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Galmudug's Capital Dhusamareeb Ugaas Nuur Airport construction starts today.

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GUUL GALMUDUG :clap:



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Hore u socda galmudug , hormar wa loobahanye.
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Meeshaa dhuusa mareeb , caasimada waxa kaga haboon cadaado. Waayo saleebaan Ku waa dad Ku fiican horumarinta meel dhexena way degaan oo laysugu wada imaan Karo. Ceryrku waa mooryaan , imikaba habar gidir ceyr waan uga degeya. These guys are terrorists waxad dhistaanba yaga qarxinaya. Haahey waxba laysu qarin maayo :lol:
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Meeshaa dhuusa mareeb , caasimada waxa kaga haboon cadaado. Waayo saleebaan Ku waa dad Ku fiican horumarinta meel dhexena way degaan oo laysugu wada imaan Karo. Ceryrku waa mooryaan , imikaba habar gidir ceyr waan uga degeya. These guys are terrorists waxad dhistaanba yaga qarxinaya. Haahey waxba laysu qarin maayo :lol:
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Wallahi oo Billahi oo Tollahi, Yusuf waa mucjiso.

Not just the Cayr, but even Sacad have shown no history, none, 0 of owning, building, and sustaining "shared" community own "equity." If you think Gaalkacyo, that is because Puntland/"Mj" acts as a "guarantor" over Gaalkacyo's stability..

Of the "HAWIYE" (not Darod or Dir), only Saleebaan has shown and implicated again and again and again, that it can own, build, and sustain a "shared" community owned equity. Cadaado the xarun of Saleebaan is the closest Hawiye major settlement to Caabudwaaq, and even though I don't know to what extent Cadaado has been influenced by Caabudwaaq, I would not be surprised if it has(I will explain) but certainly the "Saleebaan" are behaviorally and dispositionally different to the rest of Habar Gidir or Mudug folks east of the highway. I used to hear almost redundantly from MX Mudug even before Galmudug stuff that in group behavior, Saleebaan was unique and the MX always pointed it out as a compliment/point of admiration.

The Saleebaan, the MX would say, are even "good neighbors" when the MX would not label themselves that way.

So if you look at the MX Xeer---"common property" is highly and universally identified and codified. So like daaq, wells, settlements. The Wagardhac near Galdogob has just the same access, opportunity, and even settlement if it desired historically to the Marehan wells that were in "Ulasan" near Shabelle River. That is still the case today and even though constituency building is implicated politically, today a Reer Siyaad Diini juffo in Balanbale can up and move to settle with Wagardhac in Saaxo in Puntland if they wanted and Wagardhac would not bat an eye.

This is because there is a highly respected and recognized concept of "community/group" owned equity. That is why all Marehan clans can live together in any settlement, all grazing is group owned, all wells are group owned, why they have 1 single binding powerful Ugaas (they don't have the Sultans/Islaans/Beeldaajes/Amirs every single Majeerteen sub-clans even have), why they sustain and build heavy, enormous infrastructure projects like airports, huge central medical facilities, or centralized school systems with one direction and uniformity EVEN WITHOUT/INSPITE OF any "governmental" authority controlling process......BECAUSE THE "CLAN" XEER IN-GROUP IS BUILT LIKE AN ACTUAL STATE IMPLICATED (ORDER/INDEMNITY) 'CHARTER.' Every single individual is a "citizen" and is loyal to the "nation."

The Habar Gidir, and not only them, including the Ogaden, and larger Hawiye in central plateau are "different." Sacad and Saleebaan and Cayr do not share grazing, nor wells, and less settlements. In fact, except for Saleebaan, the Sacad and Cayr within their own clan have "fences." The Cayr Bari (Cabsiiye) of "Dhusamareb" and the Cayr Koonfureed (Habar Aji) of "Matabaan" will fight like Darod vs Hawiye, forget anything else, if a "well" ever got between them. The Reer Jalaf Sacad of Gelinsoor and the Reer Nimcaale of Af Barwaaqo will clash like they are Wagardhac and Sacad if part of grazing came betweem them.

The Saleebaan and Sacad expelled each other from Cadaado, Diyaana, and Gelinsoor and Cayr expelled both from Dhusamareb. Today the Sacad seeks to expell the Saleebaan from Hobyo district, the Saleebaan seeks to expell them from Baxdo countryside and the Cayr seeks to expell them both from Xarardheere while the Saruur, without even commensurate power, intrigues to expell all three from the same Xarardheere.

I mean this state of relationship goes down all the way to the juffo vs juffo---

----except for Saleebaan.

The Saleebaan seem to have "arrested" it once it gets down to "Saleebaan."

Their outgroup behavior is very much HG implicated culturally whereas there in-group behavior is very much even could be said to be "influenced" from the neighboring Marehan Xeer.

In recent years, (and this is something even Cayr themselves like to pretend isn't going on,) but the Cayr Bari, except for speech, seem to be conforming almost intentionally to Marehan Xeer. In speech they are 1/2 and 1/2, the ones at Dhusamareb or facing west speak even more like MX than the Dir living with MX while the ones east of Dhusamareb or towards Ceelbuur naturally reflect that speech, but in terms of "Xeer" there is even intentbat display adopting MX Xeer. The Cayr in Dhusamareb town are the Cayr Bari also being former pres Abdiqasim's group (Cayr Bari/Cabsiiye) but even so they are only a subunit implicated within a larger Cayr Xeer that reflects my observations above.

That "interpersonal" relationship history generally with the overall group + the fact this is being built by "Galmudug" and not the local community (so really WITHOUT the MAIN INCENTIVE for making sure the equity is "valued") does not give me confidence to invest in this project if I were a possible investor.

If it was Cadaado, yes I can have the confidence to take a risk. Dhusamareb is 1 argument away from Sh Shakir and Guriceel moment.

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Ilaa iyo waagii ximan iyo xeeb baan ogaa , reer xaaji saleebaan waa dadka ugu kartida iyo dedaalka badan habar gidir. Ceyrkuna waa kuwa ugu liita , somalida habaartay. Kulligood na dhiig islam bay qabaan. Wal ciyaadu billah.
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Thank you my Somaliland brothers, insha'Allahi an strong Galmudug and Somaliland is in our both interests. :sland: :up:
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i beg to differ voltage. Cayrku hantidood xamar bey gashteen iyo islii lakiin if we are being fair saleebaanka iyo sacad magaaladood wey dhisteen. Look at bilicda galkacyo dhinaca sacadka daga
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FarhanYare wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 2:35 am i beg to differ voltage. Cayrku hantidood xamar bey gashteen iyo islii lakiin if we are being fair saleebaanka iyo sacad magaaladood wey dhisteen. Look at bilicda galkacyo dhinaca sacadka daga
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Sacad iyo Cayr iyo xataa Somali Bantu iyo walaalaheen Madhibaan have no less money, community, capability/worth, even "DIASPORA" than any other Somali group walaa Isaaq, walaa Darood, walaa Ciise Djibouti walaa hebel.

But when it comes to "shared community equity" built, owned, and sustained there is to this second, no history implicating either Sacad or Cayr at that level.

Sacad in Gaalkacyo is like Somali Eastleigh in Nairobi. Sacad live in Gaalkacyo, historically and today, they have hanti, they are even enterprising and achieving----

----but Gaalkacyo's stability, relevance to economic growth, investment attractivity, liveability basically the "Kenya government that makes Nairobi possible" is really not even Puntland, but Majeerteen, especially Cumar Maxmuud.

The Saleebaan singularly made Cadaado, they singularly built its airport, they singularly have enforced the peace, have singularly turned Cadaado from a no nothing sub-village to a metropolitan center.

Dude I am MX, I am proud of what MX Mudug have done to similarly turn Caabudwaaq from a literal nothing 15 years ago to a national city today all by themselves, but if you were to ask me now altogether with everything included which place in central Somalia is the #1 Most Admirable Success Story----

---I would say Cadaado, Cadaado, Cadaado.

MX is an old, long existing social group that had just been central to a decades long Somali governmental system and the opportunities that came with it (human resource inevitably got a boost) + could pull within from multiple territories/locations, so whatever the Mudug ones did with Caabudwaaq or could have done could never meet the level of "triumph" implicated by what was the awesome Cadaado success story by Saleebaan.

I am actually myself low-key a strong "Saleebaan-phile." Wallahi aad baan u taageeraa reerkaan and I always keep up with the next impressive achievement they implicate.

Habar Gidireey, Saleebaan ku dayda. The only thing Sacad responds to anything is "Governo Sacad iyo Abdullahi Ciise" and Cayr think the world point to existence is "Cayr iyo Ciidaas." Meanwhile when Saleebaan builds the 1st Somali rocket launchers and becomes the first Somali boots on mars---labadiina wali xaarkiinaad walaaqeysaan. Saleebaan ku dayda, Habar Gidireey, idinkaa yiri Jin baan nahaye, Jin taladaas ka gudooma :ufdup:
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So no one is under the impression the thoughts I shared here were just birthed;

Previous thoughts regarding Saleebaan in group culture;
Since 2015 as well, "Saleebaan" is the single biggest recipient of "Galmudug" dispensed federal appropriations as a unitary community per capita relative to all other unitary Galmudug communities. [Again not because of "nepotism" but sole concentration on Cadaado or "focus" and extremely organized purpose and movement or moving as "one." Very disciplined group.]
Previous thoughts regarding the different foundations of Xeer MX and Xeer HG/HW in central regions
6. Finally, and most importantly, Marehan Mudug are a "commonwealth"---unlike Hawiye Mudug who are an "association." Understand this very carefully. Within Habar Gidir, "Sacad" cannot live in "Saleebaan" Cadaado. The association establishes strict hierarchical and horizontal rules of engagement and order. Without it, they do not exist as the association of "Habar Gidir," i.e. they would just be Sacad, Saleebaan, and Cayr. Marehan are the inverse. Deegaan and grazing is under common ownership; rules are a barrier to the intimacy of natural interaction, and there is no recognized feature or source both capable of or considered acceptable to have powers of compulsion.In return, universal concordance with the principal of 'equal access/opportunity' over all community equity by any diya-paying group represented by Xeer Marehan is freely and fraternally offered by all the diya-paying groups.
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Gubbet wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 12:40 am
In recent years, (and this is something even Cayr themselves like to pretend isn't going on,) but the Cayr Bari, except for speech, seem to be conforming almost intentionally to Marehan Xeer. In speech they are 1/2 and 1/2, the ones at Dhusamareb or facing west speak even more like MX than the Dir living with MX while the ones east of Dhusamareb or towards Ceelbuur naturally reflect that speech, but in terms of "Xeer" there is even intentbat display adopting MX Xeer. The Cayr in Dhusamareb town are the Cayr Bari also being former pres Abdiqasim's group (Cayr Bari/Cabsiiye) but even so they are only a subunit implicated within a larger Cayr Xeer that reflects my observations above.
Yusuf been ayuu moodi hadalkaas. HG inaan aqaan bal tan ku qanac.

That this issue within Cayr concerning Cayr/Bari and especially Cabsiiye warming relations with MX is a sore issue within Cayr can be shown by the vicious 'joking' between them and Reer Ayaanle---historically the most closest to MX among Cayr and with great historical relationship with MX Xeer before the relationship became so bad since '91they were ejected out from special consideration in Xeer MX whose place is now looking to be filled by Cayr Bari/Cabsiiye especially recently

From this week, a Cayr/Ayaanle posted this;

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Salaad boy being beaten by a Reer Siyaad 'woman.' Salaad Boy was the father of Abdiqaasim Salaad Hassan (Cayr/Cabsiiye) infamously killed in Caabudwaaq by Rer Dalal Dini. A very historically sensitive dhacdo clearly.

But Reer Ayaanle using a 'Reer Siyaad Diini' woman is interesting because the 'woman' is supposed to be even more insulting to Cabsiiye as 'men' and the 'Reer Siyaad Diini' (I am Rer Siyaad Diini) is supposed to be similarly more insulting to Cabsiiye as 'Cayr' since the Siyaad, not the Dalal, are the biggest historical MX enemy to Cayr (something the Reer Ayaanle behind the picture internalizes very well).

The Cabsiiye responded with this;

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Merciless embellishment of the allegedly vicious killing of Col Shabeel by Marehan (in 1992) who was the Reer Ayaanle USC abaanduulle. The Cabsiiye retort the MX 'cut' Shabeel's organs in pieces then 'masturbated' over it.

Now the point isn't the historicity or factuality of these statements as they are false both a Rer Siyaad woman killing Salad Boy or MX doing any of that outlandish things to Shabelle, but this was pointed out to see how what I mentioned above is actually playing out naturally.

1. They fight like they are Darod and Hawiye even down to lower level juffo. Wax la xeeriyo majirto.
2. The Cayr/Bari are being seen by the rest of Cayr as evolving to a different relationship with MX in comparison to other Cayr.
3. There are seriously unaddressed grievances within Cayr concerning that particularly within Reer Ayaanle that is simmering under the surface which are only disclosed through 'vicious joking' so far because of the intensity
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Gubbet wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 7:47 pm
Gubbet wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 12:40 am
In recent years, (and this is something even Cayr themselves like to pretend isn't going on,) but the Cayr Bari, except for speech, seem to be conforming almost intentionally to Marehan Xeer. In speech they are 1/2 and 1/2, the ones at Dhusamareb or facing west speak even more like MX than the Dir living with MX while the ones east of Dhusamareb or towards Ceelbuur naturally reflect that speech, but in terms of "Xeer" there is even intentbat display adopting MX Xeer. The Cayr in Dhusamareb town are the Cayr Bari also being former pres Abdiqasim's group (Cayr Bari/Cabsiiye) but even so they are only a subunit implicated within a larger Cayr Xeer that reflects my observations above.
Yusuf been ayuu moodi hadalkaas. HG inaan aqaan bal tan ku qanac.

That this issue within Cayr concerning Cayr/Bari and especially Cabsiiye warming relations with MX is a sore issue within Cayr can be shown by the vicious 'joking' between them and Reer Ayaanle---historically the most closest to MX among Cayr and with great historical relationship with MX Xeer before the relationship became so bad since '91they were ejected out from special consideration in Xeer MX whose place is now looking to be filled by Cayr Bari/Cabsiiye especially recently

From this week, a Cayr/Ayaanle posted this;

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Salaad boy being beaten by a Reer Siyaad 'woman.' Salaad Boy was the father of Abdiqaasim Salaad Hassan (Cayr/Cabsiiye) infamously killed in Caabudwaaq by Rer Dalal Dini. A very historically sensitive dhacdo clearly.

But Reer Ayaanle using a 'Reer Siyaad Diini' woman is interesting because the 'woman' is supposed to be even more insulting to Cabsiiye as 'men' and the 'Reer Siyaad Diini' (I am Rer Siyaad Diini) is supposed to be similarly more insulting to Cabsiiye as 'Cayr' since the Siyaad, not the Dalal, are the biggest historical MX enemy to Cayr (something the Reer Ayaanle behind the picture internalizes very well).

The Cabsiiye responded with this;

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Merciless embellishment of the allegedly vicious killing of Col Shabeel by Marehan (in 1992) who was the Reer Ayaanle USC abaanduulle. The Cabsiiye retort the MX 'cut' Shabeel's organs in pieces then 'masturbated' over it.

Now the point isn't the historicity or factuality of these statements as they are false both a Rer Siyaad woman killing Salad Boy or MX doing any of that outlandish things to Shabelle, but this was pointed out to see how what I mentioned above is actually playing out naturally.

1. They fight like they are Darod and Hawiye even down to lower level juffo. Wax la xeeriyo majirto.
2. The Cayr/Bari are being seen by the rest of Cayr as evolving to a different relationship with MX in comparison to other Cayr.
3. There are seriously unaddressed grievances within Cayr concerning that particularly within Reer Ayaanle that is simmering under the surface which are only disclosed through 'vicious joking' so far because of the intensity
Brother Gubbet, didn't you give me a telling off after I participated in sub-clan bashing? Why do I see you indulging in it so much these days?

After the whole Reer Dalal Wagardhac thread I was half expecting you to be calling Ayaanle the Reer-Murule of Doollo.

Thank God some Reer-Siyaads saw sense and left those lands long ago.
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Brother Gubbet, didn't you give me a telling off after I participated in sub-clan bashing? Why do I see you indulging in it so much these days?

After the whole Reer Dalal Wagardhac thread I was half expecting you to be calling Ayaanle the Reer-Murule of Doollo.
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My puzzlement was the characterization of "sub-clan bashing" because that did not even register before your perception. Regardless, now that I have had time to come back to it, I can see how that interpretation can be made. It seems I should be more mindful of how I choose to share information. :up:
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