa and Cusman alliance).
yes i know Galmudug needs to get rid of Suufa who r controlled by ahlu qubuur yuusuf direed and are proxy militias on behalf of other external entities and bc Duusamareeb is the capital wich should be clean from their backwardness but qoorqoor reached heshiis with Cabsiiye Ceyr and made ina macalin maxmuud an mp only the Dajaal shaakir is left behind. what im talking about is the social contract and clan powersharing like the capital vs the presidency and power rotation. even if they got defeated the Ceyr will still matter in Dhuusamareeb politically and let us not forget this is HG-dominated State where Ceyr see QoorQoor or Xaaf or Guuleed as their fellow clan members and go war together not like PunJub or Hirshabelle. my point is if we want the things to faction in the FMS justly they should have Gentleman's Agreement to ensure the existance of checks and balances where no side has absolute control over the power. Hirshabelle will be based on rotation and the capital and vice president will go together at any adminstration not static(wixii shaley saarnaa madaxweyne ku xigeenka hala wareejiyo)
I agree with you 100% Ustaadow, there needs to be an social contract for any state to function, and this is the very problem that's holding back jubaland with it's Gedo fiasco where the social contract is based not internally but in Nairobi under kikuyes say.

All states as you said ustaad Sahal will eventually settles when they have reached their social agreement.

as for JL, Mx should have a back-up plan like Gedo if Kismaayo fails. Hawadle are native to jowhar and infact the governor was from them before the 90s and they have dozens of villages under it but they never talk about it why bc they want something special to them. North of Jowhar to Hiiraan is Hawadle all the way infact hawadle are closer to Jowhar airport on the west of the river than Abgaals in the east of the river. Jowhar is just like Ceerigaabo where Isaaq abd harti Daarood meet. Hawadle settles in its North west, Abgaal settles in its Eest and Gaaljecel in its South. Highway goes through Hawadle in its North and Gaaljecel in its south up to 30km half way to Balcad wich is why its not safe for being pro Al Shabaab.

Posted: **Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:06 am**

The only thing wrong with this is "Farmaajo militarized Gedo." No he didn't, there is no state where more government soldiers were sent then Galmudug. 120 people died in Guriceel just recently to stop the Sufis from taking Dhusamareb. It is also the state where power is more concentrated because of Farmaajo's military support to Qoorqoor. There is really no " state apparatus". With Jubbaland, there is no such concentration of power. Middle Jubba is controlled by Shabab and Gedo is completely free of Madoobe's influence. Hirshabelle is as nonexistent as Jubbaland as well and Puntland's contract has been destroyed by Deni not to mention the way it existed until now was a temporary civil war solution and as the country moves forward with permanent system it no longer can function as the transitional system it was.

There is really no "federal state" that has true federal structure bthan Koonfur Galbeed.People who see each other as 1, have internal cohesion, want each other and see each other as sharing the same interests and destiny, and united as a group within the national state because of distinct dialect, culture, and way of life. Koonfur Galbeed is the only true Federal State. They may have political differences within about that seat and this leader but within their understanding and acceptance of each other as a single unitary group.

Everything else is a fake, surface system that on the ground does not exist.

Posted: **Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:10 am**

SultanOrder wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:06 am .

What's good for the goose is also good for the gander. If Sahal says the presidency and capital city of an FMS shouldn't both be in the hands of a single subclan/family then nationally the presidency and capital city of the whole country shouldn't both be in the hands of a single clan, namely Hawiye

Posted: **Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:39 am**

Here’s the reality in Gedo region. All the major towns are Alshabab free yes but you can’t cross from one town to another that’s literally a death trap. The capital of the region itself is a small village settled by a sub subclan of Reer Diini. When there’s a Halaal Gedo region established the capital in the future will have to be changed to Baardheere because that’s the most diverse town with Ogaden, Rahaweyne & minority Marehan living there. Here’s Alshabab sending aid to the rural occupied parts of Gedo region which accounts for roughly around 70% of the region. So I laugh when I see Farmaajo and his bots saying “we’ve liberated gedo” hahaha.

Here’s Mohamed Kooshin a former support of warlord Mucalimo and now ex supporter of warlord Bulle Canjeex telling the truth about the security issue in Gedo region. This guy was the former advisor of the warlords calling themselves “governors” in Gedo region. He even states that crossing over from Beledxaawo to Doolow “Faataxo lagu sii Maraa” because of the fear they have for Alshabab.

just few weeks ago Alshabab laid an economic siege on the town of Beledxaawo and told them to pay taxes or else.

https://fb.watch/bD5qGDzVIS/

Posted: **Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:48 am**

Kees70 wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 5:17 am
sahal80 wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:12 am
Kees70 wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:57 am Ustaadow i agree with you to an extend, but the reality is that this is Africa that is well known for Victor Takes All mentality, and not heshiisyo democratic ah like The West, and even the Somalia's states (SL, GM, JL and PL) had their ongoing civil-war for winner takes all.

Yacni dunidu heshiis kuma dhisna lakin waxay ku dhisantahay xoog iyo kala adgeen, so i foresee that GM, HS and JL will continue their mini civil-war until Victor emerges.

Galmudug needs to fully eradicate Shia's aswj.

Hirshabelle needs Victors peace between the 2 beel (Hiiraan & S/Dhexe).

Jubaland also needs a total Victor (Kablalax&Kenya against Marexaans).

As for Koonfur Galbeed, they are Mogadishu's Play-state, meaning they are not a real state, but an puppet state controlled by whomever controls Mogadishu Central State.

Both SL and PL had they total Victor in their civil wars where victors emerged which stabilized their states, SL (Jeegan Alliance HA & HJ), PL (Cisa and Cusman alliance).
yes i know Galmudug needs to get rid of Suufa who r controlled by ahlu qubuur yuusuf direed and are proxy militias on behalf of other external entities and bc Duusamareeb is the capital wich should be clean from their backwardness but qoorqoor reached heshiis with Cabsiiye Ceyr and made ina macalin maxmuud an mp only the Dajaal shaakir is left behind. what im talking about is the social contract and clan powersharing like the capital vs the presidency and power rotation. even if they got defeated the Ceyr will still matter in Dhuusamareeb politically and let us not forget this is HG-dominated State where Ceyr see QoorQoor or Xaaf or Guuleed as their fellow clan members and go war together not like PunJub or Hirshabelle. my point is if we want the things to faction in the FMS justly they should have Gentleman's Agreement to ensure the existance of checks and balances where no side has absolute control over the power. Hirshabelle will be based on rotation and the capital and vice president will go together at any adminstration not static(wixii shaley saarnaa madaxweyne ku xigeenka hala wareejiyo)
I agree with you 100% Ustaadow, there needs to be an social contract for any state to function, and this is the very problem that's holding back jubaland with it's Gedo fiasco where the social contract is based not internally but in Nairobi under kikuyes say.

All states as you said ustaad Sahal will eventually settles when they have reached their social agreement.

Maxaa kaa galay Jubbaland or Gedo region. You have no say init whatsoever Mr Dugaag. Marehan & Ogaden will eventually settle their disputes but we don’t need 3rd party Poopers having their say. Mind your bussiness sxb

Posted: **Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:26 am**

sahal80 wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:29 am The only State in which you hear a real dispute between the president and the vice president is Hirshabelle and the reason is that the power is divided on a tribal and regional basis. Waare once said he dealt with his vice president cleverly so that Villa Somalia would not take advantage of him and the others clan is influential in the capital and now Guudlaawe is facing Dabgeed in Baladweyne before the capital was moved into it and the local politicians are with the president who is weaker in there. The power in PL and JL is concentrated in the hands of one clan who controls the capital and the president is from them so you see Dani and Madoobe appointing the mps from other clans because they do not have influence and political weight in the capital. There was a conflict in Boosaaso between Reer Galkacyo and Reer Qardho so they decided to move the capital to a middle place like Garowe and a third party(Reer Faroole) appeared from nowhere to balance the power in the state. this is the secret of PL stability but the non Mj clans will alweys be subject to them so PL needs more decentralization and inclusivity like to elect the federal mps in more than two cities so they can truely represent their clans.

The Galmudug agreement between HG where Dhuusamareeb takes the capital and cadaado the Parliament and mudug(hobyo) the president balances power. the solution is not in the retard Farmaajo outdated program to militarize society in there like he did in Gedo it needs a bottom-up approach and political coohibitan, reconciliation and social contract. Somalis are a tribal society and their political system must be tribal like the Gulf states

if the president from the FMS hails from one subclan and region the capital must to allocated for the other clan and region this will result a system of checks and balances in the State where each one checks or holds back the other one and this helps to keep the balance of power in the State.

listen to the local polticians like Goodah who was against Guudlaawe but now supporting him against Dabageed in Baladweyne!

https://fb.watch/bCEUiiNS0C/

I’d be Damnmed if a landhere like me is ruled by a xawadle wallahi. And stop lying. Xl only live in a pocket north of jowhar and that’s it.they don’t stretch until hiran by themselves. Not until they reach hiraan. From jowhar to jalaaqsi is agoonyare. Are you gonna claim mahaday next? Guudlawe has you in his poecket in hirshabelle same way Ahmed daaci abused you in medina. The only place you guys are found in xamar. Give me a break and accept your not equal to harti abgaal let alone abgaal itself.being equal to Mudulood shouldn’t even be thought of lol

Posted: **Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:30 am**

Kees70 wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:57 am Ustaadow i agree with you to an extend, but the reality is that this is Africa that is well known for Victor Takes All mentality, and not heshiisyo democratic ah like The West, and even the Somalia's states (SL, GM, JL and PL) had their ongoing civil-war for winner takes all.

Yacni dunidu heshiis kuma dhisna lakin waxay ku dhisantahay xoog iyo kala adgeen, so i foresee that GM, HS and JL will continue their mini civil-war until Victor emerges.

Galmudug needs to fully eradicate Shia's aswj.

Hirshabelle needs Victors peace between the 2 beel (Hiiraan & S/Dhexe).

Jubaland also needs a total Victor (Kablalax&Kenya against Marexaans).

As for Koonfur Galbeed, they are Mogadishu's Play-state, meaning they are not a real state, but an puppet state controlled by whomever controls Mogadishu Central State.

Both SL and PL had they total Victor in their civil wars where victors emerged which stabilized their states, SL (Jeegan Alliance HA & HJ), PL (Cisa and Cusman alliance).

Nice to meet you again kees70. This is trapmacalin from sspot. Saaxib you have real cuqdad towards abgaal so much so you side with xawadle over your own hiraab great great nephew abgaal. And stop spewing bullshit that hg are more dominant than abgaal in xamar. You know godamn same way we are majority and dominant in wadajir and dharkenly in south Mogadishu, you guys also have numbers in huriwa in north Mogadishu. That whole south and north is just politics. Abgaal are majority in 9 districts and are top three in every other. Hg only dominant in three and those are the houses of daroods and isaaqs pre 1991 yaa ahlul tuug. Abg were never majority in places you guys live

Posted: **Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:31 am**

Posted: **Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:42 am**

Amin5457 wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:30 am
Kees70 wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:57 am Ustaadow i agree with you to an extend, but the reality is that this is Africa that is well known for Victor Takes All mentality, and not heshiisyo democratic ah like The West, and even the Somalia's states (SL, GM, JL and PL) had their ongoing civil-war for winner takes all.

Yacni dunidu heshiis kuma dhisna lakin waxay ku dhisantahay xoog iyo kala adgeen, so i foresee that GM, HS and JL will continue their mini civil-war until Victor emerges.

Galmudug needs to fully eradicate Shia's aswj.

Hirshabelle needs Victors peace between the 2 beel (Hiiraan & S/Dhexe).

Jubaland also needs a total Victor (Kablalax&Kenya against Marexaans).

As for Koonfur Galbeed, they are Mogadishu's Play-state, meaning they are not a real state, but an puppet state controlled by whomever controls Mogadishu Central State.

Both SL and PL had they total Victor in their civil wars where victors emerged which stabilized their states, SL (Jeegan Alliance HA & HJ), PL (Cisa and Cusman alliance).
Nice to meet you again kees70. This is trapmacalin from sspot. Saaxib you have real cuqdad towards abgaal so much so you side with xawadle over your own hiraab great great nephew abgaal. And stop spewing bullshit that hg are more dominant than abgaal in xamar. You know godamn same way we are majority and dominant in wadajir and dharkenly in south Mogadishu, you guys also have numbers in huriwa in north Mogadishu. That whole south and north is just politics. Abgaal are majority in 9 districts and are top three in every other. Hg only dominant in three and those are the houses of daroods and isaaqs pre 1991 yaa ahlul tuug. Abg were never majority in places you guys live

Wcs brother trapmacalin and welcome, walaal there is no cuqdad or any hatred here, it's just political competition between us Hiraabs and Xawadle, Aniga to be honest would have loved if Abgaal had annexed Lower Shabelle and made their states even bigger, therefore making isqabqabsi between Abgaal and Xawadle practically ZERO.

Again brother I meant no ill intention here, I just stated all that is wrong in Somalia's states and even included Galmudugs isqabqabsi with their Shia's aswj, so you see it's a State wide problems I mentioned, so I hope you understand now.

P,s I never mentioned Mogadishu demographics here.

Posted: **Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:46 am**

Kees70 wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:42 am
Amin5457 wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:30 am
Kees70 wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:57 am Ustaadow i agree with you to an extend, but the reality is that this is Africa that is well known for Victor Takes All mentality, and not heshiisyo democratic ah like The West, and even the Somalia's states (SL, GM, JL and PL) had their ongoing civil-war for winner takes all.

Yacni dunidu heshiis kuma dhisna lakin waxay ku dhisantahay xoog iyo kala adgeen, so i foresee that GM, HS and JL will continue their mini civil-war until Victor emerges.

Galmudug needs to fully eradicate Shia's aswj.

Hirshabelle needs Victors peace between the 2 beel (Hiiraan & S/Dhexe).

Jubaland also needs a total Victor (Kablalax&Kenya against Marexaans).

As for Koonfur Galbeed, they are Mogadishu's Play-state, meaning they are not a real state, but an puppet state controlled by whomever controls Mogadishu Central State.

Both SL and PL had they total Victor in their civil wars where victors emerged which stabilized their states, SL (Jeegan Alliance HA & HJ), PL (Cisa and Cusman alliance).
Nice to meet you again kees70. This is trapmacalin from sspot. Saaxib you have real cuqdad towards abgaal so much so you side with xawadle over your own hiraab great great nephew abgaal. And stop spewing bullshit that hg are more dominant than abgaal in xamar. You know godamn same way we are majority and dominant in wadajir and dharkenly in south Mogadishu, you guys also have numbers in huriwa in north Mogadishu. That whole south and north is just politics. Abgaal are majority in 9 districts and are top three in every other. Hg only dominant in three and those are the houses of daroods and isaaqs pre 1991 yaa ahlul tuug. Abg were never majority in places you guys live
Wcs brother trapmacalin and welcome, walaal there is no cuqdad or any hatred here, it's just political competition between us Hiraabs and Xawadle, Aniga to be honest would have loved if Abgaal had annexed Lower Shabelle and made their states even bigger, therefore making isqabqabsi between Abgaal and Xawadle practically ZERO.

Again brother I meant no ill intention here, I just stated all that is wrong in Somalia's states and even included Galmudugs isqabqabsi with their Shia's aswj, so you see it's a State wife problems I mentioned, so I hope you understand now.

P,s I never mentioned Mogadishu demographics here.

No problem. I just see you attack abgaal here and there a few times. Saaxib I see hg as brothers. You have to realise lineage wise, ilmo hiraab are like Mohamed salabeen of MJ. That’s how landheere we are. I am genuinely happy for galmudug state as my reer abti waceysle are there. But it’s in the best interest for hg that abgaal lead hirshabelle. As you guys can pave your way even further into lower shabelle if that’s what you wish. Standing up for langaab XL serves no purpose

Posted: **Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:02 am**

Amin5457 wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:46 am
Kees70 wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:42 am
Amin5457 wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:30 am

Nice to meet you again kees70. This is trapmacalin from sspot. Saaxib you have real cuqdad towards abgaal so much so you side with xawadle over your own hiraab great great nephew abgaal. And stop spewing bullshit that hg are more dominant than abgaal in xamar. You know godamn same way we are majority and dominant in wadajir and dharkenly in south Mogadishu, you guys also have numbers in huriwa in north Mogadishu. That whole south and north is just politics. Abgaal are majority in 9 districts and are top three in every other. Hg only dominant in three and those are the houses of daroods and isaaqs pre 1991 yaa ahlul tuug. Abg were never majority in places you guys live
Wcs brother trapmacalin and welcome, walaal there is no cuqdad or any hatred here, it's just political competition between us Hiraabs and Xawadle, Aniga to be honest would have loved if Abgaal had annexed Lower Shabelle and made their states even bigger, therefore making isqabqabsi between Abgaal and Xawadle practically ZERO.

Again brother I meant no ill intention here, I just stated all that is wrong in Somalia's states and even included Galmudugs isqabqabsi with their Shia's aswj, so you see it's a State wife problems I mentioned, so I hope you understand now.

P,s I never mentioned Mogadishu demographics here.
No problem. I just see you attack abgaal here and there a few times. Saaxib I see hg as brothers. You have to realise lineage wise, ilmo hiraab are like Mohamed salabeen of MJ. That’s how landheere we are. I am genuinely happy for galmudug state as my reer abti waceysle are there. But it’s in the best interest for hg that abgaal lead hirshabelle. As you guys can pave your way even further into lower shabelle if that’s what you wish. Standing up for langaab XL serves no purpose

I understand brother, and also to be fair I never attacked Abgaals alone, I attacked any clan who attacked mine, you see it's just empty FKD, just weeks ago we had HG vs Ogaden with our brother Rebelx above, all this is just a pastime empty entertainment called FKD, and it's as they say no clan (except langaabs) are safe under the FKD game, it's a free for all Battle-royal

P,s Beesha Xawadle they are gob and one of the top 3 HAGs in terms of the power structure in our hierarchy, this is why they deserve our utmost respect and also this fiasco in Hirshabelle created by Farmaajo will also be fixed soon inshAllahi, so let's wait patiently, you even saw how our gob Xawadle brothers welcomed Cali Guudlawe, marka sxb Abgaal and Xawadle are brothers and allies.

And also our Ustaad Sahal you mistakenly attacked here, is one of our distinguished HAGists here on this site Somnet, marka sxb show him some huge love and respect.

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