Today I accessed HAG intellectual teleconference: 'MX must be separated from Darod, co-opted, seduced every way by HAG.'

[Gubbet]

Surah Al-Anfal; Ayah 30: "But they plan, and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners."


1. HAG believes that Mareexaan is the key to Darod unity (like Somaliland believes Dhulbahante is the key to Darod unity). Essentially the "Darod" the HAG south fears is Marehan like the "Darod" the Somalilanders fear is Dhulbahante. In the HAG teleconference, they believe both Somaliland and HAG essentially "dropped the ball" because they woke up ire in both which is what they should have been "containing."

2. This is why HSM gov has come down decidedly on opposing Madoobe. HSM wants it to be known an HAG government "led" to Marehan finally attaining their pedestal on top of Jubbaland.

3. But also since HAG government of HSM came to power, this is why there has been so many prominent "reconciliation conferences" between Marehan and Hawiye, by trying to reconcile them and Habar Gidir who are the Hawiye they neighbor. We have seen multiple high profile peace overtures between all 3 main HG clans and Marehan. But something very intriguing I found out through this discussion is the peace overtures are NOT with the immediate goal of stopping community violence---IT IS FOR RECONCILING ELITE ACTORS AND IMPORTANT POLITICAL, SOCIAL, AND MILITARY PERSONNEL BETWEEN MX AND HAG.

4. Another thing that was interesting is HAG finds Majeerteen "isolationism" as in their interest and deeply support it while finding Mareexaan "translocalism " (their exact word) threatening and are deeply unsettled by it. To this effect, they intensely dislike Majerteen but seem to be politically satisfied by their political objectives while finding Mareexaan intimidating and ominous to their long term political goals. Mareexaan's multi-regional outlook, nationalism, and centralism is a "threat" of the 1st order to HAG as they see it.

5. HAG has been seducing Mareexaan---as they believe. I won't say the details of how they believe they have been, but in their mind they believe so. And really this is what it all boils down to---they believe a future Farmaajo should never happen. And they are going to do something they believe they made a mistake in not drafting as their number #1 strategic domestic policy; wine and dine MX, separate them from Darod politically, co-opt and keep them content, bring them in and implicate them in business links, elite political exchange, and satisfied with Galmudug equity and coming a top Jubbaland.

In short, a lazy, decadent, "client" regional figurehead that never contests national leadership seriously as a political threat or in opposition to HAG.

HAG couldn't defeat MX in war and suffering, so they now want to kill him with nice smiles and placation.

[theyuusuf143]

As some one who can speak on behalf of both somaliland and galmudug. It's true both states tried their best to integrate dhulbahante and mareexaan into the system. But it failed from your side.

I am 100% confident no isaaq or habar gidir wants to do anything with dhulbahante and mareexaan. Especially mareexaans are irrelevant in any way you look at. I can say dhulbahante is still important for somaliland because somaliland boundaries are based on Their land. It's about the land not the peaple. But mareexaans has nothing to offer to hawiye at all , Only doqon empowers his rival.

Hassan sheekh is Oki with the cagdheer. The prime minister is his long time friend. OGs are just New players in Somalia and they are not too greedy to confront against the hutus. In my opinion cagdheer Will remain their positions , and mareexaans chances will be reduced year after year.

[theyuusuf143]

Dhulbahante is like 1000% more important than mareexaan. They are at the centre of hotspot international dispute. Involved by multiple actors. Idinka cidina war idiinma hayso , markaanu voltage aragno baanu mareexaan xasuusana . Hadaad reerkina dhawr casho aad duulin waydo. Cid hadal haysa xitaa arki maysid.

[Gubbet]

Yusuf, please go somewhere else for childish fkd. This information is not even for you. It is for Mareexaan. There is no reason for you to trash the topic responding at me. Soco sxb.

Also, the whole 'Irirism' thing is cute----during playacting. Speaking for hebel iyo hebla intaad ba meel dhigtid---afaarahaan Isaaq ka ahoow waana iga daacad.

[Murax]

Speaking as a Marexaan I say F this mindset. There is absolutely ZERO such thing as a Darood political entity. Yes I’m tracking that there is for Hawiye, but that will not cause me to go a a alternate reality universe and try to mythically create something that doesn’t exist just to counter something that does! I would much rather embrace the reality, and try to make the best salvageable situation for MX.



Shacab don’t matter, they are useless. What matters is the political class. Bottom line is MANY of the Hawiye politicians were the biggest supporters of a President that happened to be Marexaan (Farmaajo). When so called Daroods Deni, Madoobe were purposefully delaying a election at the behest of Dumi Qaran in Mogadishu, Cumar Finnish nin Abgal Cisman ah was threatening them with death. Folks like QoorQoor, Guudlaawe were showing up to every Shir ignoring Jazeera hotel war mongers.



Wallahi any MX that embraces this mindset waa doqon nacas ah dantooda aqoonin and I am truly embarrassed to have the trial/tribulations of having to share a clan with you. If there is any positive it’s that folks like Fartaag, Aw Hersi (Blocked on Twitter), while they may be nacasiin otherwise at least they’re not responding to the folks who are making these nacas battle cries.


Personally as a MX I’m okay with wheeling and dealing with Hawiye dad Somali ah if they’re is mutual benefit. To the HAG you mention tell them I’m listening watchu got?

[theyuusuf143]

Mention 1,2 ,3 things that makes mareexaan important for hawiye ?

I mentioned that dhulmahante can be considered an important Clan in somaliland because somaliland is seeking independence based on Their land. They too are useless like you. But atleast the land is strategic for our cause..

Voltage don't bite me , just prove me wrong. Your land is not important for hawiye. And they Will never empower your CBB cult. I also explained to you that cagdheers are well preferred in xamar than you. Because cagdheer are New comers, peaple don't cause problems at the beginning of Their careers.

I am just critical , nothing personal , This is not the kacaan circus. Convince me why do you think you are important.

[theyuusuf143]

Waar thread ka hala kala kiciyo , share your opinions. How many of you agree with our friend voltage ?

[Gubbet]

Yusuf-

Sxb, you need to understand the limitations of your assumptions. You have a very difficult time understanding the reason why your Somaliland project is where it is today is because of your lack of awareness, understanding, and even prior lack of interest regarding anything east of Burco. It is not embarrassing or shameful to not know something, but it is embarrassing and shameful to be wilfully ignorant. You attributed what you have so far been able to learn from my provision of information regarding my chosen subject matter inversely to what is actually notable about your relationship to it. Namely, when you see V, it is not remembrance of MX that is implicated, it is understanding of a Somalia that you did not fully understand let alone appreciate before increase of awareness.

Presently there are two motivations you have that feed each other in a feedback loop of ignorance. 1.) Bitterness towards Dhulbahante for what they have done (as you see it) destroying the Somaliland project and 2.) Bitterness towards Darod for what they have been implicated in supporting Dhulbahante in freedom---so you accost Dhulbahante using other Darod against him (as you habitually do to OD) and you accost other Darod (primarily MJ but MX more often than any other because of participation here) using everything else in Somalia against them even the irrelevant Madoobe. Your entire engagement is lowest common denominator and I tolerate and even participate willingly because it's 'cute,' but this is not the first time you cannot differentiate between fkd and something different---even something entirely relevant "in-group." I am not going to explain anything to you, I find that as appealing to negative intent and not even ignorance. Stop sxb. I know intrinsically when not to fkd in your "in-group" topics like the one you have speaking to 'Irir.' Show the same maturity and not the 'SST & Gedo' (Sool, Sanaag, Togdheer and Gedo) antics that have ironically been the only thing to seriously affect my otherwise healthy respect for your person.

[Gubbet]

Speaking as a Marexaan I say F this mindset. There is absolutely ZERO such thing as a Darood political entity. Yes I’m tracking that there is for Hawiye, but that will not cause me to go a a alternate reality universe and try to mythically create something that doesn’t exist just to counter something that does! I would much rather embrace the reality, and try to make the best salvageable situation for MX.



Shacab don’t matter, they are useless. What matters is the political class. Bottom line is MANY of the Hawiye politicians were the biggest supporters of a President that happened to be Marexaan (Farmaajo). When so called Daroods Deni, Madoobe were purposefully delaying a election at the behest of Dumi Qaran in Mogadishu, Cumar Finnish nin Abgal Cisman ah was threatening them with death. Folks like QoorQoor, Guudlaawe were showing up to every Shir ignoring Jazeera hotel war mongers.



Wallahi any MX that embraces this mindset waa doqon nacas ah dantooda aqoonin and I am truly embarrassed to have the trial/tribulations of having to share a clan with you. If there is any positive it’s that folks like Fartaag, Aw Hersi (Blocked on Twitter), while they may be nacasiin otherwise at least they’re not responding to the folks who are making these nacas battle cries.


Personally as a MX I’m okay with wheeling and dealing with Hawiye dad Somali ah if they’re is mutual benefit. To the HAG you mention tell them I’m listening watchu got?

Murax,

Qoorqoor, Guudlaawe, Finish were Farmaajo's political appointees. They weren't 'Hawiye.'

'Hawiye' was Sheikh Sharif as Former President and Hassan as Former President fighting to go and bless Uhuru Kenyetta Kismaayo pageantry. They were the 15+ Madasha from Abdirahman Abdishakuur to Odawa to Mahad Salaad to Abdikarem Guled to Sanbaloolshe to the entire Hawiye political and traditional class. They were Badbaado Qaran, Rooble Baahane, Fiqi, Saadaq John---they were the Dhabancad guy sneaking off to swear in El Wak MPs, etc etc etc

Just like Qoorqoor and Guudlaawe weren't "Hawiye," Deni and Madoobe aren't "Darod." Darod was Minister Jamal, Police Commissioner Xijaar, Gen Asad Diyaano, you can even say guys like Abdi Ali Raage who switched from Madoobe.

Were Janan, Maxamuud Sayid, Aw-Xirsi, Dhuumaal the "Mareexaan" clan?

I have seen you present this point of view and it is not even "Reer Gedo"---it is entirely MX Mudug "Horgal" point of view the kind that are actually co-opted!

War ninyaho, wax meeshaan soo galo aan kaa jeclahay majirto, but I am going to give you the 2nd scathing criticism I have ever given you following an earlier criticism about accepting or enabling impunity and this one is---for all that you have participated concerning Somali discussions, your understanding of your own equity in Somalia is remissively 'facile.' You need to internalize substantively the true weight of the Somali version of the 'Clash of Civilizations' at stake here.

[theyuusuf143]

Why are you avoiding the question ? I don't need any reason to karbaash any daarod I can pick. I am isaaq at the end of the day we have always been rivals. I don't sugar coat my qabyaalad towards daarod. It's direct and uncensored.

The fact that you can't explain why do you think you are important in galmudug or any where in Somalia including jubaland . Shows that you have no answer for it. Your Narcissistic personality disorder is an other level. You think every thing associated with mareexaan is More important than anything else. You and Sahal have the Same problem. Perhaps I should treat both of you with a daily dose of reality.

[Gubbet]

No I will not explain anything to you in this topic.

[BestP]

I am in Kismayo Jubaland. The city is quite peaceful under the leadership of his majesty Ahmed Mahamad Islan. The threat of Marehan banditary in the city is now a thing of the past.

Based on my observation, Marehan has limited political options, let me say just two options or three.

1) Forming an alliance with Hawiye govt and disrupt the peace of Kismayo. Gubbet and his troops belong to these group.They are hardcore Ilkayar who dwell on past Marehan glory .Hiraabu Goita and Siyad Barre era

2)Reconciling with Absame and Harti by demanding a more improved and friendly power sharing formula for Jubaland ( which is not possible in Sayyid Ahmed era)

3) The current state where Gedo is largely self-ruled entity and Galmudug Marehan are fighting with HG based on deep tribal hatred nurtured with incessant Aano qabiil.No political settlement with Darod or Hawiye will only further weaken the position of Marehan in Somalia.


As a pragmatic Darodist, I suggest Marehan should engage both Hawiye and Darod with political maturity and beyond that Marehan know their interests best .Otherwise Marehan should focus to build and develop their towns because they have the diaspora pontential to finance schools, hospitals, boreholes and also tarmac roads.They Mudugian diaspora are actually doing good in relation to their brothers in Gedo.Ironically, Gedo is far more productive than barren Galmudug.

One last note, the 'irrelevant' Madobe is in full control of Kismayo.The marehan citizens are eating good in the city .Actually they occupy top positions in the administration. Business are booming and the Majerten have the edge in this sector as they are dominating Suuq-yare (The Bakara of Kismayo)

[Gubbet]

Oh God, I assure you this one is blocked, but even so I do not need to read anything he says to 'unescape' him.

You were not mentioned in my synopsis because you were not mentioned by HAG as a primary actor.

That is just the reality. You have equity, but you are not a primary actor. If you are PM now, Cumar Jees was Vice President of Salbalaar. If Madoobe has stayed on top of KDF tanks to sit near Kismaayo port, even longer Somaliland controlled Laascaanood with tanks in the street.

You have equity, but you are not a primary actor in Somalia just like I am not a primary actor in Kenya.

You are only a 'momentary' circumstance which has an end.

[theyuusuf143]

The single most important stake in jubaland is kismayo and the farmlands. I still don't understand why daaroods can't agree to co exist in that place. Waar wuxu cawaansana. Meesha Hindi undhiibta hadaad doontaan io geeliina raacda nacala reer baadiyahad tihiin Ku Yale .

The next war will be Between the Somali fara dheer and the Bantus. Somalis have learned the importance of farming , so we have to Rob the Bantus. And the Bantus won't be as easy as before. They will fight back . Halkaana hawl baa ina wada sugaysa. Daaroodaw soo heshiiya. Bantugana inoo kala qaybiya ma madhin karnee.

[Gubbet]

Kismaayo is contested by Marehan.

Nobody can contest the land from Marehan.

Throughout the civil war, there was always two administrations in the 'Jubbaland'

-Jubba Valley from Dollow to Kismaayo = Completely and singularly Marehan ruled by SNF from Gedo

-Kismaayo district = Either completely Marehan controlled or as part of a shared administration (Abdullahi Wagad as long time governor of Kismaayo under Morgan, Barre Hirale singularly in control for decade, Bashiir Jalato as ICU Kismaayo Gov, Abdirisaaq Farah Taano as head of committee after the ICU, the Sade Elders Council after they overthrew Abdullahi Yusuf administration, rtc).

Today, control of Kismaayo is contested by Marehan who make it known they are waiting for KDF troops to move.

Even with KDF troops and in 10 years as Jubbaland "leader" Madoobe has not been able to visit Garbahaarey the capital of Gedo even once (1 time) and in fact, does not control anything beyond Kismaayo port.

The 'take away' here isn't Kismaayo's relevance (and it is relevant)---the takeaway is Kismaayo's 'vulnerability' under Madoobe and Upper Jubba's 'invulnerability' as equity fully consolidated by Marehan.