HodanSomali, over year ago, I defended your right 2 dissent/free expression & 4 inclusivity. Pls read it re:Jamal stmnt.

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HodanSomali, over year ago, I defended your right 2 dissent/free expression & 4 inclusivity. Pls read it re:Jamal stmnt.

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Ma'am,

You expressed these sentiments today;



Without giving a response to your statement, I offer here for your perusal the thoughts I was inspired to share on your behalf when just a little over a year ago, you came under serious social media fire for exercising your freedom of expression and your right to dissent.

Identifying myself very clearly as a Nabad&Nolol supporter and making no allusions about my own right to politically disagree with you, I, nevertheless, defended;

  1. First and foremost, your humanity
  2. Your right to free expression (and my right to disagree with it)
  3. The legitimacy of dissent; your right to petition
  4. And just as importantly, I argued for engagement and highlighted the responsibility and moral obligation for inclusivity and bringing you in without preconditions.
As I said, HAVING A DIFFERENT POLITICAL OPINION OR POSITION IS NOT DELEGITIMIZING.

Your statements today cited above reminded me this defense of you when you were the entity outside of political power and facing, what I similarly considered, exclusionary and intolerant views.


Gubbet wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:01 amRe: Somalia has a lot of enemies; we shouldn't make more of them. HodanSomali deserves an apology from NN.

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 3#p4997707

1. I will just say I am obviously across the political fence from HodanSomali. Even before these moments, I did not consider her objective. It was very obvious to me from a rational observation of her media cameos that at the least she was not a supporter of Farmaajo; though outwardly not against him. It seems now she is and I find myself critical of how HodanSomali and people like her (seemingly positive members of society) are falling victim to the worst instincts in the opposition. They should be the constructive opposition, the folks on their side who are still acting rationally.

2. With that said, I continue to say again and again HAVING A DIFFERENT POLITICAL OPINION OR POSITION IS NOT DELEGITIMIZING. That's what a free and open society is---that's exactly what we want by 1 P/ 1 V... that each Somali individual exercises a right to express their PERSONAL, INDIVIDUAL CHOICE.

3. I point that out because I see we on this side do not fully appreciate at times that people are allowed a different opinion. And it seems to me, Hodan is taking bashing as much for having a different opinion as whatever she may be accused of which I said above has some truth to it as I found myself disappointed with disappointed meaning I held her to a higher standard.

4. There is another bigger reason why that lady is getting more beat up than anyone else on the opposition---at least that I have seen----and that's because she is a "lady." There is something very misogynistic about the Somali culture that is always betrayed by this.

Recall my statement concerning how the Marehan cybersphere would disproportionately attack Sagal Isaaq Biixi and never seemingly attack folks like Fartaag or...ALANKEEY---the single most unlikeable member of the Marehan MPs and who was among the banned list from Parliament recently led by Mahad Salaad.
Voltage wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:46 pm Sagal is an MP---criticism comes with the territory. I would have advised her to forgoe the sarcasm, but I think it was a human response that shows she feels she has been unfairly targeted.

I am biased since she is my MP and Eedo, but she does happen to be disproportionately targeted by young Marehans. At most one can say she is stoic and moderate---and independent to Villa Somalia. That is far removed from Sen Fartaag and MP Alankey---the two MX representatives who are at the center of the opposition and fought against the developments in Gedo.

But they only pick on and target Sagal---because I think thsy have no hope in and wrote off Fartaag/Alankey whereas Sagal, particularly because of her age and presence, they expect more from her based on how they want their rep to be.

I get both sides; they are both showing disappointment in each other.
I realize now what I was trying to say was it is because she is a "woman."

Somehow something about the Somali mindset finds itself ENTITLED to how a woman should act, be, or position to have.

It is a weird psychological MOTHER-ORIENTED expectation we feel about woman whose voices we can hear.

We want every single woman to be LIKE our mother; to support what we support and to be passionate and care about what we like and to be dependable as a backup to any position her little "Prince" wants to reflect.

No, they aren't your mother. And they have their own mind and interests and things they care about.

So next time you disagree with these women, stop acting entitled to their voice and try to beat up one of these really sinister devils in the opposition who are men even 1/3 as much as we apparently like to pummel these women.

Finally, Somalia has enough enemies----we don't need to create more of them for her.

As much as we disagree with a HodanSomali, acting the way our side has acted towards her solves nothing
0.

But do you know what we can do?

We can try to turn around our sister to our side by appealing to what we both apparently want namely a united, standing Somali nation where no foreigners can even find opportunity to manipulate.

Lastly, in the U.S a "Nurse Practicitioner" is essentially a Primary Care "Doctor" literally the same as an Internist MD.

My primary care doctor is a Nurse Practicitioner---like vast numbers of Americans---and I call her "Doc."

Let us not try to even go down that route and let us try to appeal to what is best in Hodan and all like her---by being true to what is best in us.

You don't know if this lady will end up the single biggest advocate on our side.
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She’s right, but she’s doesn’t realize it says more about HSM than Gamal. No serious administration would appoint someone from an opposing camp into a prominent role. But HSM has no vision for the country other than stealing aid money.
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⌃ 100

gurgurte. no vision. soon enough we might find out how much wasakhgalis paid for the seat :notsure:
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As salaamu calaykum gubbet.
Who do you think appointed Amb Gamal because some people are saying HSM while others say Hamze and news is also floating about that IGAD is behind it.
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The first 2 Gentleman,

You miss the forest for the trees.

HodanSomali's statement is not about Minister Jamal though it references him. Similarly, my response dispensed with all sidetrack as could be provided by defending Minister Jamal in order to address the said Lady's argument (activism?) at heart.

Since you missed the forest for the tree, let me dispense with the distraction of the tree by recognizing it for a moment.

Minister Jamal is perfectly uncontroversial. Even within Nabad&Nolol populism, he is perfectly absent. He is not a partisan ideologue; he is not even the activisit type. Minister Jamal is a work horse---with the personal disposition, mannerism, and bearing of being something like the serious son of an Imam or a traditional chief. He entered President Farmaajo's administration from his diplomatic posting as the Somali Ambassador to Kenya---appointed by HSM in his 1st term. He now goes back to a regional diplomatic posting---appointed by HSM in his 2nd term.

The point is Minister Jamal is not, if one cared to observe, a guy like Ali Yare.

It is odd for a HodanSomali to even utilize him as the foil, including even subject herself to the very realistic and highly probable risk that, inverse to her aim, it is her reputation that becomes legitimately damaged becoming undone by Minister Jamal's very benign and perfectly boring public image.

So why?

Not open values and party politics, but vengeance and the politics of intolerance. Not free expression with the rights of citizenship, but the tyranny of repression with public censorship. Not the rights and obligations of government, but the power and will to govern by domination. Not responsible to we the people, but beholden to us not them. Not united in all our diversity and thought, but restricted according to my discretion.

HodanSomali,

How other people treat us is not always necessarily a choice of our making. In fact, I would not be surprised if it is not even the majority of times.

How we treat other people, however, is always and forever, a decision of our making.

You are not responsible for how other people choose to treat you, but you are responsible for how you choose to treat other people.

My humble and unsolicited advice to you from a place of genuine goodwill.
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Northkil wrote: Sat Sep 03, 2022 5:43 am As salaamu calaykum gubbet.
Who do you think appointed Amb Gamal because some people are saying HSM while others say Hamze and news is also floating about that IGAD is behind it.
Walaal, I know that the PM nominated Amb Gamal, but I find it almost existentially improbable that the nomination process officially started anywhere else other than the President's desk.
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His appointment is not in the periphery of what is highly important like security and investment so i don't see the problem. Most likely saami qeybsi beeleed buu ugu jiraa and he should not be targeted while other NN like Abdirahmaan Dheere is working with Mahad Salaad
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Damn Gubbit can you just keep it short and to the point
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Gubbet wrote: Sat Sep 03, 2022 1:16 pm
Not open values and party politics, but vengeance and the politics of intolerance. Not free expression with the rights of citizenship, but the tyranny of repression with public censorship. Not the rights and obligations of government, but the power and will to govern by domination. Not responsible to we the people, but beholden to us not them. Not united in all our diversity and thought, but restricted according to my discretion.
Note:I was speaking in Hodan and HSM admin voice there. FYi.

Reading the exchange between Terra and Hodan this week, I was reminded of this topic.

What is the difference between Pleasant and Distasteful? One is acceptable, the other is unacceptable.


ACCEPTABLE



UNACCEPTABLE



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