I invite an Ogadeni to a talk about Jubbaland.

[Gubbet]

What's the end goal?

Simple.

1. Ahmed Madobe has sat in that seat for 10 years.
2. That's the 10 out of the 11 years Kenya Defense Forces have been in Kismaayo.
3. The combined 10 years of Madobe in that seat has been less relevant to the "territory" of Jubbaland than "1" of Barre Hiiraale's years as JVA head.

On the last note, Barre Hiiraale, for instance, moved out of Kismaayo with 50 teknikos & compelled an end to the El Wak war with a historic settlement that effectively ended 100 years of conflict between Marehan & Garre that has endured 17 years later. He then named a Garre district commissioner for the 1st time; an act so fortuitous to this day El Wak is the only district in Gedo without hegemonic clan political competition and recurringly sees diversity in district leadership with even cross-clan support. What Barre Hiiraale did in El Wak has been more impactful to Jubbaland than the combined 10 years of Madoobe as Jubbaland president. That was "African Union Peace-Keeping Mission In Somalia" before actual "AMISOM" & with domestic, internal self-agency to boot.

So my honest and real question is---what is your end goal? What is the purpose to all of this?

Please; I don't want to know anyone's "wish" or "hopes."

I want to know what your strategic end-goal is because, as God is my witness and as hard as I have tried, I do not see a Jubbaland strategic end-goal implicated in any support to Madoobe.

To me it just seems like a listless, transitory, "let's just sit until someone turns off the light and tells us it's closing time."

Help me see your perspective if you dispute that perception.

[eliteSomali]

Is this the same barre hiraale who run out of kismayo leaving behind 20 teknikos provided by Hassan Sheikh? I would be ashamed if this guy was the face of my clan. "war waxaa sidaa u ordaya ma barraa" is still echoed in kismayo to this day.
JL has been working just fine for 10 years, and Kenya will leave soon Inshallah, and once the khawrijites are defeated, JL develop. All JL citizens should invest in any part of the region they want.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

That’s cool your Starbucks, I’m Dunkin’s to you. I don’t waste resources on people I don’t know. Sorry for the break, your customers to me forever. I never wanted your approval after 21st ever

[Gubbet]

Is this the same barre hiraale who run out of kismayo leaving behind 20 teknikos provided by Hassan Sheikh? I would be ashamed if this guy was the face of my clan. "war waxaa sidaa u ordaya ma barraa" is still echoed in kismayo to this day.
JL has been working just fine for 10 years, and Kenya will leave soon Inshallah, and once the khawrijites are defeated, JL develop. All JL citizens should invest in any part of the region they want.

I specifically outlined the "strategic end-goal" behind my invitation to discussion.

If you will accept it, please accept what you are being invited to.

This is not a conversation about Barre Hiiraale or even our hopes and goals.

[Gubbet]

Sorry. Correction: This is not a conversation about Barre Hiiraale or even our hopes and "wishes." It is definitely about "goals."

Yacni, I am not looking to "confront" Ogaden. I would like to "understand" them.

It is not even that you need to "convince" me. Just express yourself and help me understand the "strategic end-goal" implicated in the support to Madoobe.

And if there isn't one, than that's fine to say as well as that would help me understand my inability to see a strategic end-goal is not confusion but conceptualization.

[original dervish]

We wish for all the people of J/L to work towards peace and prosperity inshallah.

[noer]

peace and prosperity to cagders n their neighbors. ousting kenya is priority one. technically al shabab is priority but kenyan occupation is the major cause of al shabab in jubaland. jubaland tribes need to get along witout kenyan arbiters

[original dervish]

The J/L problem is not as complicated as the other states...eg SW, HS.

There are only two protagonists. If they can come to an agreement peace will prevail. Only AS will remain.

[Gubbet]

The J/L problem is not as complicated as the other states...eg SW, HS.

There are only two protagonists. If they can come to an agreement peace will prevail. Only AS will remain.

Ahmed Madoobe has had 10 years in that role. Even if Marehan could or would have been accepting of his legitimacy, by now it would have completely disappeared and it would still be time for him to go.

Marehan is not going to accept Madoobe now or anytime in the future. It is a nonstarter.

So for people supporting Ahmed Madoobe surely that means their support to him is not based on realizing a strategic end-goal that results in a "real" Jubbaland State. If it were, they would not be supporting Ahmed Madoobe knowing whatever you think about Marehan, a "real" Jubbaland cannot exist without having the confidence of such a stakeholder.

So then what else is the strategic "end-goal" behind supporting Ahmed Madoobe?

Is there any or is it really, as I have said, just a listless, transitory, "let's just sit until someone turns off the light and tells us it's closing time."

I would really appreciate an Ogadeni to help me see their perspective.

[noer]

cagder are used to autocrats guiding them. marehan better not let up when they get their chance can't forget this oppressed tribe is full opportunists. the niggas who sold their rebels to meles. the refugees who tried to replace their idoor hosts after the '77 war was lost. the same niggas who turned on msb even though he was trynna help them take over isak cities

[Khalid Ali]

The J/L problem is not as complicated as the other states...eg SW, HS.

There are only two protagonists. If they can come to an agreement peace will prevail. Only AS will remain.

Ahmed Madoobe has had 10 years in that role. Even if Marehan could or would have been accepting of his legitimacy, by now it would have completely disappeared and it would still be time for him to go.

Marehan is not going to accept Madoobe now or anytime in the future. It is a nonstarter.

So for people supporting Ahmed Madoobe surely that means their support to him is not based on realizing a strategic end-goal that results in a "real" Jubbaland State. If it were, they would not be supporting Ahmed Madoobe knowing whatever you think about Marehan, a "real" Jubbaland cannot exist without having the confidence of such a stakeholder.

So then what else is the strategic "end-goal" behind supporting Ahmed Madoobe?

Is there any or is it really, as I have said, just a listless, transitory, "let's just sit until someone turns off the light and tells us it's closing time."

I would really appreciate an Ogadeni to help me see their perspective.

U haven’t said what ur issue with madooba is why u oppose him what are ur legitimate reasons for to opppose him is it because he rules ten years oke. Then I ask u what does the jubbaland state term is for a president is it ten years fiveteen . Would u have a problem if madooba leaves and some one else comes from the Ogaden clan would u still have a problem with that

[Thecoolguysomali]

Marehan will never retake Jubaland until they come to peaceful terms with their neighbouring countries and successfully execute their interests as the Ogadens have done time and time again, whether it be with the British, the Kenyans, or the Ethiopians. If Marehan believe they can recapture this region and gain presidency without coming to terms with these nations, they have another thing coming, Ogaden will do anything for power, they work for the Kenyatti's interest and in return Kenya gives them all the power, and the same goes for UAE. This is why other Somali clans have had more success historically, they didn't piss of the top dogs and got success.

This idiocy is why Marehan were kicked out of Somaliland, marginalized in Jubaland, kicked out of the NFD, had lies written about them, were blocked from entering Jubaland, etc etc. If we had realized we had lost to the colonizers and had acted like other Somali clans, we'd've been in a much better position than we are today, this is why Marehan live in one of the most underdeveloped regions and the colonizers did the least good for them, they pissed off a world super power.

[Gubbet]

Marehan will never retake Jubaland until they come to peaceful terms with their neighbouring countries and successfully execute their interests as the Ogadens have done time and time again, whether it be with the British, the Kenyans, or the Ethiopians. If Marehan believe they can recapture this region and gain presidency without coming to terms with these nations, they have another thing coming, Ogaden will do anything for power, they work for the Kenyatti's interest and in return Kenya gives them all the power, and the same goes for UAE. This is why other Somali clans have had more success historically, they didn't piss of the top dogs and got success.

This idiocy is why Marehan were kicked out of Somaliland, marginalized in Jubaland, kicked out of the NFD, had lies written about them, were blocked from entering Jubaland, etc etc. If we had realized we had lost to the colonizers and had acted like other Somali clans, we'd've been in a much better position than we are today, this is why Marehan live in one of the most underdeveloped regions and the colonizers did the least good for them, they pissed off a world super power.

What do you people get out of this? Larping I mean? I don't get it. I have never gotten it wallahi.

For the unaware, larping is like me having started this topic pretending to be "Ogaden." So instead of me posing the question soliciting real "discussion," I would simply be confirming my position pretending to be Ogaden of course.

So it would be like me saying "We Ogaden need to stop supporting Madoobe who is only squating. He faces no growth or gain but only loss from here on. Our support is invested in loss."

Sure I belive that, but the brain that tells me to "larp" would come from a place of insecurity. I gain nothing from that action. Nothing. It is for show and a response to my insecurity---if I were larping.

However, instead of needing to reinforce what I already believe, I would like to have a frank discussion with whom it implicates so I can 1.) challenge my own belief system and 2.) challenge the opposing side and possibly make a difference by helping advance a position that actually achieves what is for the best of us both namely a real Jubbaland State which is legitimate and supported by all Jubbalanders.

Larping is insecurity because it is about ego.

Fock ego. It bores me to death.

[Gubbet]

The J/L problem is not as complicated as the other states...eg SW, HS.

There are only two protagonists. If they can come to an agreement peace will prevail. Only AS will remain.

Ahmed Madoobe has had 10 years in that role. Even if Marehan could or would have been accepting of his legitimacy, by now it would have completely disappeared and it would still be time for him to go.

Marehan is not going to accept Madoobe now or anytime in the future. It is a nonstarter.

So for people supporting Ahmed Madoobe surely that means their support to him is not based on realizing a strategic end-goal that results in a "real" Jubbaland State. If it were, they would not be supporting Ahmed Madoobe knowing whatever you think about Marehan, a "real" Jubbaland cannot exist without having the confidence of such a stakeholder.

So then what else is the strategic "end-goal" behind supporting Ahmed Madoobe?

Is there any or is it really, as I have said, just a listless, transitory, "let's just sit until someone turns off the light and tells us it's closing time."

I would really appreciate an Ogadeni to help me see their perspective.

U haven’t said what ur issue with madooba is why u oppose him what are ur legitimate reasons for to opppose him is it because he rules ten years oke. Then I ask u what does the jubbaland state term is for a president is it ten years fiveteen . Would u have a problem if madooba leaves and some one else comes from the Ogaden clan would u still have a problem with that

A Jubbalander MP in the Somali Federal Parliament who was considered "opposition" or "neutral" to Farmajo/NN explains best everything I dislike about Madoobe;

"He has 10 faces, 10 stomachs, 10 pockets---& 0 bones in his body."

The man is not even Benedict Arnold. Benedict Arnold loyally served the American cause & when he switched loyally served the British Red Coats.

You figure out what all of that means (I am sure you can) & you would never ask that question again.

[Hulkujir]

Marehan will never retake Jubaland until they come to peaceful terms with their neighbouring countries and successfully execute their interests as the Ogadens have done time and time again, whether it be with the British, the Kenyans, or the Ethiopians. If Marehan believe they can recapture this region and gain presidency without coming to terms with these nations, they have another thing coming, Ogaden will do anything for power, they work for the Kenyatti's interest and in return Kenya gives them all the power, and the same goes for UAE. This is why other Somali clans have had more success historically, they didn't piss of the top dogs and got success.

This idiocy is why Marehan were kicked out of Somaliland, marginalized in Jubaland, kicked out of the NFD, had lies written about them, were blocked from entering Jubaland, etc etc. If we had realized we had lost to the colonizers and had acted like other Somali clans, we'd've been in a much better position than we are today, this is why Marehan live in one of the most underdeveloped regions and the colonizers did the least good for them, they pissed off a world super power.

I doubt colonization put other clans above each other, the most colonized clan was OG and today they are Kenyans and Ethiopians, they are 3rd class citizen in the land of their ancestors, having to learn a foreign language for upward social mobility with the accompanied discrimination of being less than Kenyan or less than ethiopian

Had you said Kacaan, then perhaps you would have gotten a point, MX inherited the aliment of blind nationalism without any of its proceeds such as roads, ports, airports, or any income generators like factories institution, not even a second story building.

But even the carcass of the Kacaan and the booty the other clans got from by sheer unfair placements of development, that shit has dried up now, everyone is now begging the IC.