In my opinion, Hawadle deserves support and aid from Somali clans.

[Gubbet]

I don't want to comment about Sanbaloolshe. He is an individual. Regarding the wider circumstance in which Hawadle correctly perceive themselves in a difficult situation---now, directly a target by Al Shabaab---one cannot take their situation for granted. It is very rare for a clan to come at the crosshairs of Shabaab, but it cannot be underestimated the threat in backlash and deterrence-setting Shabaab may become motivated by. Essentially so no other Somali clan or community as a "unit" ever attempt to "revolt" against them.

Somalis said "bowda rageed, maalin ba mid baa qaawan", i.e. every man will be compelled to ask for help at some point.

It is tremendously profound that a clan appeal has been sent to the Somali nation.

Somalis fight, steal, and even kill each other---but no Somali as an instinctive cultural feature takes it lightly when an ergo (a legation, distress call) has been sent out by a Somali community.

It is tradition and heritage for every able bodies Somali man within earshot of the Ergo to go in support.

At the least, I believe enough of a response has to materialize from across clan lines for Shabaab--at the very least---to seriously reconsider collective punishment/revenge against an identified Somali community if they would ever be under such an inclination.

It is tremendously an incalculable threat to all Somali communities/groups if such a blatant collective reprisal were to be carried out in front of their eyes against one of them.

A deterrence must be set against Shabaab barbarism if they would ever be so barbaric as to attempt to make a deterrence out of a Somali community.

It is a threat to all communities wallahi.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

I don't want to comment about Sanbaloolshe. He is an individual. Regarding the wider circumstance in which Hawadle correctly perceive themselves in a difficult situation---now, directly a target by Al Shabaab---one cannot take their situation for granted. It is very rare for a clan to come at the crosshairs of Shabaab, but it cannot be underestimated the threat in backlash and deterrence-setting Shabaab may become motivated by. Essentially so no other Somali clan or community as a "unit" ever attempt to "revolt" against them.

Somalis said "bowda rageed, maalin ba mid baa qaawan", i.e. every man will be compelled to ask for help at some point.

It is tremendously profound that a clan appeal has been sent to the Somali nation.

Somalis fight, steal, and even kill each other---but no Somali as an instinctive cultural feature takes it lightly when an ergo (a legation, distress call) has been sent out by a Somali community.

It is tradition and heritage for every able bodies Somali man within earshot of the Ergo to go in support.

At the least, I believe enough of a response has to materialize from across clan lines for Shabaab--at the very least---to seriously reconsider collective punishment/revenge against an identified Somali community if they would ever be under such an inclination.

It is tremendously an incalculable threat to all Somali communities/groups if such a blatant collective reprisal were to be carried out in front of their eyes against one of them.

A deterrence must be set against Shabaab barbarism if they would ever be so barbaric as to attempt to make a deterrence out of a Somali community.

It is a threat to all communities wallahi.

Bingo same principle applied in Gedo during the maritime dispute. Same principle applies to their uprising. Al Shabaab is the biggest enemy to development and peace

[theyuusuf143]

Walaahi maanta waan gabyaya waanigaa dhaartee waxaan idhi

1. xaawadlaha xorgagay waa xaayaw abgaal dadab Ku xeernayde
2. Xamar waxay u niikisaa xiligan waa xilkasnimo la,aane
3. Xaawalayduba tib bay wax Iskaga celiyaane.
4. Xaafadaha kasoo baxa waxayaw xaaladuhu jeexjeexen .

Ilaahaw madaxa uga du,u

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Walaahi maanta waan gabyaya waanigaa dhaartee waxaan idhi

1. xaawadlaha xorgagay waa xaayaw abgaal dadab Ku xeernayde
2. Xamar waxay u niikisaa xiligan waa xilkasnimo la,aane
3. Xaawalayduba tib bay wax Iskaga celiyaane.
4. Xaafadaha kasoo baxa waxayaw xaaladuhu jeexjeexen .

Ilaahaw madaxa uga du,u

No laughing matter Reer Hiiraan need gurmad. Damul Shabaab double crossed them and tribalized the SNA. Who doesn’t want a strong Somalia? Westerners and their lapdogs in the neighborhood:

[theyuusuf143]

It seems all nabar iyo naxdin crew are specifically targeting abgaal for other reasons not this hiiraan issue. I can obviously see the rivalry between you guys. You don't want xasan sheekh to achieve any victory that can put shame to the previous admin. Every one is looking after his interests here. Even xawaadle are not honest , they want to take credit for something they didn't achieve yet. Xaayaw xuu u difaca xawaadle hadaan kolayba xurmad loo hayn. Support should be requested with respect.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

It seems all nabar iyo naxdin crew are specifically targeting abgaal for other reasons not this hiiraan issue. I can obviously see the rivalry between you guys. You don't want xasan sheekh to achieve any victory that can put shame to the previous admin. Every one is looking after his interests here. Even xawaadle are not honest , they want to take credit for something they didn't achieve yet. Xaayaw xuu u difaca xawaadle hadaan kolayba xurmad loo hayn. Support should be requested with respect.

NN isn’t even attacking him. That’s a factual statement. He’s pro West. And he’s not gonna do half what NN accomplished that’s why I’m not worried. Farmaajo is popular. He’s not. He’s a colonist’s errand boy. Begging worldwide and giving economic leverage back to Nairobi instead of his own capital. He has no popular support everyone knows that. He’s not worth attacking anymore we got the streets:

[theyuusuf143]

What did the NN leadership Achieved brother, Facebook trolling ? I actually don't know anything else .

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

What did the NN leadership Achieved brother, Facebook trolling ? I actually don't know anything else .

Free the prisoners from Hargeisa and Burco locked up overseas under the name of Somalia. Did Muse Handrab do that?

[theyuusuf143]

What did the NN leadership Achieved brother, Facebook trolling ? I actually don't know anything else .

Free the prisoners from Hargeisa and Burco locked up overseas under the name of Somalia. Did Muse Handrab do that?

Keep in mind the Somali begging bowl is in your lap. That doesn't mean you contribute to any thing. The whole process is initiated and funded by the UN. You didn't pay one penny to any Somali citizen out of your pocket.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

What did the NN leadership Achieved brother, Facebook trolling ? I actually don't know anything else .

Free the prisoners from Hargeisa and Burco locked up overseas under the name of Somalia. Did Muse Handrab do that?

Keep in mind the Somali begging bowl is in your lap. That doesn't mean you contribute to any thing. The whole process is initiated and funded by the UN. You didn't pay one penny to any Somali citizen out of your pocket.

The UN is useless trust me I know. It’s a toothless organization in an era of state competition

[original dervish]

Somali politics has become fascinating again.

Nobody despises hsm more than me.....but today he has my full support.

A narrow window of opportunity has opened up for the first time since the days of the Union of Islamic Courts..

The Xawaadle deserve a huge amount of credit for their sacrifices.......they're fighting for all Somalis.

No tribe should be singled out for opprobrium.......Somalis everywhere are vehemently against AS.

Some Abgaal subclans are hesitant to go against AS which is understandable after being at the terrorists mercy for years. If the offensive fails they could open to reprisals.

The people on the ground, in government, under arms must all speak with one voice. Only AS benefits from disunity.

[Gubbet]

What did the NN leadership Achieved brother, Facebook trolling ? I actually don't know anything else .

Farmajo was known for leading; that is what being accused of "control" essentially means first and foremost.

If you notice, I never find it relevant to mention HSM or his administration much. One would not be mistaken for interpreting that as my complete and utter confusion about who or what is in command at all.

I don't even see a leadership to criticize; I simply see an absence of leadership. An empty hole; dark space, a cosmic void----a vacuum (physics).

[GeoSeven]

Gubbet, your considerations and that of every Somali is commendable but the only way to help is for others to engage the terrorists as well in their own regions. Hiiiraan is mostly free and they have evidently been bloodied, but they will keep coming back because they have seemingly safe passage from other Somalis to come and attack Xawaadle.

Ragyahow, Xawaadle simply wants the other clans to open their own fronts against the Shabaab. At this stage, the entire might of the terrorists is solely directed at a single clan. Never happened before. Every Qarax will be directed at either Beledweyne or Bulo Burde.

Does nobody else wants to fight Shabaab and their twisted ideology?

[Gubbet]

Geo,

This is my closest deegaan to you,




They are militantly Sufi and have had an experience battling Al Itihad when Al Itihad rose in the southern Marehan and presented a threat to them; an experience that prepared them for successfully resisting Al Shabab---a strength that allowed them to aid their immediate neighbors on a number of occasions.

I once expressed my view on here that one of the biggest missed opportunities in Somalia is the lack of development of warm ties between my community and yours given many reasons; uterine alliance, geography, similar cultural features like independent thinking, etc.

I am of the opinion that Caabudwaaq will in some way, shape, or form respond to the Ergo. I am a lover of history and if one were to ask me what moments in my clan or Somali history I most appreciate, it would inevitably be moments where the greatest expression of brotherhood and justice were displayed.

I would like to hope this develops into such a moment.

[Murax]

Geoseven,

Yes Xawaadle have done a heroic job. May Allah burn in hell in eternity the devils who are committing these terrorist acts in B Weyne.


All that being said, I fundamentally disagree vehemently HSM’s Gov approach to this being let’s galvanize, arm Hawiye to fight Al Shaydaan. Similarly as I admit Farmaajo in many cases was idiotic for not taking post civil war sensitivities into account, so is HSM in this case. The branding of this offensive should have been had a 100% Government/Somali theme.


Secondly, it is ultimately a foolish proposition! If this Yaa Hawiye Ah was going to work it would require HG Galgaduud, M Shabelle all launching similar offensives.

BAAQ Has anybody seen Kees70?? Where is all the booto, tough talk, and why are these vaunted HG I keep hearing about not doing anything?!


Bottom line hate or love Al Shaydaan they act as a nation state actor with centralized command control, chain of command, and rule of law however disgusting the Non Islamic law it is they enforce. Bottom line is only an opposite opposing Governmental approach will work.


Unfortunately time will prove me right.