Deni caused the disenfranchisement of 6 Somali clans. Now Puntland Is In Trouble because of him

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Deni caused the disenfranchisement of 6 Somali clans. Now Puntland Is In Trouble because of him

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Puntland is slow walking towards political catastrophy.

There is no way to get around this sensation.

Siciid Abdullahi Deni is different to prior Puntland leaders.

I wrote this about the 'monster' Puntland created when it allowed him to do what he did against Dhooba Daareed, i.e. broad daylight "armed coup."
Gubbet wrote: Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:21 am He is a dictator bro. True and true, plus he is corrupt.

Oddly Abdiwali Gaas was very open government and not corrupt

Faroole has harsh personality but he actually was the most institutionally minded, he cared about advancing system that works. His only xan was he gathered the loose change in a personal savings.

Cadde Muuse was neither corrupt nor a daily governor, he was more like a head of state perched due to seniority recognized and he was the most reliant on the cabinet and departments.

Abdullahi Yusuf was a dictator with a cause, building democracy lol and being extremely anti-corruption, he was sort of a benevolent dictator/paternal strong man

Again abdiwali gaas was the most maturely practicing of free open government, puntland really blossomed where open informed confidence in government was concerned.

This guy is CORRUPT BEYOND CORRUPT and he is a bully for a self-deprecatingly identified non violent guy. HE LITERALLY RULES BY THE THREAT OF THE BARREL OF THE GUN.

He also allegedly spies on all his internal Puntland rivals, like bugging their meetongs.

Wallahi you guys are letting a monster like Idi Amin grow under your eyes. He will come back to puntland presidency. I won't be surprised if he becomes like thr Ahmed Madoobe of Puntland sitting in Garowe 10 years later, having all destroyed Puntland institutionally.

When you allow an authority to infer something personal about what explains where the authority comes from, even if you support him or this time, you are on borrowed time. Tomorrow it is against you and if not from him then the next Puntland leader you don't support. He should have never been allowed the extra-judicial armed bullying he was allowed to do to get ris of his political nemesis, the Pland ex speaker than way. Your goal working towards a mature system is to have a process not a conduct by personality.

Imagine if Trump was him and Dhoobo Nancy; that's not a healthy system. That's a sick system. And that was just the start
I wrote this explaining why Boqor Burhan and the elders did an unprecedented intervention in the Bosaso clashes 'caused' by the impunity Deni gained from the Dhoobo Daareed coup
  • Matt Bryden and Sahan/Rashid Abdi like to say Farmaajo broke elite contract which is behind the opposition.
    • In correct, Somalia did not have an elite contract at any point. It did not have an informal "gentlemen's agreement"for understanding how to navigate the process. Somalia state building has always had a donor driven ad hoc process to achieve an arbitrarily set guideline/milestone that coincided with some grand yearly development scheme where local Somali actors were mere spectators kept in line by threats/capitulation.
  • Where there was an actual elite contract was in Puntland ever since Abdullahi Yusuf wing of former SSDF militarily defeated the Mohamed Abshir Hamaan wing allied to Arta militarily then led by Jama Ali Jama.
    • The elite compact said that Majerten wing is dominant and is essentially the only military actor. They in concert with their Intellectual thought leaders were blessed in marriage by the Elders who have since acted as judge and arbiter.
    • The elders have been called in many times
      • Make peace btw Abdullahi Yusuf and Cadde Muuse
      • Solve the issue between Abdullahi Yusuf and Faroole
      • Solve the issue when Ciise Maxmuud and Cumar Maxmuud clans mutinied, etc etc etc
    • Deni is the first man in Puntland leadership to break the elite contract.
    • Puntland's elite contract is that a concensus comes from within the system and then that Consensus is the position of the Puntland President towards Somalia.
      • Deni arm twisted the Puntland Parliament to get rid of Doobo Darood violently... Strike 1 and against a non-Majerten important to Bosaaso
      • Deni conducted the Senate parliament like he was Ahmed Madoobe owing poeer only to Kenyan tanks and targeted the eliteest of the elite Juriile...Strike 2 and again against a non-Majerten again important to Boosaaso
      • Deni tried to consolidate a still family run type of armed force as a show of force to prepare total ownership of Bosaaso's elections...Strike 3 and this time against a very important military brass within his Majerten very important to Boosaaso
  • The Elders have called themselves this time and the verdict they gave is not about Gen Diyaano, it is about Deni.
    • They decided enough was enough and they had to intervene to place a check in front of Deni
    • Any action Deni takes now against that order from the Elders is in direct contravention of the Elite Contract that legitimized the very relevance of the leadership in Garowe over Puntland.
      • It is important to add that Boqor Burhan has made his very title as King as the Guarantor of the Elite Contract in Puntland.
      • Essentially Deni has been sanctioned in a very public and embarrassing way
        • This sanction is the same sanction the Elders placed before Jama Ali Jama when he wanted to drag Puntland into Arta against the consensus of the Elite Contract.
  • I can tell you no matter how much Debi huffs and puffs he knows from Boosaaso down and Gaalkacyo up, Puntland militias will dethrone him in Garowe if he does not obey the Elder's and especially Boqor Burhan's check placed in front of him about stopping and acceding once again to the importance of the Elite Contract.
I wrote this concerning the gravity of what Puntland did by 'allowing' Deni to do what he did in Puntland federal selections for Senate and Parliament
2. JURIILE WILL BECOME THE POLITICALLY DEFINING RESULT FOR FEDERALISM.

Few people even noticed and less even know him, but JURIILE is an individual institution in Puntland and National politics. He was the chief intellectual, "elder statesman" representing Puntland in Parliamentary systems since Abdullahi Yusuf. He was a Senator co-leading Puntland delegation with Faroole.

Until this moment. Deni did not even include him in the LIST despite all lobbying efforts. Just like that, Juriile was sidelined and discarded in these Mafia appointments they call "Senate elections."

Yet Deni nominated and reappointed Fsroole EVEN THOUGH he and Faroole have an even worse relationship and with the controversy within Faroole's clan about his renomination for the seat.

Why?

Faroole is Mohamud Saleebaan/MJ, the same as Deni but JURIILE is Dashiishle of the Harti.

This is the bellwether of this entire "election season."

It will illuminate a lot about both the illegitimacy of this process AS WELL AS what comes to define what informs the legitimacy of "Federalism."

This issue will reverberate in Boosaaso, in Bari, in Puntland and Somalia's faux "federalism."

REMEMBER THE NAME JURIILLE!
Finally, recall not really Kenya, Ahmed Madoobe, Rooble, or anyone else but "Siciid Deni" structurally disenfranchised the constituencies of Marehan, Dir, Garre, Gabaabwayn, Gasaargude, and Macalinwayne.
Since my question was avoided, someone please carry my felicitations to Mr. Muuse Geele of Garowe;

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Appointed by Puntland President Mr. Siciid Cabdullahi Deni as their representative to the FEIT acting specifically on Puntland's orders as their point man.

Somalis said "af iyo addin hays maqlaan" ("Expression and Action must be in harmony") as a barometer of what is "rational."
Puntland's position is "Federalism" or "devolved rule" or in other words "local rule."

Was Deni a champion of federalism in using national appointed position to disenfranchise Gedo 16, using a regional selected position to disenfranchise Puntland's 36, or using his own desires to disenfranchise the State Parliament of Puntland in Garowe and even the citizens and livelihood of Boosaaso?

And all for short-term, thrifty 'personal' political interests?

Is that federalism?

If you allow your child to go and hit your neighbors and random human beings, why do you not think that child will hit you next?

Deni is a monster and he was created through manipulation of those most closest to him and the impunity, disregard, and even reckless entitlement he has 'internalized' belongs to him over the people of Puntland and if it couldn't get worse, he has a great proclivity to 'petty corruption' unlike any of Puntland's previous leadership.

This man will be a "test"---an extremely, incalculably, strategically incomparable 'test'---for Puntland in the election headed its way that will be disproportionately more stark since Abdullahi Yusuf vs Jama Ali Jama.

There is a political hurricane headed towards Puntland and my hope is they learn something very important from it that prevents them from ever allowing someone to do in their name what this man has done during his contemptible political tenure.
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Whatever you think about Deni et al....PL & SSC are engaged in an existential war against multiple foes inside and outside the country.

Now is not the time to settle old political scores.
The only path to victory is through strength and unity.
Any person seeking to harm the unity of the people is an undoubted enemy.

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I don't know which fantasyland Voltage lives in but Deni is the first PL president who actually has liberated SSC. Be careful of what you say about Deni volt boy or you will lose Farmajoos most loyal base the dulbahante who is in love with Deni this days
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original dervish wrote: Sat May 13, 2023 7:06 pm Whatever you think about Deni et al....PL & SSC are engaged in an existential war against multiple foes inside and outside the country.

Now is not the time to settle old political scores.
The only path to victory is through strength and unity.
Any person seeking to harm the unity of the people is an undoubted enemy.

:ufdup:
OD, I have shown here how much support and solidarity I bring to bear towards Dhulbahante in their just cause. I didn't even think I need to say this to you.

Which brings me to this point;

Darod, the 'kinship', and particularly Harti, have brought support to bear for Dhulbahante.

Cumar Maxmuud brought Cumar Maxmuud to Dhulbahante. Reer Bicidyahan brought Reer Bicidyahan to Dhulbahante. When MX and LL sent over 1/2 of million dollars worth of emergency stock injection within the first 3 days, MX & LL did it.

Not Deni, the Mayor of Galkayo, not Galmudug, etc.

Which leaves me to say this is not an 'anti-Puntland' topic. This is a 'pro-Puntland.'

This topic identifies very clearly the threat that political 'instability' poses to Puntland.
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KacdoonSool wrote: Sat May 13, 2023 7:29 pm I don't know which fantasyland Voltage lives in but Deni is the first PL president who actually has liberated SSC. Be careful of what you say about Deni volt boy or you will lose Farmajoos most loyal base the dulbahante who is in love with Deni this days
You love Deni which is why you were attacking me this week.

Dhulbahante has liberated SSC with the support of their kin.
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GrandPak is the smart Marehan guy on Snet because he understands sometimes you have to bite the pain and look at the bigger picture, Deni is the last man standing between Darod and our historical enemies.
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Voltage wants us to support a man hiding in Doho and attack the only Darod left in Power
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Puntland will survive Deni. Elections in January. Be patient
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Deni is undoubtedly the best president in the history of Puntland.

Ogaden and Marehan should avoid betraying SSC in this critical time by antagonizing Deni or MJ
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'Nus Qiyaamo.'

Nice try, Starkast. There isn't a clan that isn't being larped subxaanalaah. Internet is serious business. :down:
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This guy is forever predicting all types of doomsday scenarios and none have come to pass.

Whatever happened to farmaajo getting reelected by a landslide?
Whatever happened to HSM picking Hamze because he "wants to hand over JL to marehan"?
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I thought deni was friends with xsm what changed? is it the caagdheer pm he wants replaced with mj?. Somalia doesnt revolve around rer zanzibar they need to quickly announce their gooni isutaag. Xamar needs to stop sending taxes to zanzibaris
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eliteSomali wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 4:44 am This guy is forever predicting all types of doomsday scenarios and none have come to pass.

Whatever happened to farmaajo getting reelected by a landslide?
Whatever happened to HSM picking Hamze because he "wants to hand over JL to marehan"?
At least he has the brain capacity to predict and have informative discussions. What do you bring to the table? Apart from insults and following him around like a bitch. You are boring
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original dervish wrote: Sat May 13, 2023 7:06 pm Whatever you think about Deni et al....PL & SSC are engaged in an existential war against multiple foes inside and outside the country.

Now is not the time to settle old political scores.
The only path to victory is through strength and unity.
Any person seeking to harm the unity of the people is an undoubted enemy.

:ufdup:
Where was the unity when the Hawiye were ganging up on Farmaajo and Ahmed Madoobe and Dani were siding with them.

Fuck your unity and fuck Daarood. You better make peace with Isaaq or fight them yourself. You made your bed in the last 20 years. You decided to join Somaliland, they didn't force you. Your elders and politicians joined them. Now stop crying and fight them like a man or make peace with them.
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BestP wrote: Sat May 13, 2023 10:18 pm Deni is undoubtedly the best president in the history of Puntland.

Ogaden and Marehan should avoid betraying SSC in this critical time by antagonizing Deni or MJ
Why are you putting Ogaden and MX side by side, gormaa heshiinay ? Waryaa defend your PM if he is being wrongfully attacked maxaa aniga iga galay. :lol:
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