Jubbaland is Ogaden government and initiative

[balwarama]

I just laugh when I see some Ilkayar, calling himself Jubbalander and even claiming it at times.
These Ilkayars are lowlife savages who only thrive on chaos and banditry. The Ilkoyar savages are no different from their Hawiye neighbors. The Ilkayars controlled Kismaayo for 7 straight years, 1999-2006, undisturbed, save for two attempts by Morgan to recapture the town from them which were easily repulsed. And all, the Ilkoyars did for those 7 years was kill each other while intoxicated. Rob the town's people. Murder who ever they wish.
No attempt at administring the town.
No attempt at keeping peace.
No attempt at law and order.
These savage Ilkoyars refused to accept, Ahmed-madobe's leadership for nearly 12 years and counting.
These savage Ilkoyars even tried to kill or capture, Ahmed-madobe with Ethiopian forces.
These Savage Ilkoyars have used the powers of the Federal government to subjugate Ahmed-madobe, to no avail ofcourse, for neay 6 years.

So how do these savage ilkoyars expect us to accept their leadership?

[Gubbet]

[KacdoonSool]

Jubbaland needs to learn some lessons from Somaliland a mamuul with no justice and where everyone is not getting their fair share of the cake is going to get burned down the ground at some point

[skywalker25]

Gubbet is in a bubble. He lives in a totally different world to us. In this world Marexaan own Jubbaland, they have been building towns on top of Habar Gider bones. They have the richest region in all Somali-lands, more important than say waqooyi galbeed and Bari. The Marexaan have connections to Eastern European arms dealers who has been sending them arms over the past 30 years. That they bought so much arsenal bakara market sellers have been closed for business, as there’s no weapons left.

That’s just this week….

[skywalker25]

Jubbaland needs to learn some lessons from Somaliland a mamuul with no justice and where everyone is not getting their fair share of the cake is going to get burned down the ground at some point

What cake and what fair share. Nigga what share did you think you deserve in Somaliland. It’s a democracy meaning shares are done on voter representations. In any region you will by nature get people who feel like they’re entitled to more based self perception but the maths is the maths.

You think the ilkoyar/Cagdheer not to mention the minorities are going to have an equal share of the cake. That’s not fair to who ever is majority.

[KacdoonSool]

Jubbaland needs to learn some lessons from Somaliland a mamuul with no justice and where everyone is not getting their fair share of the cake is going to get burned down the ground at some point

What cake and what fair share. Nigga what share did you think you deserve in Somaliland. It’s a democracy meaning shares are done on voter representations. In any region you will by nature get people who feel like they’re entitled to more based self perception but the maths is the maths.

You think the ilkoyar/Cagdheer not to mention the minorities are going to have an equal share of the cake. That’s not fair to who ever is majority.

That is exactly the mentality that destroyed Somaliland, the 1960 deal was that Harti had to have the same amount of mps and ministers as Isaaq, SL has no right to exist as a liberal democracy her power has to be divided by clans very primitive but that is the only way Somalis can share a mamuul. Somaliland in december 2022 was on the ground an Isaaq mamuul gobelled the rest of us were just pets in the Isaaq house woof woof.

[theyuusuf143]

The Ahmed madobe led ogs in jubaland are the most smart OGs in history ,. they have no enemies at all except mareexaan. What do these marexans wants from them I really don't understand. Waxan aaminsanahay cagdheer tu arladaba way qabsan lahaayen hadaan doofaradaaas mareexaan taako u dhigi lahayn. Laakiin thanks to mareexaan. ogaadenaw walaalayal intay gacantiinu gaadhana qaata inta kale ee hawiye raxanwayn iyo biimaal degaana iska ilaawa.

[Ghiklo]

Waryaa, Maxamed Zubeyr miyaad tahay? Kismaayo has always been the traditional territory of Ogaden and Harti. Inaabti, Madoobe has largely been incompetent, this issue will be solved when another Ogaden replaces him.

[Gubbet]

Skywalker he brings up an actually interesting drawback to popularity that has been recognized in democracy.

For example, in the US, Congress has two chambers for a reason.

The House of Representatives is pure popularity. A state's number of representatives is based on "population." The more people, the more representstives. So California has 52 Reps, Texas 38, but Vermont has only 1 Rep.

The Senate, however, which not only has equal power to the House in legislation (both the House and Senate must pass the same legislation for it to become law) but even has greater powers over the Executive Branch (Judges/Ambassadors, etc must confirmed by Senate) is strictly designed "controlling" for popularity which is akin to being "anti-democratic" so to say. No matter how many people a State has or doesn't have, how big or small---every single state only has "2" just "2" senators. Vermont sends 2 Senators to Congress just like Texas and California only send "2" Senators each.

One way this affects even national US elections is remember the American president isn't decided by the "popular" vote or the millions who voted tallied across the country.

The US President is decided by the Electoral College which is exactly the number of Representatives and Senators in Congress or 538 electors.

A State's Electors are exactly their "2x" Senators + number of Representatives.

If a President wins the popular vote in the State, he gets the State's Electoral Votes required to reach 270 or more than half +1 required to win the Presidential election.

But get this, every single State has "2" senators each which is a controlling agent in the power of the popular national vote across all States because it is factored into the 538 electoral college.

Why?

Because "popularity" is not necessarily "democracy."

So he is right especially in a society like Somalis even with the length of civil strife, I think it is important we realize the process of governance is a lot more complicated than perceptions about brute popularity. It is about shared ownership, institutional confidence, unanimous consent, and universal legitimacy.

[theyuusuf143]

Warya soo koob cantarabaqashka gubetaw

[Gubbet]

Waryaa, Maxamed Zubeyr miyaad tahay? Kismaayo has always been the traditional territory of Ogaden and Harti. Inaabti, Madoobe has largely been incompetent, this issue will be solved when another Ogaden replaces him.

This vindictiveness is what led to you from being Morgan in Jubbaland in the 90's to your present relevance or place in the composition of what "Jubbaland" means.

By all means, serve yourself well reimplicating original hostilities which have impacted substantively no one else but you---to your detriment!

[skywalker25]

Jubbaland needs to learn some lessons from Somaliland a mamuul with no justice and where everyone is not getting their fair share of the cake is going to get burned down the ground at some point

What cake and what fair share. Nigga what share did you think you deserve in Somaliland. It’s a democracy meaning shares are done on voter representations. In any region you will by nature get people who feel like they’re entitled to more based self perception but the maths is the maths.

You think the ilkoyar/Cagdheer not to mention the minorities are going to have an equal share of the cake. That’s not fair to who ever is majority.

That is exactly the mentality that destroyed Somaliland, the 1960 deal was that Harti had to have the same amount of mps and ministers as Isaaq, SL has no right to exist as a liberal democracy her power has to be divided by clans very primitive but that is the only way Somalis can share a mamuul. Somaliland in december 2022 was on the ground an Isaaq mamuul gobelled the rest of us were just pets in the Isaaq house woof woof.

Dee ninyo who ever spent there tax payers money on you clearly wasted it.

Listen amongst any group of people numbers will differ. Let’s say today you have a vote in las anood and one group is victorious because of the end vote. Now that group gets the majority seats on what ever arrangement you have. Now imagine in that scenario a group with a very few number says I want a share larger than what my vote count allowed me.

This is the problem with your; we didn’t get our fair share in Somaliland. You will have the same issue with Puntland - if you decide to join them. You will have the same problem even if you decide to go your way to build your own maamul. You either a communist/dictatorship or you respect the vote. Your voting numbers represented you end share. It’s not Somaliland fault or anyone’s fault that your ego is far bigger than reality.

[balwarama]

Waryaa, Maxamed Zubeyr miyaad tahay? Kismaayo has always been the traditional territory of Ogaden and Harti. Inaabti, Madoobe has largely been incompetent, this issue will be solved when another Ogaden replaces him.

Yes, Im Maxamed Zuber.

[balwarama]

Gubbet is in a bubble. He lives in a totally different world to us. In this world Marexaan own Jubbaland, they have been building towns on top of Habar Gider bones. They have the richest region in all Somali-lands, more important than say waqooyi galbeed and Bari. The Marexaan have connections to Eastern European arms dealers who has been sending them arms over the past 30 years. That they bought so much arsenal bakara market sellers have been closed for business, as there’s no weapons left.

That’s just this week….

[KacdoonSool]

Skywalker the reer Dahir Boy thinks Somalis are logical and rational thinking decent people

If Somalis were like that the country will not been without a government for 32 years

Nobody is arguing Harti SL has the same size as Reer Shaikh Isaaq the issue is that Somalis will create a Jahbaad if they don't get exactly what the other one has this is a generally Somali mentality nothing to do with reer Lasanood what a silly thing to say

SNM and SSDF were born from the same silly childish mentality