I die when people say the Fircaun nubians were Somalis! no fckin way a Somali would be out in the desert for years laying bricks in the hot sun building the pyramids! Think about it:
-Somalis like Tuumaal were mocked, and isolated JUST because they knew how to use tools
-Somalis always found hunting shameful and ostracized those that do, when in reality it’s a life skill
-Fishing is distasteful
So what is exactly considered honorable per Somali standards? Qaad? FKD? Multiple wives/women? What does this lead to when you’re lazy but like this lifestyle? You steal, rob, pillage, lie, run afoul of the law etc. In Somalia boob or even rape. In the West scam the system.
Regarding Welfare I support it, this is by no means deriding those of us that utilize it, and have proper need. That said I’m not going out on a limb when I say collectively speaking as Somalis we don’t view it as a bridge or means to an end a la asians, spanish, etc but a permanent solution. We think we’re doing a soft isbaaro to ‘gaalada xunka ah’ but in reality they are more than happy keeping minority groups away from white suburbs. Yacni amaan aan kala helno.
Back home remittances back to Somalia while 100% necessary also will have horrible aftershocks. I bring all this up, is given the fact for Somalia to become a standard 3rd world country we will need 3 decades of a uphill herculean effort of maximum effort to become industrialized. But I finally realized now why Somalis are so abnormally obsessed with Arabs in particular Gulf Arabs. They really believe Somalia will just one day discover oil, and become instantly rich a la the Gulf. Wow.
Where is Abdiwahab252? He used to have great insight helping me bind this stuff together. Waiting for a severe admonishment from Ustaadh Barabossa blasting me for being a lost, qasaaro ciyaal qurbo with no dhiig
Somalis, like all nomads, are transitory people by nature.
No time farm, build or even develop.....its all about seeking out pastures new.
Feuding, fighting and raiding are essential skills.
Tribalism is the form of govt and insurance.
The Eurasian Steepe nomads were very similar to Somalis. However, once the conquered city states and civilisations they adopted the new settled culture.
Turkey is probably the best example of this transformation, from wandering nomad to civilised global empire.
Nomadic Somalis from the north conquered the southern civilisation and Mogadishu centuries ago, yet were unable or unwilling to abandon pastoralism.
My knowledge is limited in this historical sphere. Perhaps some of our snet historians can provide a thesis as to why Somalis didn't evolve after migrating into the southern fertile valleys .
The 300 year period the Europeans were dominating the world was preceded by the 3000 year period were they were getting dunked on by outsiders or killing each other. Look at how the Romans genocided the Gauls, they've been killing each other in the millions for a very long time.
The Ottomans adopted Byzantine customs and laws, the crescent you see on their flags was a symbol of power and was only associated with Islam because the Ottomans became the premier global power. When conquering the Jubaland there wasn't any administrative powers or civilizations to inherit. Only thing us Darod could have adopted was rearing cows and Marehan gave a hard-pass and handed them all over to the longfoots.
Development comes through conquest most of the time. The Native Indians where no less formidable or courageous than Somalis, we got lucky being located in East Africa where colonialism was only economically viable or needed after the Suez Canal was formed.
Farming techniques weren't that great and sticking with pastoralism was more viable. This wasn't the Nile Valley where you could feed millions, most farming was subsistence farming. In the South today people are abandoning farming and fleeing to urban areas due to war and famine, pastoralism is the safer bet.
In the Adal-Abyssinian war the nomads left the Highlands after it was conquered and didn't bother sticking around. We took the loot and left. We just weren't wired for it.
original dervish wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:05 pm
Somalis, like all nomads, are transitory people by nature.
No time farm, build or even develop.....its all about seeking out pastures new.
Feuding, fighting and raiding are essential skills.
Tribalism is the form of govt and insurance.
The Eurasian Steepe nomads were very similar to Somalis. However, once the conquered city states and civilisations they adopted the new settled culture.
Turkey is probably the best example of this transformation, from wandering nomad to civilised global empire.
Nomadic Somalis from the north conquered the southern civilisation and Mogadishu centuries ago, yet were unable or unwilling to abandon pastoralism.
My knowledge is limited in this historical sphere. Perhaps some of our snet historians can provide a thesis as to why Somalis didn't evolve after migrating into the southern fertile valleys .
We did manage to build the greatest empire on African soil and pretty much a kingdom on per with any European empire in it's heyday.
1. Medieval hydraulic empire (only African hydraulic empire during middle ages)
2. One of the first non-European states to successfully engage Portugal in naval warfare which was the superpower of the day. Several battles were waged between the Portuguese and the Ajuuraan who defended their cities from Portuguese occupation and defeat them.
3. First empire in Africa and one of the first non-European states which succeeded in mobilizing an operation to intervene to assist foreign states and drive the Portuguese out of established colonies like liberating them from Oman and the current day UAE. At the request of rulers from Southeast Africa, a joint Ajuuraan-Ottoman naval force freed occupied cities.
4. The empire was also engaged in exploration and had a diplomatic presence as far as China where it established the first recorded African community in China during reign of Emperor Yongle (1360 –1424). Ajuuraan explorers for example went to the Maldives where they occupied the island and found gold before the arrival of the Portuguese. Merchants from Mogadishu established a colony in Mozambique to extract gold from the mines in Sofala etc.
5. Merchants sailed to Cairo, Damascus, Mocha, Mombasa, Aden, Madagascar, Hyderabad and the islands of the Indian Ocean and the Red Sea, establishing communities along the way.
6. The Ajuuraans had their own currency which was in wide circulation. 15th century Ajuuraan coins were found recently in the UAE.
The empire left an extensive architectural legacy, being the major medieval Somali power engaged in castle and fortress building, with many of the hundreds of ruined fortifications dotting the landscapes of Somalia today attributed to Somali engineers
You would be amazed if you see the architecttural legacy they left behind. They use to bulit in white limestone exclusively making their houses still stand despite being build centuries ago because it was build in solid limestones
No other African nations can reach that height no Habasha or Eriterian... They don't have that kind of sailing where the sky is the limit but we have.. Note in few decades we can repeat it again and we being the only Nuclear armed country in the continent mark my words
When the flood occured, the three sons of Noah split the Known Worlds inheritance in the Near East. The confusion is the split is assumed to be based on colour and land which is not entirely far from the truth, it has just taken on a majority theory in European studies i.e Ham = Black Africa, Sem = Asia, Japeth = Europe. For reasons of survival in a new world, the Hamites were farmers, the Semites were shepherds and the Japethites were fishermen. According to the sealed nectar, the three sons had particular traits, the Hamitics were strong in build and energy, though the Genesis hides it i believe the Hamitic farmers were the first sons and oldest civilisations. They moved to all the riverines like the Nile, Euphrates and the Rift Valley. The Canaanites sons of Ham or Jabaariyiin expelled from Jerusalem area in the time after Moses were farmers. The modern Hebrew has traces of their language. Even the Dravidian sindhu farmers of India share an ancestor with them, the Dravidians in their history mention becoming a low caste after being pushed south by later lighter skinned Aryan looking for water. Nimrod son of Cush son of Ham who built the tower in Iraqi Euphrates and the Pharaonic Mizraim son of Ham palaces in Egypt are all signs of farmers. The Genesis also mentions the Aramaic Semetic empires of Ad and Thamud built palaces after living with Cushitics in southern Arabia before their expulsion into Africa. In those days Arabia was green. Somalis are Semitic origin but Cushitic speakers, our language has remnants of being loud and unforgiving (no word for please) like other Hamitic languages. The modern day Jareer is the remnant of these civilisations, who were described as powerful and mighty while all humans were tall and lived longer? The Jareer materialism and xoog has some roots from this. Similarly Egyptian and Iraqis are on average bigger boned than their Arab counterparts. The Cushites are Amhara and Tigray who speak a Semitic tongue. There was a cultural exchange historically here and it is by their Cushite claims that they claim the inheritance of East Africa not the Solomonic dynasty.
The Japetheties were the ancestors of Persians, Turks, Europeans and Chinese. Basically all Indo Europeans, fish loving people. Tabari and others described this son as farsamo yaqaan and the lightest of them. Japeth in old Hebrew means to expand, they first domesticated the horse and said "to always live in the tents of Sem". It was already prophecised they would rule the Earth until the prophetic era.
The Semites were people of the book, every prophet was sent as a shepherd because the Semites had the most noble of characters in travelling, rearing family and human development. I dived into Yahuud/Arab fkd and it has taken on a DNA form. The Jews of Sefardim have a lot of E1b1b and confirm it was them who the Romans discriminated as nomads. The Ashkénazi Jews are seen as modern Yiddish Europeans who embraced Judaism in the last few centuries. Similarly there is a question mark on the Arab Js being Turkish, only 1 subclade is said to be semitic that follows the E1b1b route into Asia and Europe. Watch from 19 mins to 26.
The Japethites were cunning but isolated and uncultured without guidance, the Semites were natural leaders of mankind but low IQ in civilisation and the Hamites were wealthy but arrogant. You can conclude from that we have Semitic traits of nomadism, accepting Islam freely, closer in DNA to Moroccan Berbers than darker races. The Jews say we are South Arabian sons of Esau bin Ishaq, where Esau means Red and pronounced العثا "Casse". Red is exactly the colour you get when mixing Brown, Yellow and White. His story is one who gave up his inheritance to his brother Jacob and migrated. The Samaale iyo Sab geneaology is therefore a cultural one. Samaale and RX share a common ancestor as the last large migration of Semitic people into the Horn.
Sab would have been a Pre Islamic name for a minority farming group the RX first employed as clients .The ancient T markers came as boat people such as Isaaq and the Tumaal J. They are all Persian J descendants. The Isaaq became herdsmen and thus Dir was formed. Daarood broke off from Samaale and formed a new tribe living with coastal dwellers. You will notice Isaaq history starts off in the coast while some Hawiye and Darod subclans reach the coast much later. Over time farming and fishing was adopted from a business point of view after Islam had arrived.
Some other less known facts. Semetic people were said to be the best in looks. They were less hairier than their northern counterparts but more defined than their Hamitic brothers. Hamitic people lived in hot lands, for Semites neither hot nor cold and for Japethites a cold land in the North. The Ana Arab and Reer Saalim (Shalom) Goyim are not far from the truth if you consider Eber son of Shelah or Huud bin Saalax as the founding father of E1B1 for he was the best in Arabic speech before the loss of languages at the Tower of Babel.
Daaroods are not Samaale Somalis; however, Daaroods are also not Oromos. The common Somali male line ancestor was not a historical figure, unlike the Samaale in Hawiye abtiris.
Although Daaroods and other Somalis do not have a known shared historical ancestor, both descend from Somali men who were anciently related to each other.
The two biggest lineages in Somaliweyn were spread by MENA-like people who cannot be connected to the sons of Noah.
Murax, archeology in Somalia is in its infancy, so information about the oldest Somali kingdoms/civilizations is bound to change. Caveat: If a prehistoric Somali civilization existed, it would be in the deep South. This could mean it was started by Somali-like people and not our ancestors.
Murax wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:03 pm
I die when people say the Fircaun nubians were Somalis! no fckin way a Somali would be out in the desert for years laying bricks in the hot sun building the pyramids! Think about it:
-Somalis like Tuumaal were mocked, and isolated JUST because they knew how to use tools
-Somalis always found hunting shameful and ostracized those that do, when in reality it’s a life skill
-Fishing is distasteful
So what is exactly considered honorable per Somali standards? Qaad? FKD? Multiple wives/women? What does this lead to when you’re lazy but like this lifestyle? You steal, rob, pillage, lie, run afoul of the law etc. In Somalia boob or even rape. In the West scam the system.
Regarding Welfare I support it, this is by no means deriding those of us that utilize it, and have proper need. That said I’m not going out on a limb when I say collectively speaking as Somalis we don’t view it as a bridge or means to an end a la asians, spanish, etc but a permanent solution. We think we’re doing a soft isbaaro to ‘gaalada xunka ah’ but in reality they are more than happy keeping minority groups away from white suburbs. Yacni amaan aan kala helno.
Back home remittances back to Somalia while 100% necessary also will have horrible aftershocks. I bring all this up, is given the fact for Somalia to become a standard 3rd world country we will need 3 decades of a uphill herculean effort of maximum effort to become industrialized. But I finally realized now why Somalis are so abnormally obsessed with Arabs in particular Gulf Arabs. They really believe Somalia will just one day discover oil, and become instantly rich a la the Gulf. Wow.
Where is Abdiwahab252? He used to have great insight helping me bind this stuff together. Waiting for a severe admonishment from Ustaadh Barabossa blasting me for being a lost, qasaaro ciyaal qurbo with no dhiig
The Somali Puntites/Macrobians were acclaimed for their magnificent, outstanding architecture and abundance in resources which woahed Greek historian travellers and the Egyptians who went as far as calling Punt the land of the Gods, on top of that they had one of the most advanced powerful militaries which was feared world wide, that's why we have never been fully conquered and subjugated as a people. Punt had many rich coastal trading cities which had advanced ships trading all around the world from India, to the Roman empire.
The existence of Punt can not be denied as many archaeological pharaonic artefacts have been found in Puntland and Somaliland, and some of them were even founded by civilians. Also, it was not Somalis pushing the bricks for the Pyramids, the Puntites were the architects who worked on it's blueprint.
Later the kingdom fell, most likely due to a change in climate (north Africa was a vast green forest only 5,000 years ago) causing Somalis to adapt a new way of life to adapt to the new harsh conditions of their country and so they adopted pastoralism, and even then we had huge powerful advanced empires which subjugated neighbouring kingdoms and had rich trading cities as Mandolorian explained.
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Ghiklo wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:22 pm
Re: Statements made by OwQariib
Daaroods are not Samaale Somalis; however, Daaroods are also not Oromos. The common Somali male line ancestor was not a historical figure, unlike the Samaale in Hawiye abtiris.
Although Daaroods and other Somalis do not have a known shared historical ancestor, both descend from Somali men who were anciently related to each other.
The two biggest lineages in Somaliweyn were spread by MENA-like people who cannot be connected to the sons of Noah.
Murax, archeology in Somalia is in its infancy, so information about the oldest Somali kingdoms/civilizations is bound to change. Caveat: If a prehistoric Somali civilization existed, it would be in the deep South. This could mean it was started by Somali-like people and not our ancestors.
The majority of Somalis all share a common ancestor which lived 2,600 years ago, who was most likely Samale, modern DNA tests have provided scientists the ability to see your Y haplogroup markers all the way back to Adam AS, and see how old they are.
There could never have been a Cushitic civilization in the south, we have enough archaeological findings and historical writings to prove the location of Punt was northern Somalia, there were dozens of rich coastal trading cities known throughout the ancient world which spanned from the Zeila all the way to Mogadishu.
Ghiklo wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:22 pm
Re: Statements made by OwQariib
Daaroods are not Samaale Somalis; however, Daaroods are also not Oromos. The common Somali male line ancestor was not a historical figure, unlike the Samaale in Hawiye abtiris.
Although Daaroods and other Somalis do not have a known shared historical ancestor, both descend from Somali men who were anciently related to each other.
The two biggest lineages in Somaliweyn were spread by MENA-like people who cannot be connected to the sons of Noah.
Murax, archeology in Somalia is in its infancy, so information about the oldest Somali kingdoms/civilizations is bound to change. Caveat: If a prehistoric Somali civilization existed, it would be in the deep South. This could mean it was started by Somali-like people and not our ancestors.
The majority of Somalis all share a common ancestor which lived 2,600 years ago, who was most likely Samale, modern DNA tests have provided scientists the ability to see your Y haplogroup markers all the way back to Adam AS, and see how old they are.
There could never have been a Cushitic civilization in the south, we have enough archaeological findings and historical writings to prove the location of Punt was northern Somalia. There were dozens of rich coastal trading cities known throughout the ancient world which spanned from the Zeila all the way to Mogadishu.
That man was not named Samaale. Not even the earliest historically literate societies would be able to keep track of an abtiris containing 108 names. By the way, during the 2000-1500 BCE period in which Punt was thriving, we still hadn't diverged from other Cushites to become Somalis yet. So we also can't claim Punt. Lol, it's just been all around Ls for us.
no fckin way a Somali would be out in the desert for years laying bricks in the hot sun building the pyramids! Think about it:
