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The emergence of Jeberti irregularity and the Gaal Madow wars

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:56 pm
by GameChanger
There is alot of irregularity surrounding the Jeberti abtirsi both in the historical records and in the movement of people records but honestly in my opinion it is one of the easiest irregularities to understand.

the short version of the answer is that Jeberti consists of newly converts starting from the late 15-century upto early 1600s and it coincides with the Gaal madow wars. The invention of Jeberti was done as mercy to both the Xaamar Samaale elite who wanted to have a defense line deep into Ethiopia and Oromo territory so that they won't threaten the Samaale kingdom borders from Mudug to Kismayo and these separate kingdom in the north.

Does this names sound to you like anything else but Oromo?

1 KOOMBE
2 KABLLALAX
3 TANADE
4 KUMADE
5 ABASKUUL
6 JIIDWAAQ
7 CABUUDWAAQ
8 SUHURLE
9 GHERI
10 TAGAL
11 WAK
12 KASKAGABLE
13 HINIJIE
14 TINEH

Kombe Kablalah are still in Oromo subclans still intact with original lineage which the others split from.
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If you look at the records of peoples movements and historical records Jebertis are not present and clearly they are not semites this much we know due to their bloodline being E-V32 but still related to us but they are not samaale either just further relative the Oromo are our brothers who ventured to the southern ethiopian plains much earlier and accepted Islam much later then the others by the late 1500s.

Cabuudwaaq was an Oromo holy city of sorts and to this day it is inhabited by same people who inhabited 1000 years ago.

If you look at this map it shows that Oromia borders Gedo
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If you go back 1000 years before the Samaales even conquered or ventured to the South the Oromo's were located exactly where the Marehan are located today in Gedo and were fighting the Tunnis who themselves are distant relatives to the Oromos who intermixed with Persians and other elements and spoke the Tunni langauge.
Warday Treaty
The Warday Oromo clan under King Brawt crossed the Jubba river and invaded the Tunni Sultanate. They were defeated and driven back where the fight finally ended with another alliance that was signed in Jumbo the place now known as Gobweyn, between the Tunni and the Gala Warday. After the treaty was signed, the Tunni settled on the west bank of the Jubba River, and the Warday settle on the opposite side of the river, which was the east bank. These two zones were known as Khad Tunni and Khad Gala (Tunni limit and Wardey limit). The land was also divided into three sections. One portion for the Tunni, another section for the Gala Warday, and the third portion was designated no man's land and was left for grazing. No groups were allowed to go beyond their boundary; both clans lived that way for 300 years
This happened before the Samaales conquered the territories. The Oromo and Tunnis were fighting over the Jubboyinka and famously entered into something called the ''Warday treaty''

Samaale annexed the Tunnis once they conquered the territories running all the way from Mudug to Kismayo and pushed out the Oromo from Jubboyinka and into Gedo which didn't come under Samaale rule until few centuries later.

Now here comes the really meaty part.

As you may know the heyday of the Samaale coincides with the Islamic expansion happening all over the world and one tradition that was occuring allover the place was that the invaded majority of the times assimilated and in some cases the invaders assimilated into that culture.

And the case was the same in the horn just like the Middle east, South east asia etc etc where entire nations were arabized like Syria, entire Sham, Iraq, Egypt and the whole North Africa and Sudan.

In some cases the Turks have done the same and in other cases the turks assimilated into the cultures of these they conquered.

The galla were fierce opponents more so then the peace loving Habashi's who just remained on a small territory in the highlands but the Galla were constantly expanding and it was only a matter of time they would collide with an ever expanding Samaale something had to give.

During the early 1500s the Gaal Madow wars began which was an extensive campaign that lasted for decades and relentless all the way to Gambelle region which is the furthest of Ethiopia. The Galla were defeated soundly and entered a short period of enslavement but as many invaded nations they converted in masses. especially at the beginning in the eastern parts and everyone who converted came to this part and to somalia itself.

Braukamper, Ulrich; Braukämper, Ulrich (2002). Islamic History and Culture in Southern Ethiopia: Collected Essays. LIT Verlag Münster. p. 155. ISBN 978-3-8258-5671-7.
The most famous Somali scholar of Islam from the Ajuraan period is Sheikh Hussein, who was born in Merca, one of the power jurisdiction and cultural centers of the Ajuran Empire.[48] He is credited with converting the Sidamo people living in the area of what is now the Bale Province, Ethiopia to Islam. He is also credited with establishing the Sultanate of Bale. Despite the Bale Sultanate not being directly under Ajuran rule, the two kingdoms were deeply connected and Bale was heavily influenced by Ajuran.

His tomb lies in the town of Sheikh Hussein in what is the most sacred place in the country for Ethiopian Muslims mostly Oromo Muslims
Someone who is Samaale can via historical movement, DNA and cultural traditions trace himself back to ancient Egypt and is of mediterranean admixture not Semite admixture because they are not short but tall and have facial Cranium similar to them whereas the only semite admixture is the Amxarro since due to Queen Sheba era where semites and sub-saharan's mixed to create a new race aka Habashi who are easy to spot as they are shorter like yemenis and have different features with Semite admixture as you may know all the remaining cushitics in the horn are of Meditteranean admixture and have different build which is taller and features. As for the Samaale they have traceibility - Ancient Egypt to Aksum to splitting into Awdal and Ajuran which later was succeed by Hiraab Imamate.

Somalis use this oath often when they mean something ''Ab iyo Isir'' and they say we are descandants of Awsar and Isir which is correct statement without technically knowing who they are but just from father to son they still say we are the descandants of Awsar and Isir but 99% of the somalis don't know who Awsar and Isir are technically but just passed down to them from generation to generation and they are the father and mother of the Ancient Egyptians written on the walls. The westerners call them osiris and isis which is not the correct name but the westernized name but in it's pure form on the walls of pyramids it is written exctly like Awsar and Isir. E-V32 is direct descandant of E-V12 meaning E-V12 gave birth to E-V32 meaning it is basically E-V12 with additional mutations.

They even have some still remaining pagan stuff called ''Sar'' where woman dance and say come down 'Sar'' Because the Ancient Egyptians and pre-berbers somalis who were none muslims still believed that Awsar and Isir have assumed control over the world of the dead and spirits which is exactly what is written about them on the walls.

According Herodotus the father of history says in his book: That during the Assyrian invasion of Egypt in 673 BCE to 663 BCE that 200.000 Ancient Egyptians fled south following the nile river southwards. This was 2600 years ago and these group of people settled in what came to be known as Axum simply called as the kingdom of Aksum which is where the Samaales come from and to this day reside in most of it.

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Now here comes the solving of the puzzle where does the Jeberti comes from as they are not semites? unlike the Habashis who are actully semites due to alot of intermixing in Queen Sheba's time nor Samaale? the puzzle gets more intriguing.

The answer is simple..

First of all I would like to clarify that they are Somali thru and thru and have intermarried for 3-4 centuries including have become Somali 400 centuries nearly 500 centuries ago.

became great people and assilimated. They have done good on the land after that period to the point where they became rulers of Awdal some of them.

As for the Jeberti abtirsi it was Mercy both for them who assimilated and for the Xamaar Samaale elite and Hiraab as splitting the Galla forever would have been viewed as far lasting security assurance at that moment in history because now the Ogaden were guarding the empires borders and the Galla had no more borders with them anymore by simply making or helping these who left behind their beliefs to change their abtirsi accordingly this killed two birds with one stone they were happily accepted into the somali society and easily assimilated in a Samaale dominated world without facing discrimination but had they still kept their Oromo genelogy they would have faced alot of prejudice as the Galla Oromo was hated fiercely by the Samaale public opinion back then due to the wars and theft happening in their territories which was unsafe for a samaale to travel there they just hated their guts but since the Gaal madow wars everything changed.. Where Samaale garrisons didn't need to be stationed there anymore as kablalah has now broken free and didn't even share anymore same genelogy and lineage with the Galla and their threat was completely gone it turned into a strong alliance with Kablalah where they just could now arm Kablalah to carry on the Jihad who were strong enough for the job. No Somali would want to change his abtirsi as that is basically his passport but it can only happen if it was extremely necessary situation like this one.

These who assimilated became somali intellectuals themselves and are Somalis thru and thru not to forget the Oromo themselves are our relatives hence look wise and everything checks hence it was an easy assimilation and took approx only 5-6 generations like 120 years First via Deen and then culture. They have entered into the history books as somalis a century after that. They became leaders in Ogadenia further converted many more galla and eventually all of them and have given birth to many mujahideens

Re: The emergence of Jeberti irregularity and the Gaal Madow wars

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 12:00 am
by Gubbet
Anybody who is referencing the names "Samaale" and/or "Ajuuraan" has no place discussing history.

But even more importantly, your topic is interested in "reaction" meaning it is "reactionary." Nobody interested in history seriously or intellectually displays the profoundly bigoted motivation from a place of such deep primitive human vulnerability as is betrayed by your very choice to instigate discussion focused from "adversarially" attacking some other group.

It's like the drunk wanting to preach sobriety.

Re: The emergence of Jeberti irregularity and the Gaal Madow wars

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 12:16 am
by GameChanger
The Kablalah lineage is still intact and well preserved in the Oromo Clans as parts of them never joined the group of Kablalah who broke free from the Galla and joined Ajuran which was a major victory for Somalis at that time of history. It provided a shield from further Oromo's grassing on our lands or wasting alot of sources again to invade them and in fact there was no longer borders with them anymore as the Kingdom was war-weary at that time after fighting 2 wars back to back wasting alot of manpower and sources into these campaigns. My forefathers part took in these campaigns making sure that Islam reigned supreme in the continent. Now Kablalah who became a new ally was guarding our left flank

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Re: The emergence of Jeberti irregularity and the Gaal Madow wars

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 12:29 am
by Gubbet
You seem to misunderstand the issue of "etymology" and its applicability in historical theory or approach. Read up on how to even apply this as s tool first before implicating it in your use.

I will use Caabudwaaq which you have referenced above as an example of what I mean;
GameChanger wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:56 pm Cabuudwaaq was an Oromo holy city of sorts and to this day it is inhabited by same people who inhabited 1000 years ago.
I have already written about this. Caabudwaaq did not exist as a settlement before WW II.

Before then it was the well system called "Cabda Caalle" (Abda Alle/Abdi Alli) which had been corrupted locally by then from its original Cabd I-lleh a Somali corruption of Cabd ul-Allahi.

Cabdi Caale is basically "Cabdille" but named to am inanimate object rather than a human. The well of course so resourceful it was bidding like the servant of Allah!

The folks who declared the settlement over the wells (Haji Hashi Jama Gerri, Haji Dabcasar, Nurre Xuubeey, etc) did not want "Allah" attached to a human settlement that would implicate all sorts of human activities so they chose one of the oldest and most unique Somali & Cushitic language references as a replacement namely "Waaq."

Cabdi Allah was declared Cabdi Waaq which corrupted into Cabduwaaq to finally settle into Caabudwaaq by the 70's.
Abdi Allah --> Abda Aalle ---> Abdiwaq is today in final form Caabudwaaq settlement..

Before Caabudwaaq settement was properly declared in 1950's, the location was then prized home well of Marehan called Cabda Caalle/Abda Alle

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And almost a century earlier in 1870's, Antoine D'Abaddie noted the Buuro Region (Bur/Bor Region) of Marehan exactly what it is today: Marehan equity including its famous deep, permanent wells Raqo, Golwayn, Burgeesoole, etc starting with ABDI ALLAH (Abda Alle) aka Caabudwaaq. Together these permanent water systems were the only permanent water sources in Doollo/Warder besides Galaadi and Buuhoodle.

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As for the curious bit about why the name was even changed from Abdi Allah/Cabda Caalle----the people who declared the settlement of Caabudwaaq (Haji Hashi Jama Gerri, Haji Dabcasar, Haji Nur Hubey, etc) thought it imprudent to call a town Cabdi Allah taking the Lord's name in vain.

So it was declared Abdi Waaq which took on Abduwaaq until the 70's when, with Mudug/Galgaduud split, the former Italian Dusa Mareb district was officially renamed after its biggest settlement by then or Abduwaaq---but standardized as Caabudwaaq.
  • And Caabudwaaq was established near CEELKI CABDA CAALE. This was the permenant, deep well Caabudwaaq was strategically built near in order to even have a settlement.
    • nd it was chosen as a triangular ∆ halfway point between the three main permenant grazing zones of the Marehan then at
      • Gelinsoor/Dhabat <---> Ceel Habreed/Laba Baar<----> Cilaanle/Buuro.
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Re: The emergence of Jeberti irregularity and the Gaal Madow wars

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 1:03 am
by Gubbet
P.s. Dhuusamareeb has nothing to do with flatulence or whatever people associate with "dhuuso." It is about MYRRH..

Re: The emergence of Jeberti irregularity and the Gaal Madow wars

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 1:27 am
by Gubbet
Dhuusa btw actually means "to remove the Myrrh/Frankincense from the tree, later became synonymous with anything removed from a whole like flatulence
I didn't clearly explain that before.

"Dhuuso" is basically the process of removing the "sap" that is gathered from the Myrrh/Frankincense trees which then ends up becoming the hard or solidified Myrrh during air drying.

Dhuuso is to squeeze the sap out of the tree.

So Dhuusamareeb literally means "the place that refuses to yield sap."

It is remarkably interesting that we now know scientifically "Dhusamareb" actually marks where a great environmental transition takes place in central Somalia.

It is right where the eastern boundary of Hawd environment ends and where Adduun environment begins from it's western-most boundary---

---and it is right where MalMal or Myrrh also marks it's eastern-most historical boundary of the finest quality historically growing Between Shilabo and today's Balanbale town. Greater Balanbale encompassing even Matabaan is where the finest quality of Myrrh has been historically gathered.

So "Dhuusamareeb" was really identifying halkaas laga bilaabo "Dhuuso" MA REEBTO!!

I wouldn't even be surprised if Cayr gave it that name since Cayr are huge tappers of "Xabagta" or "sap" in comparison ro other groups in recent times including the Marehan!

Re: The emergence of Jeberti irregularity and the Gaal Madow wars

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 1:39 am
by theyuusuf143
GameChanger wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 12:16 am The Kablalah lineage is still intact and well preserved in the Oromo Clans as parts of them never joined the group of Kablalah who broke free from the Galla and joined Ajuran which was a major victory for Somalis at that time of history. It provided a shield from further Oromo's grassing on our lands or wasting alot of sources again to invade them and in fact there was no longer borders with them anymore as the Kingdom was war-weary at that time after fighting 2 wars back to back wasting alot of manpower and sources into these campaigns. My forefathers part took in these campaigns making sure that Islam reigned supreme in the continent. Now Kablalah who became a new ally was guarding our left flank

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:whoo: :ohhh: the names are exactly the same

Re: The emergence of Jeberti irregularity and the Gaal Madow wars

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 1:49 am
by GameChanger
The human Y-chromosome haplogroup E-V12 is a subclade of E-M78, which in turn is part of the larger haplogroup E1b1b1.[3] According to Cruciani et al. (2007), the E-V12 sublineage likely originated in Northern Africa. It is found across Northern Africa.

Sub-clades of E-V12

Cruciani et al. (2007) suggest that this sub-clade of E-V12, which originated in North Africa, and then subsequently expanded further south into the Horn of Africa, where it is now prevalent.[Note 2] Before the discovery of V32, Cruciani et al. (2004) referred to the same lineages as the "gamma cluster" They stated that "the highest frequencies in the three Cushitic-speaking groups: the Borana (71%) the Oromo from Ethiopia (32.0%), and the Somali (52.2%)
Note this is an old work and now the the E-V32 is approx 80-90% present amongst somalis.

The Thuya Gene; One of the autosomal ancestry markers prominent in the Royal Egyptian families of the New Kingdom this gene is called the Thuya Gene meaning it is directly the Royal Egyptian family gene..
was passed to Thuya from her forebears, Queens of Upper and Lower Egypt and High Priestesses of Hathor, the Mother Goddess. Thuya passed it to her grandson Akhenaten and great-grandson Tutankhamun, among others, as documented in a forensic study of the Amarna mummies by Zahi Hawass, head of the Supreme Council of Antiquities in Cairo, in 2010. Today, its highest incidence is in Somalians at nearly 50%. It is found in 40% of Muslim Egyptians. It crops up in high concentrations in many places around the world such as the Basque region (41%) and in Melungeons
As Somalis are approx E-V32 by about 80-90% this means the Thuya Gene is that high. Hence the Somali father and son passing down of more then 2600 years of the saying we are ''Awsar iyo Isir'' descandants is one of the few things the somalis have never gotten wrong

Re: The emergence of Jeberti irregularity and the Gaal Madow wars

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:34 am
by Ghiklo
Waaq in the old reer Bari dialect could have just meant God. The Daarood clan began in Bari, not Galbeed.

Also, don't be ridiculous Ogaden/Geri Koombes clearly taught Oromos their abtiris. By the way, you can find Hawiye clan names in the Afran Qallo confederacy.

Re: The emergence of Jeberti irregularity and the Gaal Madow wars

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:12 am
by Ghiklo
GameChanger wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 1:49 am
The human Y-chromosome haplogroup E-V12 is a subclade of E-M78, which in turn is part of the larger haplogroup E1b1b1.[3] According to Cruciani et al. (2007), the E-V12 sublineage likely originated in Northern Africa. It is found across Northern Africa.

Sub-clades of E-V12

Cruciani et al. (2007) suggest that this sub-clade of E-V12, which originated in North Africa, and then subsequently expanded further south into the Horn of Africa, where it is now prevalent.[Note 2] Before the discovery of V32, Cruciani et al. (2004) referred to the same lineages as the "gamma cluster" They stated that "the highest frequencies in the three Cushitic-speaking groups: the Borana (71%) the Oromo from Ethiopia (32.0%), and the Somali (52.2%)
Note this is an old work and now the the E-V32 is approx 80-90% present amongst somalis.

The Thuya Gene; One of the autosomal ancestry markers prominent in the Royal Egyptian families of the New Kingdom this gene is called the Thuya Gene meaning it is directly the Royal Egyptian family gene..
was passed to Thuya from her forebears, Queens of Upper and Lower Egypt and High Priestesses of Hathor, the Mother Goddess. Thuya passed it to her grandson Akhenaten and great-grandson Tutankhamun, among others, as documented in a forensic study of the Amarna mummies by Zahi Hawass, head of the Supreme Council of Antiquities in Cairo, in 2010. Today, its highest incidence is in Somalians at nearly 50%. It is found in 40% of Muslim Egyptians. It crops up in high concentrations in many places around the world such as the Basque region (41%) and in Melungeons
As Somalis are approx E-V32 by about 80-90% this means the Thuya Gene is that high. Hence the Somali father and son passing down of more then 2600 years of the saying we are ''Awsar iyo Isir'' descandants is one of the few things the somalis have never gotten wrong
Don’t be a hotep we are thousands of years removed from the Ancient Egyptians.

Re: The emergence of Jeberti irregularity and the Gaal Madow wars

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:04 am
by Ghiklo
GameChanger,

Waryaa, what is up with this hostility. Daaroods do not have any form of Oromo ancestry. This has been settled by genetics.

You are not a linguist. Stop making comments about something you are ignorant about.

Take a DNA test and your Samaale ass will cluster identically to Daaroods.

Regarding E-V12/E-V32 let’s just claim to be Somalis, walaal.

Re: The emergence of Jeberti irregularity and the Gaal Madow wars

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:46 am
by balwarama
This guy is a century and a half or 2 centuries late.
From 1848 to 1940s in British Contorolled Kenya, the Hawiye or the none Daaroods were not recognised or accepted as Somalis. The Dagodiye had to claim, Cawlyahan of Ogaden to get Daarood, priviledges.
There is no doubt that the Daarood were Royalty in Somali Country.
The Hawiye were directly or indirectly ruled by Mijertein.
Richard Burton even claims, Hawiye lives in Mijjertain Country.
Luigi Robecchi bricheti, writes in 1890, that the Darod lady's dowry is twice that of other Somalis.
As for the names, well, according to our story, the Darod was alone. He married from the Gallas who were here at the time.
Maybe the people were neither Moslems nor Somalis.
When, Edoor arrived nearly, 2 Centuries later, a lot of changes have happened.

Interestingly thou: the Guji Oromos are the only group of Oromo that still build, the primitive water catchments and deep water wells in the arid, eastern Ogaden Country, like Doolo. And I know for certain that we did not dug those wells or make those primitive water dams called, "Harooyinka" like Harodigeed. We conquered them as they were.
Maybe the Guji were the original inhabitants of these lands, today occupied by Ogaden. Maybe they were always our neighbors.

As for the Ajuuraan, there is no record of Ajuuraan and Daarood, knowing each other, at the height of Ajuuraan power.
The Daarood, later came in to contact with the Gareen branch of Ajuuraan whe were based at Qalaafo and highly respected them.

Re: The emergence of Jeberti irregularity and the Gaal Madow wars

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 8:43 am
by GameChanger
Ghiklo wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:34 am Waaq in the old reer Bari dialect could have just meant God. The Daarood clan began in Bari, not Galbeed.

Also, don't be ridiculous Ogaden/Geri Koombes clearly taught Oromos their abtiris
Something like altering of abtirsi don't happen in family based society like in the horn unless it was for a good reasons.

The truth is always out there and easy to identify people correctly but alas honestly they are somalis thru and thru in my book as I said. So are all these who migrated to Turkey or Arabia and assilimated and all these assimilations were geninue and happen for good reason and is encouraged.

It was easy to be influenced by the society build by the samaale who were wealthy and had the spice trade flowing in that period as they were going thru an era of abundance and cultural flourishing and not only they came and assimilated but many other foreigners everywhere migrated to these territories for better life opportunities Al-Andulas, Arabs, Pakistan and India etc etc who have assimilated today as you may know there are approx 1-1.5 million cad cads in somalia who assilimated centuries ago and assilimated on territories between mudug and kismayo it was civilization.

once someone exited the borders of samaale they will enter a pastoral life-style and not a civilization as far back as the late 19-century if you visited the ethiopian plains it was not a civilization but a pastoral life system in fact anywhere outside of mudug to kismayo was not a civilization hence the only civilization for centuries in the area was bound to attract migrations and naturally occuring assimilation with major cities being Mogadishu, Merca and Barawe

Re: The emergence of Jeberti irregularity and the Gaal Madow wars

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 7:26 pm
by mahoka
balwarama wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:46 am This guy is a century and a half or 2 centuries late.
From 1848 to 1940s in British Contorolled Kenya, the Hawiye or the none Daaroods were not recognised or accepted as Somalis. The Dagodiye had to claim, Cawlyahan of Ogaden to get Daarood, priviledges.
There is no doubt that the Daarood were Royalty in Somali Country.
The Hawiye were directly or indirectly ruled by Mijertein.
Richard Burton even claims, Hawiye lives in Mijjertain Country.
Luigi Robecchi bricheti, writes in 1890, that the Darod lady's dowry is twice that of other Somalis.
As for the names, well, according to our story, the Darod was alone. He married from the Gallas who were here at the time.
Maybe the people were neither Moslems nor Somalis.
When, Edoor arrived nearly, 2 Centuries later, a lot of changes have happened.

Interestingly thou: the Guji Oromos are the only group of Oromo that still build, the primitive water catchments and deep water wells in the arid, eastern Ogaden Country, like Doolo. And I know for certain that we did not dug those wells or make those primitive water dams called, "Harooyinka" like Harodigeed. We conquered them as they were.
Maybe the Guji were the original inhabitants of these lands, today occupied by Ogaden. Maybe they were always our neighbors.

As for the Ajuuraan, there is no record of Ajuuraan and Daarood, knowing each other, at the height of Ajuuraan power.
The Daarood, later came in to contact with the Gareen branch of Ajuuraan whe were based at Qalaafo and highly respected them.
Warya stop writing essays, you are galla oromo ya cagdheer. It’s why I used to cook you in jail ogaden

Re: The emergence of Jeberti irregularity and the Gaal Madow wars

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:31 pm
by ReturnOfMariixmaan
Understood