Hawadle godob buu Farmaajo ka galay & today every Marehan internalizes the responsibility for atonement of the godob.

[Gubbet]

Xawaadloow, raali ahaada walaalayaal. This is a debt Marehan has woken up to concerning the godob Farmajo committed against Hawadle in our name.

[Gubbet]

Everything Galwaaq says solemnly today, I have said it reflectively before; Xawaadle DULMI bay dawladi Farmaajo kala kulantay ilaahay baa ina lehe.

And I agree---Farmaajo godob ayuu ka galay Xawaadle. They are the only community I will say has a RIGHT to a "clan grievance " against Farmaajo. If Farmaajo were to ever come back, HSM's "indho adeeg" will be NOTHING compared to the indho adeeg Farmaajo will respond to the correction of his mistakes in first term.

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I clearly said Farmaajo godob ayuu ka galay Xawaadle didn't I? This is something every Marehan is saying today which---and there is a silver lining to every damper---has birthed in Marehan "collectively" as a group the development of a "special consideration" towards Xawaadle whereby any single Marehan national leader following henceforth will be very "sensitive" to Xawaadle interests. There will never again be a moment like Farmaajo and the Hirshabeelle mistake. Xawaadle maanta buug gaar ah buu noogu qoranyahay. We will be atoning for Farmaajo's godob against them with Guudlaawe for as long as I imagine. I even think it is more than likely that were Farmaajo to come back he would pick a PM from among them more than anyone else in 4.5 Hawiye group as an apology for the unintended consequences that befell them from the horrible mistake of Guudlaawe.

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Reerkaan xaq baa inaga saaran from henceforth! Someone has to take responsibility for Farmaajo's godob and it seems Marehan are waking up to the internalization the responsibility is theirs to shoulder.

[Murax]

Yes I agree that Farmaajo did but how the hell does Farmaajo=MX???? He did so for his own political reasoning and it actually backfired. People misunderstand Farmaajo thwy guy was born in Benadir, grew up there left young. He has zero, zilch to do with MX. So I tell Xawaadle khalaas let’s leave it there, and we are rooting for you to triumph over your injustices.

[Gubbet]

Yes I agree that Farmaajo did but how the hell does Farmaajo=MX???? He did so for his own political reasoning and it actually backfired. People misunderstand Farmaajo thwy guy was born in Benadir, grew up there left young. He has zero, zilch to do with MX. So I tell Xawaadle khalaas let’s leave it there, and we are rooting for you to triumph over your injustices.

This is 4.5 Somalia. I believe in personal responsibility as you know, but I am also someone who has come to understand at a very substantive level the essence and spirit of Somali customary law, i.e. "Xeer." We cannot just pretend Farmaajo was purely a 'sandboxed' individual Somali leader in the Somali political ecosystem even if he never sought advice or guidance from Marehan traditional leaders regarding his actions in Hirshabelle. Farmaajo was covered under the Marehan insurance plan. This is a godob that is now before Marehan the insured policy. Perhaps Marehan traditional leaders should have intervened and even publicly dissented if he was still going to go ahead with his choices then---just like how Hirab and even Abgaal traditional leaders should be intervening, forcefully even; and even publicly dissenting with Hassan Sheekh's current forming 'godob' against "Darod Somalia" [Marehan & Harti] because his godobs are going to be claimed against their Abgaal and Hiraab insured policy as soon as he 'parachutes' out.

[Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE]

Nigga ..this has nothing to do with marehan ….where is godobtu Faramaajo kagalay marehanka…waryaa maxaa nagalay xawadle iyo shurunshur…war ruuxan maxaa kasi ah…Somaliyo dhan baa marehan godob kagashay…focus on Jubbaland and stfu.

[theyuusuf143]

Waar gubbetaw awalbaad laangaab ahaydeene , xawaadle waxba idiin tari maayee Cid kale oo Daarood kiina ah kula daaro. Dunidu way xumaatay waxaan daarod ahayn khayr haka sugi. Dadkaaga aamin indr. xawaadle intaanu karbaashno oo afarta dhinacba iska taagno baanu webiga dushiisa Ku weydiin doona maxaa idiin dana maxaa inoo dana. Xawaadle ma noqon doonan dad loo isticmaalo baabi,inta dhulkooda , intad isku afkaarta tihiina hadaanba kuu sheegaya dibbaa loo saxaya. Haday saxmi waayaana intaanu layno baanu mayd ahaan uga tegayna idinku naf kusoo celiya haragooda. Waar xawaadlaw Yaan janbal laydiin tuuri.

[Gubbet]

Niyo horta laangaab baad halqabsi ka dhigataye, Somali waxeey tiri far iyo meel bugtaa is og. Isaaq baa tahay oo Harti u dhigma baaxad iyo power ana Daarood baan ahay. Taas ka sokoowe Habar Jeclo ayaad tahay oo ah isbahaysi ka kooban 6 or something ilma Sh Isxaaq, more than 80% while the overwhelming majority of my Marehan except for 1 reer are from "Gaalshireedle."

And where is Gaalshireedle?





32/33 sub-clans of "Mareexaan" are really "Gaalshireedle" which is agnatically the same as either Aawe or Wabeeneeye, but not both, in Majerten and which is lower than "Muqaabul" in "Ogaden.

The reason the offspring of Gaalshireedle don't use "Gaalshireedle" but instead utilize the heavy name of Marehan is because there is no competition as they were "madi" (single reproduction) until Hassan and Isaaq Gaalshireedle.

• So quite literally 32/32 sub-clans of Marehan from Hiraabe and the Futuh in the Conquest of Abyssinia to Mohamed Siad Barre and Farmaajo ruling 30/60 years of independent Somalia, from writing the Somali script to being the first to fly to their expanse territory, history, weight, power, size---
  
  
  • ---are really just a very close knit single reer, closer than Awe is to Wabeeneye in Majerten or Makaahiil is to Sacad in Muqaabul within Ogaden.
  
  
  
• Literally the entire "Marehan" you hear is a close knit family that are closer than Maxamed Zuber is to Awlyahan since Gaalshireedle is equivalent to Baahalle.
  
  
  • And which is ridiculously closer than "Adan Madoobe" is to "Toljecle."
  
  

For you see we are the opposite to Habar Jeclo when people assume we are like you. Marehan is not couple short branch sons of Sade like Habar Jeclo is an alliance of multiple short branch Reer Sh Isxaaq--Marehan is one single line where 32/33 subclans are a family equivalent to "Adan Madoobe" who then because there is no competition to higher name near Sh Isaaq take it.

Once again ---"Marehan" are not 5 sons who just happen to be small but is actually 1 family all related lower than AADAN MADOOBE.

I don't want to hear you implicate this nonsense anymore sxb and if you do I will have lost respect for you on the grounds of insecurity because you cannot possibly implicate its usage in good faith on account of this 'clarification.'

[OwQariib]

I remember being suprised when Guudlaawe was named President of Hirshabelle. Abgaal dad hanyar ma aha, kursi maamul goboleed laguma aamusiin karo. Laakin hamigooda optics ma dhaafsiisna. They inherited a massive Imamate from the Ajuran just to end up confederating Somalia instead of expanding and growing the countrys interest. Guudlaawe waa sidaas. Wax ma qabto, wax ma biilo, wax ma dhiso. In many ways Qoorqoor aa ka fiican.

Farmaajo appointing another XL governor would have been a better chess move but i think Xaqsoor (Fahad Yasin) had something to do with it. Two HG and XL states would never agree to put their votes together to bring an Abgaal leader in power. Waaba ku ciil bixi lahaayeen, the no more Abgaal movement was still going strong right until Guudlaawe was appointed. HSM and SS in their Madasha days would have had nowhere to go outside Sii Sii and Marinaayo. A XL and HG state leader would have laughed at them orod Banaadirka aad maqaam u yeelan waysay cod kasoo raadso. The whole election would have become Farmaajo vs Deni at that point with a likely Farmaajo win. Abgaal would have gone back to their early 2000s darxumo, these were the folks happy to let Habargidir nearly win 2 sham elections in a row until Qanyare and Suudi etc all voted AY to save themselves from a Hiraab rotational jeegaan (doqonimadii Abgaal ayagaa weligood Hiraab u talin jiray aasaay maalin sigteen Habargidir aanu isku xuquuq noqono bay islahaayeen).

It was really ironic that Farmaajo repeated the same policies of Barre towards Hawiye subclans and expected a different result - HG fogee, XL ku xaar, Murursade iyo Abgaal muufo la cun. The first two are like the younger children in the house, waa labo fudeed, very passionate but dangerously treasonous, they can betray their older siblings and run off with strangers if offered sweets they never got to eat before. The older two being Abgaal and Murursade do not give a shit about the youngsters until they get old themselves and realise they have to fulfill dardaaranka waalidka (caruurta meel xun ha geyn). USC came in the 95th hour, Badbaado Qaran came in the 96th hour. HAK waxaa lagu yiri doorasho aan Hawiye u qalmin hanoo keenin shaqadiisuu ku waayay. Even after his own Hawiye booted him out of his job he still passed his votes onto HSM. Meanwhile Rooble had shown signs of departing from Damuljadiid but without XL support to start with he knew HG alone will not get respite among the rest of Hawiye, waa markii lasoo celiyey mashruucii Hiraab. Not that i'm a hater, Hiraab siduu ahaan jiray ha noqdo it beats the early 2000s jeegaan attempt.

[theyuusuf143]

Odayaashaas tirada badan maxay kuu tarayan mar hadaanad maanta cidna iska celin Karin. Dhamaan beelaha waaweyn oo dhan kaa hub iyo dhaqaaleba badan. Idinka xawaadle iyo dhuloos baa isku faca. Sidiinay yaguba boqolal oday tirsadan. Isaaq waa new clan aad uma facweynin , that's why abtirsiintayadu at shorter than yours. Laandheere nimada laguu sheega waa xooga.

[Gubbet]

Odayaashaas tirada badan maxay kuu tarayan mar hadaanad maanta cidna iska celin Karin. Dhamaan beelaha waaweyn oo dhan kaa hub iyo dhaqaaleba badan. Idinka xawaadle iyo dhuloos baa isku faca. Sidiinay yaguba boqolal oday tirsadan. Isaaq waa new clan aad uma facweynin , that's why abtirsiintayadu at shorter than yours. Laandheere nimada laguu sheega waa xooga.

[Gubbet]

I remember being suprised when Guudlaawe was named President of Hirshabelle. Abgaal dad hanyar ma aha, kursi maamul goboleed laguma aamusiin karo. Laakin hamigooda optics ma dhaafsiisna. They inherited a massive Imamate from the Ajuran just to end up confederating Somalia instead of expanding and growing the countrys interest. Guudlaawe waa sidaas. Wax ma qabto, wax ma biilo, wax ma dhiso. In many ways Qoorqoor aa ka fiican.

Farmaajo appointing another XL governor would have been a better chess move but i think Xaqsoor (Fahad Yasin) had something to do with it. Two HG and XL states would never agree to put their votes together to bring an Abgaal leader in power. Waaba ku ciil bixi lahaayeen, the no more Abgaal movement was still going strong right until Guudlaawe was appointed. HSM and SS in their Madasha days would have had nowhere to go outside Sii Sii and Marinaayo. A XL and HG state leader would have laughed at them orod Banaadirka aad maqaam u yeelan waysay cod kasoo raadso. The whole election would have become Farmaajo vs Deni at that point with a likely Farmaajo win. Abgaal would have gone back to their early 2000s darxumo, these were the folks happy to let Habargidir nearly win 2 sham elections in a row until Qanyare and Suudi etc all voted AY to save themselves from a Hiraab rotational jeegaan (doqonimadii Abgaal ayagaa weligood Hiraab u talin jiray aasaay maalin sigteen Habargidir aanu isku xuquuq noqono bay islahaayeen).

It was really ironic that Farmaajo repeated the same policies of Barre towards Hawiye subclans and expected a different result - HG fogee, XL ku xaar, Murursade iyo Abgaal muufo la cun. The first two are like the younger children in the house, waa labo fudeed, very passionate but dangerously treasonous, they can betray their older siblings and run off with strangers if offered sweets they never got to eat before. The older two being Abgaal and Murursade do not give a shit about the youngsters until they get old themselves and realise they have to fulfill dardaaranka waalidka (caruurta meel xun ha geyn). USC came in the 95th hour, Badbaado Qaran came in the 96th hour. HAK waxaa lagu yiri doorasho aan Hawiye u qalmin hanoo keenin shaqadiisuu ku waayay. Even after his own Hawiye booted him out of his job he still passed his votes onto HSM. Meanwhile Rooble had shown signs of departing from Damuljadiid but without XL support to start with he knew HG alone will not get respite among the rest of Hawiye, waa markii lasoo celiyey mashruucii Hiraab. Not that i'm a hater, Hiraab siduu ahaan jiray ha noqdo it beats the early 2000s jeegaan attempt.

You are going to destroy Galmudug from Ceel-Buur; that's what we say with a wink and a chuckle from Caabudwaaq.

[OwQariib]

Gubbet, perhaps you should apologise to HG too. Meel walba waxay la taagnaayeen Farmaajaa na xumeeyey he never gave us a starting PM role. Walahi i think si daacad ah ayey nimankaas Farmaajo u aaminsanaayeen, they celebrated the 2017 elections with a zeal, they saw it as their prime chance to avenge the betrayal of Ali Gheedi. And they would have not pulled off a last minute Kheyre 180° rejecting extensions. Even now many HG are angry with Rooble for not doing enough in atleast keeping his job or becoming President himself. Farmaajo's Murursade appointment was looked at as an candhowadaag appointment by the higher echelons of political spectators, the lower end believed it was a CBB anti tribal neutral clans policy. Neither opinion could hold real weight in reality. Murursade is not a neutral clan nor are our women heavily tribal in nature. But in short, Abgaal iyo Murursade ha isku aaminin, it was Mohamed Sheikh Osman they use to call "tuugga aan weligii la qaban" oo Caydiid boqol jeer ka badbaadiyey Siyaad oo u dhaarsan while Abdiqasim was loyal to the end like Ina Addow.

[Murax]

Gubbet,

Reason I believe we don’t owe jack is because while Culusow is blatantly Qabiliste, and Abgal benefit from it Farmaajo was not. Since Abgal, Hiiraab benefit from the qabiliste Culusow it’s on them to say skm. Infact I can understand where Smile is coming from because if anything Farmaajo was qabiliste against us! Beledweyne always got preference over Reer Gedo when it came to fatahaad etc

[Gubbet]

Gubbet, perhaps you should apologise to HG too. Meel walba waxay la taagnaayeen Farmaajaa na xumeeyey he never gave us a starting PM role. Walahi i think si daacad ah ayey nimankaas Farmaajo u aaminsanaayeen, they celebrated the 2017 elections with a zeal, they saw it as their prime chance to avenge the betrayal of Ali Gheedi. And they would have not pulled off a last minute Kheyre 180° rejecting extensions. Even now many HG are angry with Rooble for not doing enough in atleast keeping his job or becoming President himself. Farmaajo's Murursade appointment was looked at as an candhowadaag appointment by the higher echelons of political spectators, the lower end believed it was a CBB anti tribal neutral clans policy. Neither opinion could hold real weight in reality. Murursade is not a neutral clan nor are our women heavily tribal in nature. But in short, Abgaal iyo Murursade ha isku aaminin, it was Mohamed Sheikh Osman they use to call "tuugga aan weligii la qaban" oo Caydiid boqol jeer ka badbaadiyey Siyaad oo u dhaarsan while Abdiqasim was loyal to the end like Ina Addow.

Aduunka Cayr baad u necebtihiin iyo Dhuusamareeb---you are forgetting we are the Darod connoisseurs of the psycho-behavioral peculiarities of the Hawiye coastal plains not to mention in Galgaduud with you on the other side of Dusa Mareb!!!

Aduunk Cayr baad u necebtihiin and the town of Dusa Mareb. Dusa Mareb and Ceel Buur are the two oldest modern towns in central Somalia between Galkayo and Beled-Weyne. Until recently they were both backwater left in the same boat. Ceel-Buur cleared out and neglected by you for Dayniile [since Dusa Mareb became Galgaduud capital] and Dusamareb stunted prematurely after MX aborted it for Caabudwaaq followed by Cayr deciding to concentrate in Guriceel which was uncontested and without the historical liability claims of Dhusamareb.

So this worked fine---, until Galmudug came along.

Wallahi everytime one little thing is built in Dusa Mareb, we in Caabudwaaq immediately turn to your folks to see the reaction.

Oh you are going to destroy Galmudug and the faster they move Shabab out of Ceelbuyr area, the faster you will implicate being the Achilles heel of Galmudug.

Do you see what MX are to Madoobe Jubbaland or Xawaadle are to Guudlaawe Hirshabeelle?

You will be a super escalated freak version of it. And with the extreme petty level of xinaaso between you and Cayr in central Galgaduud it will make for some comedy.

[Kees70]

Gubbet lately you've been all over the place sida shaqsi lumay maskax ahaan,

You went from begging an Dhullo to preside over your folks to now wishing murusade destroy Galmudug for you.

Horta fadlan, please tell us further of how an marginalized masakiins who have been under alshabaab rule since 2007 have the slightest capability of destroying Galmudug?

Aniga I wish all community well, but the facts remain that clans who are Alshabaab free are thriving developmental wise and politically, we can see the prosperity boom thats happening all over Galmudug from Dhusomareeb, Guriceel, Afbarwaaqo, Cadaado, Wisil, Galkacyo and Galinsoor.

No one is waiting for no-one when it comes to developing their lands, as for the political gains the Alshabaab free clans have made is obvious for all, by example us Sacad alone gained from being Alshabaab free by getting dozens of Districts passed by the Parliament totaling now having 9 districts alone.


You see, being under Alshabaab hinders all developments and infact it's Alshabaab that destroys communities not clans.