Look @ this conversation btw Ogaden & Isaaq to see why my geocoding is transformational. It undid 80 yr info blackout.

[Gubbet]

Walaalayaalloow, read this conversation which I just came across randomly while searching something else on the net. What I want you to notice is "MarsinQorahay" the Ogaden vs group of Isaaq gentlemen.

One of the Isaaq made this comment concerning who lives in what they called 'Hawd'

Ciidagale, Habar Yoonis, Habar Jeclo, Dhulbahante, Ogaadeen, Mareexaan, Majeerteen, Gaadsan (Dir) and other smaller clans. According to people here Arap being part of the Hawd clans is debatable.

The Ogaden comes in and----singularly---zeroes in on one community;

Ciidagale, Habar Yoonis, Habar Jeclo, Dhulbahante, Ogaadeen, Mareexaan, Majeerteen, Gaadsan (Dir) and other smaller clans. According to people here Arap being part of the Hawd clans is debatable.

Where in hawd does mareexan live?

The next couple of pages is the first Isaaq gentleman plus other Isaaqs with basic geographic knowledge (you can excuse Skywalker who was getting push back from the Isaaq themselves concerning his geographic weakness about his own clan) pushing back against the incredibly and intentionally dishonest Ogaden guy by literally just stating the truth---as in not trying to 'defend' Marehan but reflecting the truth.

Keep in mind that 'Hawd & Reserved" was just the British identification of the 'part' of Hawd the clans under their protection extended or reached during Gu, in their advocacy for those clans to continue to graze up to that limit, but the actual heart of 'Hawd' is really Geladi to Wardher of which the 'heart' is Marehan Buuro Region with permanent water.

But in any case even the modern 'Warder' district is majority Marehan deegaan.

The MarsinQorahay guy, who still posts on here, was a absolutely dementedly obsessed with hiding the truth.

But the Isaaq gentlemen who were no novices to basic Somali deegaan weren't having it.

Read here;

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 5#p4667515



Now judge that conversation in the context of what I have been able to do ILLUMINATING the truth about the extent of Marehan settlement of eastern Somali Region since geocoding on the land.



Marehan are literally 95% of the land EAST of the "road" linking Warder and Shilabo towns.

This is how far Marehan extends even to the Shilabo district he completely erases Marehan from in that topic in an actually PROPORTIONAL Google map (even the Somali Region made maps they throw around INTENTIONALLY bring down the 'proportion' of 'area' of Marehan settlements)



In other words. Marehan are the MAJORITY of Warder DISTRICT, OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF SHILABO DISTRICT, AND APPROXIMATELY HALF OF GELADI DISTRICT.

I want every god damn MX to read that exchange to see just how viciously and intolerably they were targeted with INFORMATION BLACKOUT concerning their reality im Eastern Somali Region for the past 80 years until I fixed every god damn map in the world regarding geographic data of this area

[Rebelxx222]

It’s the last days of Ramadan Gubbet. Stay away from lying.

[Gubbet]

What did I lie about?

That you don't live in Fadhigaraadle? In Garasle? In Laasacaano? In Ceel Baxay? In Ceel Dibir? In Cilaanle? In Raqo? In Golweyn? In Burgeesoole? In Baalgoray? In Yamaaruglay? In Waal? In Duuban? In Godane? In Booso? In Qorof? In Jeed? In Eelay? In Dorshaan? In Inagabile? In Xodale? In Goohwayne? In Buulale? In Booraancad? In Bali Jibraa'iil? In Tulo Sarmaan? In Dhigih? In Hananweylood? In Kugudharabtay? In Tulo Hananle? In Ramalo? Etc etc etc.

What did I lie about?

That there is not even a single settlement Marehan and Ogaden "share" as you ignorantly assumed as an expected retort or deflection before I made you understand there is not even 1 single "shared" settlement like for example you could even be 5% or something or vice versa?

What did I lie about?

That your most "eastern" settlement is Caleen in Shilabo, Durwa Hararaf in Warder---both mere kms from the road between Shilabo town and Warder town where the rest 90% between road to border is Marehan-and that you don't even have a single settlement in the southern half of Gelatin settled by Marehan?

You are shameless because you have no sense of dignity even tiny bit. If you did, you would not respond to either me or this subject in totality knowing what you are implicated in.

An exact parallel to this are Muuse supporters who put their clan name over Las Anod to imply something fundamentally more contemptible than mere 'Somaliland' is being defended.

And you have the nerve to bring up religion and God when you fundamentally implicate yourself in dishonesty and malice claiming a man's home of which there is no reason and in which case you have none.

Except dulmi.

Dulmi deserves only defense.

[LeJusticier]

I see lot of forgotten old timer names in that debate.

[Hulkujir]

Isaaqu waali waa ku oga balse ma ahan niman been sheego, in other words they say what they believe and believe what they say. Cagdheerta xitaa saas ayee waa ahaan jireyn but munafaqada iyo muufada ayee barteen.


This is Coldoon from 2018 overview of only some of the xasuuq, dil, dhac and barakacin Liyuu has carried against MX in that land, Coldoon is not MX, infact he has nothing to do with MX other than Somalinimo and Islamnimo, some would say he is Cadow MX only because he is Isaaq which I disagree with, he is detailing some of what we have been dealing with for the past 12 years, wax badan baa ka dambeeye qoraalkan wax badan baana ka horeeye. We have had plenty of Gaashomo style attacks and worse on us by Abdi Iley and Cagjar

https://www.facebook.com/sindibaad/post ... kuA9axbKWl

When it is not Liyuu we go back to 80s the xasuuq in tuulo Eelay, Raqo, etc carried out by SSDF/mengistu with funding from Libya and Yemen, interesting fact I read from declassified documents, the SSDF tried to bring SNM in on the Xasuuq but they categorically refused to target MX civilians in Doolo/Qoraxey and instead choose to fight SNA troops not in the cities but in their military bases in Wuqooyi, this is why their own people ended up supporting them. Where SNM refused the combatants that would later become USC were fully involved in the attack on MX the attack that would see the first ever invasion of Somalia lead by Col Abdulahi Yusuf all the way back in 1984, so when a Hawiyo says Abdulahi Yusuf waa is a traitor, well so was USC and not just to the nation and the government in charge at the time, but to the people, they targeted civilians SSDF/USC.

[Gubbet]

Isaaq waa dad fiican, I got to experience them closely.

So are Majerten das fiican, Hawiye are dad fiican, Rahanweyn are dad fiican, and so are Marehan dad fiican.

Somalis are really all dad fiican---

---except to their immediate 'neighbor' in that implicated moment of fighting over resources, equities, or just plain situational greed and arrogance---

---in which case they are capable of terrible, horrible attrocities.

So the Majerten was vicious against Marehan civilians right after what they viewed was a vicious injustice towards them by a 'Marehan' government in which they had a guy like Cirro, so lionized within their group, killed.

And the Isaaq, who until then were not implicated in substantive community grievance (which would occur later) were 'indifferent' to vengeance against Marehan as a community but when that is implicated, we get what we are witnessing live this very moment where they were just stopped short of trying to 'ethnically cleanse' Dhulbahante but not before shockingly and even heinously, in marked evil, lobbying shells at a civilian population intentionally cognizant there was no 'military target' but only 'hospitals, schools, clinics, mosques.'

Similarly, Marehan claims injustice from Rahanwayn which, having implicated 'vengeance,' their actions are linked to the starvation and human catastrophy so shocking (and uniquely affecting the Rahanwayn) the world immediately decided to militarily intervene in Somalia.

Somalis are all dad fiican until they are implicated in evil towards their immediate neighbor.

Given this contextualization, I would personally like to let it be known my interest, objectives, and even care for this topic is about overcoming, NOW, the obstacles and impediments facing the Marehan community of eastern Somali Region for the benefit of their long denied political enfrenchisement starting tomorrow, if not immediately today.

Somali grievances are a never ending drama series. I would like to shut the door on the ones from over 30 years ago that have absolutely nothing to do with this topic today.

Abdullahi Yusuf and Siad Barre are dead. The Kacan and SSDF are history. And today even Majerten, or for that matter Cumar Maxmuud, have made an alliance with Marehan, or for that matter Wagardhac, even officiating this alliance with the membership of Saaxo in Puntland, for the mutually shared goal of protecting Galaadi grazing.

'Marehan' interests "today" are the same as "Majerten" interests north of the Shabelle River which is what this topic is about.

All my energy, attention, and even imposition of 'colaad' is immediately east and west of Balanbale where my immediate 'neighbors' have so kindly and warmly decided it upon themselves to gift me the infamous Somali 'neighbor treatment.'

The only thing I want or care about at this moment is 'repaying' their 'kindness' as 'warmly' as received.

Everything else is a 'distraction.'

[Gubbet]

Just going to continue on in this topic going forward from the previous;

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 5#p5048236

There's been quite a bit of google approvals since last update;

1. Dalsan
2. Libahyale (Libaaxyaale)
3. Dafle
4. Dilimbaa
5. Angalo
6. Dhaake
7. Ali Yalo
8. Lan Dodole (Laan Dowdowle)
9. Burale
10. Horiyo (Xoriyo)
11. Darasalam
12. Boran Ad (Booraan-cad)
13. Sarmaan (Tuulo Sarmaan)
14. Hananle (Tuulo Hananle)
15. Gahandhale (Gaxandhaale)!

[Gubbet]

Just going to continue on in this topic going forward from the previous;

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 5#p5048236

There's been quite a bit of google approvals since last update;

1. Dalsan
2. Libahyale (Libaaxyaale)
3. Dafle
4. Dilimbaa
5. Angalo
6. Dhaake
7. Ali Yalo
8. Lan Dodole (Laan Dowdowle)
9. Burale
10. Horiyo (Xoriyo)
11. Darasalam
12. Boran Ad (Booraan-cad)
13. Sarmaan (Tuulo Sarmaan)
14. Hananle (Tuulo Hananle)
15. Gahandhale (Gaxandhaale)!

Forgot;

16. Gesawayne

[Miles8]

Gubbet at the top of his elements. Well done with the mappings

[Gubbet]

Gubbet at the top of his elements. Well done with the mappings

Gracias, mi amigo

[eliteSomali]

Hawd consists of the Danot, Gashamo, Aware, south easten Faafan and North west of Bookh district, none of which is settled by Marehan.
So the Ogaden guy is right, and you are wrong.

[skywalker25]

Voltage, thank you for mentioning me. However you didn't really need to but I understand you need to keep repeating these towns and this map as many times as possible so that the google IA picks it up inorder for you to have SOME relevance.

Hawd is the GUBA voltage, no Guba no hawd for you. sorry buddy.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Voltage, thank you for mentioning me. However you didn't really need to but I understand you need to keep repeating these towns and this map as many times as possible so that the google IA picks it up inorder for you to have SOME relevance.

Hawd is the GUBA voltage, no Guba no hawd for you. sorry buddy.

I love seeing dead HJ on tik tok

[skywalker25]

Voltage, thank you for mentioning me. However you didn't really need to but I understand you need to keep repeating these towns and this map as many times as possible so that the google IA picks it up inorder for you to have SOME relevance.

Hawd is the GUBA voltage, no Guba no hawd for you. sorry buddy.

.

I love seeing dead HJ on tik tok

Sxb, waa caadi we bleed like everyone else nothing worth searching tik tock for. But one difference we are NEVER the victims being caught laking in some border region.

I heard they hit you for 6 last week, you have a problem the OPP’s don’t respect you

[Gubbet]

Basic facts;

"The Hawd" as a scientifically measured geographical, economic, historical, as well as a socio-political referenced "area" ("The Livelihood Zone") in Ethiopia;



Just in case you cannot tell LHP is the official longform name of "Lowland Hawd Pastoral;" here is the official classification of "Hawd"



Hawd is almost entirely just modern day "Doollo" + Shilabo district of Korahe.

As you can see, about 1/3 of Hawd is Harti, just a tad higher than 1/4 is Marehan, about 1/5 each is Ogaden (overwhelmingly Makaahiil, but including Bah Geri) and just a tad shy of 1/5 is Isaaq (almost completely Garxajis and primarily Habar Yoonis).

Similarly, for dependence on that area, the LPH has a containment area extending into Somalia (plus Somaliland) of the entire extent of people, culture, and livelihood that are linked to that geographic area;



For those who can't see where Hawd Pastoral limits are



100 and something years after colonialism, there is an indictment here about basic Somali Studies if active, tuned in observers of Somali events are still failing to understand meaning of basic geographical and political words.

Hawd and Reserved is like 'British Somaliland."

It was just a colonial reference to "identify " something implicated ONLY in British colonial administration.

Namely, they took a 'part' of Somali inhabited lands wherein a Somali people swelled.

So they named it "British Somaliland." It doesn't mean that is the extent of Somali inhabited lands or that the Somalis in British Somaliland were the only Somalis. Rather it just means the 'part' of Somalis and Somali inhabited lands that concerned 'British administration."

The "Hawd and Reserved" was the colonial reference to identify where those Somalis "concerning" British administration extended over the border into the "Hawd" livelihood zone. Marehan didn't concern them, Majerten didn't concern them, Ogaden didn't concern them---only British Somaliland subjects who were linked to the Hawd geographical zone. And how far they extended (which varies due to climate) is what the "Hawd and Reserve" British reference was in their negotiations with Ethiopia lobbying for their subjects in British Somaliland to continue grazing migration. It has nothing to do with what is the actual, literal Hawd livelihood zone itself.

As for Elite, and the Bokh and his response, my response to you is I find it regrettable that nothing contextualizes even the basic creation of what you just conjured other than it is predicated on profound---seriously profound insecurity towards Marehan and extreme sensitivity to what concerns them. I don't know why you are like that, and truthfully, I feel sorry that you are impacted that way. As you can imagine, when I said MarsinQorahay still posts on this forum---I actually had you in mind. I hope you don't always have to be this way.