Many Somali/East African Conflicts I Can Never Get Emotionally Invested In

[Murax]

Afars Killing Somalis in K5
HG/MX Mudug
Dhulbahante/Isaaq now


Ultimately let’s be honest these are the same exact people, religion, dhaqan (Afar slightly different) who ultimately are undermining each other while Amharics, Oromos, Tigray can all make peace with the understanding that Somalis are a mutual threat.


This big picture realization is why it’s hard for me to get overly triggered even if it’s my own clan

[barbarossa]

Ustaad Murax, waxan wax nin weyn ku hadlo mahine dib uga uga fiirso. How can one not go emotionally all in, where the fate of his "tol" is concerned? Dhiigaagii aawey Murax? Hadaa hadalka igu dhihi laheyd anoo Mudug joogo, AK47 dabalaab ah aan dhuunta kaa gelinl lahaa.

[Murax]

Ustaad Murax, waxan wax nin weyn ku hadlo mahine dib uga uga fiirso. How can one not go emotionally all in, where the fate of his "tol" is concerned? Dhiigaagii aawey Murax? Hadaa hadalka igu dhihi laheyd anoo Mudug joogo, AK47 dabalaab ah aan dhuunta kaa gelinl lahaa.

[Gubbet]

Murax---I will not gaslight but be brutally honest.

You would not say that if Koonfur Galbeed was attacking Luuq.

You would not say that if Galmudug was "shelling" Balanbale.

You would not say that if Mandera was attacking Beled-Xaawo.

Laas Caanood is not attacking Burco, nor Hargeisa, nor Berbera.

For the 5th day straight "1" place is under attack by the entire 30 year disproportional preparation in offensive capability that is wielded by the most powerful and organized administrative unit to develop from among the ex-parts of Somalia.

What you inadvertently display, walaal, is lack of ability to relate beyond your blind spot. Ultimately it is not even a behavior or moral/ethical issue but rather about one's relationship to environmental stimuli or "information processing."

It says there is a "passive" relationship with information reception as opposed to an "dynamic or alive" relationship.

In the 1st, one waits until a problem hits them. In the 2nd, one is able to predict the problem.

For the irony is apathy is not decency---though every apathetic frame of reference is internalized as decent---apathey is negligence.

Even if you cannot relate to the exigency and then untenable situation the folks being unjustly attacked in Las Anod are oppressively enduring---that in itself is not negligent.


But that one would harmfully create judgement over the inverse is "negligent" to any one who is uniquely feeling,or can relate, to the targeting of Las Aanod with oppression as the "object" of injustice.

And this harm does not even have to be intentionally meant or derived.

My recommendation to you is to "actively" read up on or take up the casual research/interaction with the word "empathy."

You are a very religious and faith based brother. Wallahi, it will only make you a better Muslim.

[Murax]

Gubbet,


You’re right facts. We are who we are as Somalis. If D&M were launching attacks against Luuq/Baardheere my town would be different because it’s where I have family. Case in point OD was he not salivating at the idea of the clashes that were taking place in Gedo via that condom Janaan?


That said ultimately being invested in every single Somali conflict I feel at the end of the day is kind of fruitless.

[Gubbet]

Gubbet,


You’re right facts. We are who we are as Somalis. If D&M were launching attacks against Luuq/Baardheere my town would be different because it’s where I have family. Case in point OD was he not salivating at the idea of the clashes that were taking place in Gedo via that condom Janaan?


That said ultimately being invested in every single Somali conflict I feel at the end of the day is kind of fruitless.

You are displaying fatigue.

Wallahi we are all as Somalis fatigued of conflict at this moment.

P.S. As for me personally, I don't even necessarily view this from outside the conflict. I have Dhullo blood, Dhullo aunts/uncles, Dhullo first cousins, cousins with Dhullo mothers, Dhullo nieces and nephews, nieces and nephews with Dhullo mothers, Dhullo sister-in-laws/brothers-in-lawsThey are the biggest clan sourcing the greatest number of family and immediate relatives after MX. Ironically MJ is the 3rd following Dhullo which probably also explains my weird soft spot for them regardless of political disagreement.

[original dervish]

Murax.........show me a single post where I was "salivating" over the fighting in Gedo and I will leave this site forever.

Nobody requires you to have any sympathy for Lascaanood.......but don't lie on me to justify your apathy.
Just say you don't give a shit.......its ok, really.

We are fighting an irrir alliance.
Sl, Djibouti and tacit support from hsm.

[Sbashi]

Gubbet,


You’re right facts. We are who we are as Somalis. If D&M were launching attacks against Luuq/Baardheere my town would be different because it’s where I have family. Case in point OD was he not salivating at the idea of the clashes that were taking place in Gedo via that condom Janaan?


That said ultimately being invested in every single Somali conflict I feel at the end of the day is kind of fruitless.

Murax this is the second thread about laascaanod where you showed your apathy and even dismissed the struggles of the people. The first one being when protestors with stones were being killed. If you have nothing positive to say don't make threads about lascaanod. Simple.

About OD comment, he is not DH. Maybe they are his abti. No DH will salivate at the idea of clashes in gedo.
In fact, those were most vocal about gedo atrocities were DH. Protests happened in dh towns about GEDO.


You seem to have this sort of idea where if the aggressor shares your ethnic group, religion and looks like you it's no biggie. Like it invalidates the struggle or minimizes the damage. What does it matter what the aggressor is if he's committing human rights violations and is dead set on a genocide? The deaths would not hurt the families less, the injured would not feel less pain. Bullet is a bullet and it's the same.

[theyuusuf143]

Murax.........show me a single post where I was "salivating" over the fighting in Gedo and I will leave this site forever.

Nobody requires you to have any sympathy for Lascaanood.......but don't lie on me to justify your apathy.
Just say you don't give a shit.......its ok, really.

We are fighting an irrir alliance.
Sl, Djibouti and tacit support from hsm.

Irirism is antidote developed by isaaq , against the daarodism virus created by majeerteen. It's a war between isaaq and majeerteen. And you are the space we are competing for.

[Gubbet]

Murax this is the second thread about laascaanod where you showed your apathy and even dismissed the struggles of the people. The first one being when protestors with stones were being killed. If you have nothing positive to say don't make threads about lascaanod. Simple.

Uhmmm...sort of what I was trying to say..🫣

[Gubbet]

You seem to have this sort of idea where if the aggressor shares your ethnic group, religion and looks like you it's no biggie. Like it invalidates the struggle or minimizes the damage. What does it matter what the aggressor is if he's committing human rights violations and is dead set on a genocide? The deaths would not hurt the families less, the injured would not feel less pain. Bullet is a bullet and it's the same.

Thank you.

Btw I deeply, deeply resented that Murax was not able to rise beyond this limitation regarding his "aloof" consideration of the level of gravity I felt Janan's attack on Beled-Xaawo warranted as a bar for bitterly breaking with Farmaajo on the Janan deal.

I even remember saying I support secularism because of Murax's referencing of "qadar" as to "enable" a casual disregard for not holding Janan to accountability. It was something like God gave man agency and Janans should be tried for punishment as a regulation of impunity.

It is almost sort of "nihilistic" bordering this apathy Murax has displayed in a number of significant human rights violations concerning Somalis.

[Sbashi]

You seem to have this sort of idea where if the aggressor shares your ethnic group, religion and looks like you it's no biggie. Like it invalidates the struggle or minimizes the damage. What does it matter what the aggressor is if he's committing human rights violations and is dead set on a genocide? The deaths would not hurt the families less, the injured would not feel less pain. Bullet is a bullet and it's the same.

Thank you.

Btw I deeply, deeply resented that Murax was not able to rise beyond this limitation regarding his "aloof" consideration of the level of gravity I felt Janan's attack on Beled-Xaawo warranted as a bar for bitterly breaking with Farmaajo on the Janan deal.

I even remember saying I support secularism because of Murax's referencing of "qadar" as to "enable" a casual disregard for not holding Janan to accountability. It was something like God gave man agency and Janans should be tried for punishment as a regulation of impunity.

It is almost sort of "nihilistic" bordering this apathy Murax has displayed in a number of significant human rights violations concerning Somalis.

It's like you said fatigue. I think because murax saw so much conflict, he doesn't "care" anymore. It's a common occurrence to him. I think he used to be very invested and came to the realization that things would be like this for a very long time and so no point worrying about it. People would be killed anyways and he would only be hurting himself if he's emotionally invested.

And yes it's only Somalis. I have noticed that murax wouldn't necessarily feel the same way about another conflict where Somalis are not the victims. He might even feel bad or empathetic about another group of people.

Murax was yes oddly forgiving of janan. Even his use of qadar means that we should just accept janan crimes and move on which isn't even what believing in qadar means. It's like murax already gave up on doing anything about any human rights violations since no one is punished for it. So the correct course is to move on.

[Murax]

Gubbet/Sbashi,


I admitted the fact that I’d be more triggered if this was D&M attacking Gedo, but don’t overplay that hand saying that I condoned the dulmi of Lascanood as I have the threads to prove it. That said, they obviously haven’t needed our helpful to handle
Their business as they decided their destiny. Also no I wouldn’t draw real world conclusions based on the views of someone who claimed Dhullos (OD). For the clan bias angle I also mentioned how HG:MX doesn’t trigger me either, and I’ll
Explain below. You say it’s conflict fatigue but what it is, is I try to contextualize Somali conflict in terms of how that conflict shapes on the world stage. Bottom line is Somali conflict is very low stakes, relatively low intensity, and ultimately it leads to no real permanent outcome.


If you were a Eithopian heavily invested in the outcome of who would win, at least it is a 2-3 year window you have to be heavily invested in emotionally to ultimately see a final conclusion (TPLF Surrender). Russia/Ukraine similar situation. Same with Syria. Somali conflict is a perpetually frozen, relatively low intensity conflict that ultimately doesn’t lead to any sort of light at the end of the tunnel conclusion. For that reason I even said HG/MX doesn’t trigger me because I know these people have been fighting for water for 500 years if not longer. Genealogy wise I’m actually related more to the subclans there than I am to most of the Gedo ones.

As for my defending of the deal with Janaan no offense but sometimes you guys get too much on this idealistic nonsense. Janaan surrendered almost a 1,000 men, dozens of Teknikos, and helped ease a situation that was tettering. No he was not Abu Mansour who was a frigging fugitive. In the interest of pragmatism if the situation was reversed I’d not only support the arrest of that Madoobe dog, but his execution.

[mahor]

The truth is habeshis are not important at this point in time, the somali/cushitic parts of hof are at its eachother throats and eachothers biggest threat, particularly the somali people. It's not because of amhara that somaliland wants to secede and commit crimes against communities within the colonial border in order to achieve it. Nor are habeshis the reason why we have isbaaros all over the south, and minorities are oppressed, and green lines exist to separate communities. We are at that phase in nation building where somalia has to be secured, or somali people need to get to a resolution on how we coexist. It's like Russia worrying about Germany in 1500s when it was still fighting off the tatar and trying to unite disparate formerly rus principalities. To the contrary, im not worried about habeshis, 90% all of our attention should be on somali matters, the 10% foreigners when somalis bring foreigners to settle scores (but even here the source of our problem is somali division/disagreement/hate).

[mahoka]

Murax.........show me a single post where I was "salivating" over the fighting in Gedo and I will leave this site forever.

Nobody requires you to have any sympathy for Lascaanood.......but don't lie on me to justify your apathy.
Just say you don't give a shit.......its ok, really.

We are fighting an irrir alliance.
Sl, Djibouti and tacit support from hsm.

How does it feel your mareexan masters have discarded you like a condom sxb - wallahi I am not even gloating I am just Surprised these niggas are being so open with it in public forums. This must be like if you find out your brother is cheating with your girl kkkkkkk