Hsm “we won’t allow SL independence”

[mahoka]

The hawiye loving isaaq tribe for a surprise when president HSM said his gov won’t allow the independence/recognition of SL.





This is a shock to some isaaq who believe hawiye is their best friend and who were crying about farmaajo a lot since farmaajo is the “nephew of siyaad barre” lol

[mahoka]

If SL is serious about aqoonsi they would ban all NGOs who work under Somalia name, they wouldn’t refer to ambassadors sent to Somalia as “amb to SL and Somalia” and they wouldn’t deal with anyone who deals with them as an entity in Somalia. This however would mean no more foreign monies and aid and you would have to be self sufficient.

But we know they will never do this.

[MrSinister]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the hawiye politicians in Mogadishu and isaaq elite work together. The hawiye need the Somali land mp’s in Hamar and the isaaq poiticians mislead the public about seeking independence.

Why do you think the SL mp’s are always welcomed in hargeisa.

The only way SL will be recognized is with negotiations with PL, and in that case, PL will be independent too.

[paperino]

If SL is serious about aqoonsi they would ban all NGOs who work under Somalia name, they wouldn’t refer to ambassadors sent to Somalia as “amb to SL and Somalia” and they wouldn’t deal with anyone who deals with them as an entity in Somalia. This however would mean no more foreign monies and aid and you would have to be self sufficient.

But we know they will never do this.

These are emotional, childish and impractical suggestions.

[Khalid Ali]

Hawiye waliga wax kheyr ah ha ka sugin I am not surprised culusuw and his cambuulo clan have always been our enemies since the day the selected cali naafto waliga Waxba haka sugin I am not surprised at all the only difference between culusow and failmaajo is culusow will smile and say he is ur friend but stabs u in the back where as failmaajo says that he hates u because ur isaaq because u overthrow his aabo afweyne so I for once ageee with mahoka ban all un agencies that work under Somalia that way you send a messege and don’t allow any ambassador for Somalia to visit our countrry

[Khalid Ali]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the hawiye politicians in Mogadishu and isaaq elite work together. The hawiye need the Somali land mp’s in Hamar and the isaaq poiticians mislead the public about seeking independence.

Why do you think the SL mp’s are always welcomed in hargeisa.

The only way SL will be recognized is with negotiations with PL, and in that case, PL will be independent too.

Thé hawiye Bantus might.need us for votes and shit but u will never make me believe the late siilaanyo and muse biixi the top cream of the snm don’t believe in our state hood and are working day in day out to achieve our goals a nation state for the Sadat people in the Horn of Africa. That’s the end goal by hook or by crook we shall achieve this

[OwQariib]

HSM was spot on. No country permits secession but recognising the sensitivity of the issue no diplomatic muscle should be used, the South needs pacification and a unified constitution first. He is even saying let SL come to the table with demands and propositions and we can negotiate. SL should seek Hong Kong status, remain part of Somalia for the benefit of all Somali people who don't wish to see further balkanisation in other regions while also protecting their hard earned statehood with access to development funds.

[Khalid Ali]

No country allows secession but that’s only if somaliland was a province of Somalia. Somalia and somaliland voluntarily United as to equal nations so we are breaking away from Somalia that thinking is wrong second country always accept lands to secede when pressured enough we have seen it with South Sudan Eritrea East Timor the collapse of the former youguslavia

What diplomatic muscle can Somalia use against somaliland apart from sabotaging the livestock trade nothing else

Failmaajo tried that and the Saudis eventually said do u have the livestock we need they couldn’t stop the dp world Investment deal and we knew how fail majao hated the deal and it was with Arabs When arabs already hate somaliland he couldn’t convince them second We are already a defacto state what benefits is there to be associated with. Somalia aid we can get aid being where we stand now we already get aid from Britain some aid from the Arabs I can’t think of any benefit being associated with the most failed state in the world the republic of walanweynia

[BigBreak]

No country allows secession but that’s only if somaliland was a province of Somalia. Somalia and somaliland voluntarily United as to equal nations so we are breaking away from Somalia that thinking is wrong second country always accept lands to secede when pressured enough we have seen it with South Sudan Eritrea East Timor the collapse of the former youguslavia

What diplomatic muscle can Somalia use against somaliland apart from sabotaging the livestock trade nothing else

Failmaajo tried that and the Saudis eventually said do u have the livestock we need they couldn’t stop the dp world Investment deal and we knew how fail majao hated the deal and it was with Arabs When arabs already hate somaliland he couldn’t convince them second We are already a defacto state what benefits is there to be associated with. Somalia aid we can get aid being where we stand now we already get aid from Britain some aid from the Arabs I can’t think of any benefit being associated with the most failed state in the world the republic of walanweynia

Spot on Khalid. Zoomalia is no threat to Somaliland and its independence, no Zoomalian whether Hutu or Dhoofar etc will ever rule Somaliland until the world ends

[OwQariib]

No country allows secession but that’s only if somaliland was a province of Somalia. Somalia and somaliland voluntarily United as to equal nations so we are breaking away from Somalia that thinking is wrong second country always accept lands to secede when pressured enough we have seen it with South Sudan Eritrea East Timor the collapse of the former youguslavia

What diplomatic muscle can Somalia use against somaliland apart from sabotaging the livestock trade nothing else

Failmaajo tried that and the Saudis eventually said do u have the livestock we need they couldn’t stop the dp world Investment deal and we knew how fail majao hated the deal and it was with Arabs When arabs already hate somaliland he couldn’t convince them second We are already a defacto state what benefits is there to be associated with. Somalia aid we can get aid being where we stand now we already get aid from Britain some aid from the Arabs I can’t think of any benefit being associated with the most failed state in the world the republic of walanweynia

Somaliland became a province since 1st July 1960, there was no pact or agreement that seperated the rights of the two nor did it condition future secession if agreements were violated, so you are essentially throwing your toys out the pram because you don't like the terms and conditions of being a province. Why should Somalia listen to anything you say, regions like PL and JL were integrated by force or British coersion, they can argue even better we never joined Somalia willingly it was imposed on us.

[BigBreak]

No country allows secession but that’s only if somaliland was a province of Somalia. Somalia and somaliland voluntarily United as to equal nations so we are breaking away from Somalia that thinking is wrong second country always accept lands to secede when pressured enough we have seen it with South Sudan Eritrea East Timor the collapse of the former youguslavia

What diplomatic muscle can Somalia use against somaliland apart from sabotaging the livestock trade nothing else

Failmaajo tried that and the Saudis eventually said do u have the livestock we need they couldn’t stop the dp world Investment deal and we knew how fail majao hated the deal and it was with Arabs When arabs already hate somaliland he couldn’t convince them second We are already a defacto state what benefits is there to be associated with. Somalia aid we can get aid being where we stand now we already get aid from Britain some aid from the Arabs I can’t think of any benefit being associated with the most failed state in the world the republic of walanweynia

Somaliland became a province since 1st July 1960, there was no pact or agreement that seperated the rights of the two nor did it condition future secession if agreements were violated, so you are essentially throwing your toys out the pram because you don't like the terms and conditions of being a province. Why should Somalia listen to anything you say, regions like PL and JL were integrated by force or British coersion, they can argue even better we never joined Somalia willingly it was imposed on us.

You're just a delusional Darod thing, your measly clan isn't even in the top 2 most populous clans within Italian Somalia

[OwQariib]

BigBreak, i'm Hawiye Murursade. This got nothing to do with clan, no legislation or majority parliament will accept SL. It will have a domino effect in the region and it will only make Ethiopia/Kenya stronger who would have recognised SL ions ago but fear the AU. Even the United Arab Republic of Syria and Egypt saw Syria face a hard time winning their independence back from Egypt who didn't recognise Syria's withdrawal from the union until 10 years later when Anwar Saddat reversed Nasser's Pro Arab sentiments and became the first Arab state to recognise Isreal. Atleast the Syrians were recognised instantly by the West who did so to counter Soviet influence. But as of 1990 there is no Cold War or fear of USSR establishing satellite states so SL is not in Western interests. Go and speak to Putin he is the only pariah that can make some unpredictable decisions in todays World.

[Zak77]

I just love how dumb and naive Somaliland(Isaq) is, tricked and turned by the Daarood, all this running away for independence cause of a Daarood, all this rubbish for daarood the list goes on. Iga qor Somaliland will always be a part of Somalia you guys just need to come up with better politics and stop the delusion and we need to free the south from instability which is currently underway.
The only qabiil having a reality check right now in Somalia is Hawiye who have understood that they need to free their land and come home with better politics both internally and externally and invest in their dhul which is undeniably the best, developed and self-sufficient even with constant war and terror which will soon be over. Xamar doesn't need Garowe or Hargeisa they need Xamar and Hawiye land such as Hiiraan Shabeelooyinka etc. This has been proven true even in Hawiyes worst times Somaliland was still dependent on Xamar NGOs as well as PL while Hawiye didn't need a single dime from them nor do they now. The days where Hawiye was sleeping are done, Hawiye turub baray ayaa la yiri. We are freeing our dhul and reconstructing our politics. You can tell this from recent operations by the new administration. They are busy dealing with shabaab before dealing with folks they can easily strangle in xamar like farmaajo and NN who constantly spew dumb rhetoric against the current govt. If they wanted revenge they COULD do it but like I posted in the deni political failure sub Hawiye have got bigger fish to fry, Which is shabaab but slowly and surely, we are changing our stance as seen from recent federal meet-up. Dare to prove me wrong.

Somaliland believes it will get independence which is a lie, and they know it. What's worse than lying to yourself? Somaliland could be a major player in Somali politics but decided to take the easy route; RUNNING AWAY AND HIDING. Do you know how much Somaliland could demand and develop if it decided to come gun blazing for its piece in federal politics and used its sob story on xamar instead of IC to gain political leverage? But no no no no let us lie to ourselves and let Kacaan remnants run wild on each other while they lie to us about independence. I advise Somaliland to look in the mirror and tell itself the truth dont let the sun rise on you.

PL believes the south will stay the same forever(AMISOM, Shabaab, KDF in JL) and that Somaliland will always be gone, that's their problem iyaga. Today things are changing and Hawiye and southern clans are freeing their lands, PLs veto politics is coming to an end they will no longer have the leverage of making crazy demands as shown in xamar just recently. The moment Somaliland is reconciled with Somalia (Which is only after shabaab are defeated) Somaliland as a state would kick PL political influence into the grave with Hargeisa and Xamar Politics ruling the nation. This is conditional though and it only hurts them if they mess up (Somaliland), it's how they will deal with the Garowe whispers. By the time shabaab is freed from south Hawiye will be fully sufficient and won't really need to do much bargaining with anyone since the capital, Money and bread baskets lay in their hands and their federal states would have pro-Hawiye leaders that have no issue with xamar and being connected strongly with xamar because both xamar and Hawiye federal states are Hawiye and all Hawiye hold stakes in Xamar, the capital city. Garowe and hargeisa would need to change their stance on Xamar upon the nation being freed because in reality, they would be at a loss to try to play deluded politics with a Hawiye that has learnt qabyaalad with its lands and people free. This is the truth of future somali politics and my Tol aren't at a loss in anyway because we already were for 30 years this is our time.

enough of my ted talk and send the Somali army (Ciidamada beesha HAG) duco to be victorious and free the nation of the terror group.

@sahal80 @OwQariib

[OwQariib]

I just love how dumb and naive Somaliland(Isaq) is, tricked and turned by the Daarood, all this running away for independence cause of a Daarood, all this rubbish for daarood the list goes on. Iga qor Somaliland will always be a part of Somalia you guys just need to come up with better politics and stop the delusion and we need to free the south from instability which is currently underway.
The only qabiil having a reality check right now in Somalia is Hawiye who have understood that they need to free their land and come home with better politics both internally and externally and invest in their dhul which is undeniably the best, developed and self-sufficient even with constant war and terror which will soon be over. Xamar doesn't need Garowe or Hargeisa they need Xamar and Hawiye land such as Hiiraan Shabeelooyinka etc. This has been proven true even in Hawiyes worst times Somaliland was still dependent on Xamar NGOs as well as PL while Hawiye didn't need a single dime from them nor do they now. The days where Hawiye was sleeping are done, Hawiye turub baray ayaa la yiri. We are freeing our dhul and reconstructing our politics. You can tell this from recent operations by the new administration. They are busy dealing with shabaab before dealing with folks they can easily strangle in xamar like farmaajo and NN who constantly spew dumb rhetoric against the current govt. If they wanted revenge they COULD do it but like I posted in the deni political failure sub Hawiye have got bigger fish to fry, Which is shabaab but slowly and surely, we are changing our stance as seen from recent federal meet-up. Dare to prove me wrong.

Somaliland believes it will get independence which is a lie, and they know it. What's worse than lying to yourself? Somaliland could be a major player in Somali politics but decided to take the easy route; RUNNING AWAY AND HIDING. Do you know how much Somaliland could demand and develop if it decided to come gun blazing for its piece in federal politics and used its sob story on xamar instead of IC to gain political leverage? But no no no no let us lie to ourselves and let Kacaan remnants run wild on each other while they lie to us about independence. I advise Somaliland to look in the mirror and tell itself the truth dont let the sun rise on you.

PL believes the south will stay the same forever(AMISOM, Shabaab, KDF in JL) and that Somaliland will always be gone, that's their problem iyaga. Today things are changing and Hawiye and southern clans are freeing their lands, PLs veto politics is coming to an end they will no longer have the leverage of making crazy demands as shown in xamar just recently. The moment Somaliland is reconciled with Somalia (Which is only after shabaab are defeated) Somaliland as a state would kick PL political influence into the grave with Hargeisa and Xamar Politics ruling the nation. This is conditional though and it only hurts them if they mess up (Somaliland), it's how they will deal with the Garowe whispers. By the time shabaab is freed from south Hawiye will be fully sufficient and won't really need to do much bargaining with anyone since the capital, Money and bread baskets lay in their hands and their federal states would have pro-Hawiye leaders that have no issue with xamar and being connected strongly with xamar because both xamar and Hawiye federal states are Hawiye and all Hawiye hold stakes in Xamar, the capital city. Garowe and hargeisa would need to change their stance on Xamar upon the nation being freed because in reality, they would be at a loss to try to play deluded politics with a Hawiye that has learnt qabyaalad with its lands and people free. This is the truth of future somali politics and my Tol aren't at a loss in anyway because we already were for 30 years this is our time.

enough of my ted talk and send the Somali army (Ciidamada beesha HAG) duco to be victorious and free the nation of the terror group.

@sahal80 @OwQariib

Sxb Hawiye is the majority in Somalia according to every census out there but only as a plurality. I believe Hawiye, Darod and Isaaq will share a country again but it may be under very different terms. Who knows, even Zeila or Berbera could be proposed as a new capital. That way everyone is happy, Hawiye can keep Somalia intact, Darod can get over their fear of Mogadishu and Isaaq can press for greater Waqooyi influence.

[paperino]

You're just a delusional Darod thing, your measly clan isn't even in the top 2 most populous clans within Italian Somalia

Your childish comment doesn't make sense as OwQariib makes valid points. You've failed to rebut.