Galmudug building an police station in Galgalad (on Ethiopia/Somalia border)

[Kees70]

Guul Galmudug/Sacads

[original dervish]

I knew Somalia was arid......but this is a whole different level of dryness.

It looks like Saudis empty quarter.
No wonder folk migrated southwards.

[Gubbet]

I knew Somalia was arid......but this is a whole different level of dryness.

It looks like Saudis empty quarter.
No wonder folk migrated southwards.

You touched what is at the heart of this. Central Somalia is a wasteland and all of Habar Gidir desires to access the little relatively more favorable grazing pastures of Marehan across the border which Marehan has said no to since time immemorial because they see it as "trespassing" on them.

If the resources were not so extremely limited and then more spread out none of this would even be relevant or Kees making a mountain hole out of a remote nothing burger not even a single city block long 5 kms outside Gelinsoor hamlet. Even Gelinsoor the actual hamlet is dying. These people do not live on industry, but animal husbandry. They are livestock pastoralists. The relevance to Gelinsoor as the El Dorado or key/entrance to the namesake grazing until the Buuro Marehan in the middle of Warder district has all been replaced by Dhabad as the southern entrance and Saaxo as the northern entrance.

Sadly all of this is about access to very small, limited natural resources which have taken on so mant different layers compounded by the Darod vs Hawiye animus from 1991 that poured hot gasoline.

In the next 15 years, there is going to be the eruption of very sudden and huge population movement/displacement between the Coast to the Highway in central Somalia when the threshold is reached that can no longer barely keep carrying livelihood there. They are going to swarm Benadir and Mogadishu. If you look at cyclical population trackings, there is already what I called a population "hemorrhaging" in almost all of Galmudug's districts except for Caabudwaaq district. Practically all of these people have lost all livestock equity and having been migrating to Mogadishu. Dusamareb is the single hardest hit district followed by Hobyo.

[Gubbet]

I have been tracking it for sometime now regarding population. This below post is From June, 2021

The truth is Central Somalia is a wasteland and the Marehan that had not migrated had occupied the eastern entrance into the Hawd with a well clear boundary line.

1991 and civil war caused temporary fluctuations in involuntary population movements as happened to many groups particularly Marehan, but as the rer Hassan expelled from Nageyle in 1992 today own the deed to Deka Suftu so too Marehan has closed the breach of the highway with Wagardhac's Kaxandhaale district administration.

Everything else including such sporadic moments like this are unfortunate individual circumstances akin to statistical white noise.

There is a very clear trajectory in Central Somalia.

The only places capable of sustainable growth is the far Western boundary zone.

Everything else is in decline including population. For example, while Balanbale and Dhabat are growing, Dhusamareb is actually hemorrhaging population with over 60% of its young migrating to Benadir.


Population Settlement


Population Density


Least vs Most Urban



Market Access vs Remote


And finally the Clan settlement has not changed substantively since the Galti Migration as drawn by Robecchi.

[Sauron]

Hawiye should karbash the boons into the dark ages and take everything from them.

You can’t coexist with a darod cancer, you have to chop it off before it spreads.

[theyuusuf143]

Guul sacad siciid , afuufa wagardhaca.

[Gubbet]

Hawiye should karbash the boons into the dark ages and take everything from them.

You can’t coexist with a darod cancer, you have to chop it off before it spreads.

Human beings are not "cancer" and to use language that even verbalizes "chopping over before spreading" towards them is the most escalated warning of serious risk for dehumanization.

You are implicated in something that is profoundly destructive. Reconsider your values.

[Miles8]

I knew Somalia was arid......but this is a whole different level of dryness.

It looks like Saudis empty quarter.
No wonder folk migrated southwards.

You touched what is at the heart of this. Central Somalia is a wasteland

Partially true.

Central Somalia is partially waste land the only areas of greenery in Galmudug is on the east side along a long strip from Wasil to Ceeldhere approx 30% of galmudug it has greenery which borders Sh. Dhexe but Galmudug's entire west section is dry land desert including the Ethiopian section all the way to west of Kebri Dehar you will find some greenery for the first time but not much but partial greenery until you reach Fig where proper lushness will begin and Fig is 160km east of Harar sits between Kebri Dehar and Harar.. HG green lands is on the east side of Galmudug but majority of these lands belong to Murusade, Dububle and Abgaal.

Puntland is completely gone unlike Galmudug it has sections of green but Puntland doesn't have it.. You can say 70% of Galmudug has no potential and is bound for migrations and you can say 100% of PL is wasteland with no potential and bound for migration.

People are only there because it is lands of there forefathers but other then that it doesn't offer much potential hence why there is low population in PL and also Galmudug has been hit by the same and now there are more HG in Mogadishu and SH. Hoose then actully in Galmudug.

I would also add that 95% of Hawd is gone to desertification. Somali region approx 15% is still green but somali region is huge hence that 15% is significiant and beneficial and in my honest opinion this is why our population failed to grow like Kenya, Uganda and Ethiopia and partially this is why the Civil war started it had everything to do with economy for the common joe who literally took a gun for no politicss but he wanted personal gains such as material gains

[original dervish]

The Somali coastal waters has immense resources in terms of fisheries, hydrocarbons and tourism.
The future for these desert dwellers across Somalia is the coast. We need to build a great ocean highway from Loyacaade to Raskamboni.

[Gubbet]

My friend above with the new name of Miles doesn't understand the small cowpeas belt from Ceeldheer to Hobyo where they used to grow cowpeas and small legumes for survival is virtually incapable of animal husbandry and is neither agriculturally viable even to support a local village. It was pure subsistence for very small peasant communities to eke out a basic subsistence living.

Somalia is either interriverrine for substantive peasantry existence or it is having access to grazing for the bulk of the Somali people which is why "camels" became rasamaal or equity (camel for blood price, meher rtc).

Do you see the organge below? It marks the boundary of the end of hawd grazing in Somalia. You can sustain smaller grazing for ruminants particularly sheep outside of that Zone and smaller quantity of camels particularly supplemented with "qamadi" or wheatgrass as they do the closer you get to Benadir, but substantial accumulation and holding of camels and large flocks of goats is virtually impossible in Somalia north of the Shabelle River in Somalia unless you have access to Hawd grazing with Mareer and other hardy camel grazing and ban (naq or feed). And even that area is seriously stressed and is becoming unable to handle the normal cyclical migration with rains failing more frequently.

So what is doing when you cannot keep up animal husbandry and the smal cowpeas zone was never sufficiently capable of implicating full or large agrarian living?

You migrate or become displaced to urban poverty and squalor.

Walle Somalia dhib baa kusoo socoto the worst climate change gets.

Dhaqlaa ku wada jirnaa Somali hadii aan nahay iyo waxaan macno lahayn.

[Miles8]

My friend above with the new name of Miles doesn't understand the small cowpeas belt from Ceeldheer to Hobyo where they used to grow cowpeas and small legumes for survival is virtually incapable of animal husbandry and is neither agriculturally viable even to support a local village. It was pure subsistence for very small peasant communities to eke out a basic subsistence living.

Somalia is either interriverrine for substantive peasantry existence or it is having access to grazing for the bulk of the Somali people which is why "camels" became rasamaal or equity (camel for blood price, meher rtc).

Do you see the organge below? It marks the boundary of the end of hawd grazing in Somalia. You can sustain smaller grazing for ruminants particularly sheep outside of that Zone and smaller quantity of camels particularly supplemented with "qamadi" or wheatgrass as they do the closer you get to Benadir, but substantial accumulation and holding of camels and large flocka of goats is virtually impossible in Somalia north of the interriverrine region in Somalia unless you do not have access to Hawd grazing with Mareer and other hardy camel grazing and ban (naq or feed). And even that area is seriously stressed and is becoming unable to handle the normal cyclical migration with rains failing more frequently.

So what is doing when you cannot keep up animal husbandry and the smal cowpeas zone was never sufficiently capable of implicating full or large agrarian living?

You migrate or become displaced to urban poverty and squalor.

Walle Somalia dhib baa kusoo socoto the worst climate change gets.

Dhaqlaa ku wada jirnaa Somali hadii aan nahay iyo waxaan macno lahayn.

Camels are resilient animal hence they can thrive there but it is mostly suitable for agriculture and I have seen these areas with my eyes they are useful but I agree in the whole that majority of Somalia is in theory a wasteland

[Hulkujir]

That video is not recorded from MX land, this is troll thread.

Dhabat and north of it, stony land with shrubs and trees


Hulkujir which comes under Caabudwaaq its red land with plains of grass, shrubs and trees.


animals love stone lands because they lick the stone extracting salt among other things from the stones, so MX lands have the best of both worlds.

[Gubbet]

The Somali coastal waters has immense resources in terms of fisheries, hydrocarbons and tourism.
The future for these desert dwellers across Somalia is the coast. We need to build a great ocean highway from Loyacaade to Raskamboni.

We have the worst coast in the human settled world.

Usually the moisture from the sea carried by drafts is supposed to be trapped over land by uneven topography (mountains, hills, ) right after the coastal zone but right after our coastal belt is complete unchanging flatness right...at the equator.

Moisture coming in is like breathing into an open room....it spreads out freely and without being trapped and on the equator with the hot climate and even clear sun's rays---it is like flicking water on the hood of a car in very hot, sunny afternoon. It dries even as soon as it is over land.

So our coastal belt is dry and arid and so is far into the interior until we start hitting the increasing height beginning the Ogaden plateau at around the north/south highway in central Somalia and the further west you go the more the eleven rises until you go the extreme heights of Amhara and Tigray's summits.

So while dry and arid, the coast even has extremely saline acquifers on account of the fact no moisture was trapped over them bringing down precipitation (rain) forming natural non-saline fresh water reservoirs like ponds, lakes, and rivers who would have seeped fresh water into the coastal acquifers. It is only the saline ocean water influencing the surrounding acquifers. We humans dislike it and it is hated by animals even more. Higher salinity water cannot be sufficiently ingested over long existence. This being different to "salt licks" as Hulkujir pointed out for animals which is like our normal small uses of salt for iodine supplementation in cooking.

This is why from Zaylac/Berbera until you get to Mogadishu, Somalia has had 0 other historically implicated notable coastal settlement in between until the very modern era. It could not produce a natural inhabited settlement on its own because of these reasons.

[original dervish]

You've missed my point sxb.
I'm talking about fishing, tourism, and oil industries to be established on the coast........not David Attenborough nonsense.

[Gubbet]

You've missed my point sxb.
I'm talking about fishing, tourism, and oil industries to be established on the coast........not David Attenborough nonsense.

And why haven't that happened since the British and Italians first did oil surveying since 1940's and even after we got indendence 60 years ago with over dozens and dozens of explorations from some of the biggest corporations in the world like Conoco, Shell, and ENI?

There is no oil.

I don't know why Somalia doesn't have a good commercial fishing industry just yet but I don't see that impacting livability in most of anywhere in Somalia at all.

Nobody will be visiting Somalis for tourism in any commercially possible way for a long time.

Inshort, Somalis need to stop drinking the kool aid.