And now the play is in the 2nd trimester ; Madoobe must go---& so too does Fartaag, Janan, all "Reer Ceel-Qaaloow"

[Gubbet]

Along with that this issue is being used as a foil for an even bigger 30 year problem that is finally being overcome. 3 men are playing a public role in a public play. Kediye is one!!!!
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December;

• Gubbet,
  
  Say perhaps that happens, and many MX suddenly flip, become HSM supporters. How is that not blatant Qabilism?
  
  
  
  Truth be told I have zero Qabil Grievance to HSM, the reason I’m not a fan of him is because I believe he has very small, narrow goals. Foreign policy is weak which always depicts Somalia taking the fetal position. Domestically I think he’s weak too because he feels he needs to use Somali National Government positions to Damiin yaal to repay political favors. But I will not suddenly become a fan because one of his policies favored my clan.
  
  Maybe my perspective is different because where I live I’m
  reminded constantly of the humiliation statelessness has caused Somalis around the world. In the West that humiliation is not as evident.

  Truth be told, I would rather "Ahmed Madoobe" continue the status quo than "Fartaag" ever being rewarded for his 10 year betrayal.
  
  Ahmed Madoobe And the status quo I have learned to stomach--and find him even a tolerable "status quo" serving as a placeholder until a full break with the past.
  
  Fartaag---I will never "stomach."
  
  Better Noyan and an honorable state of disagreement than Kundodo and the treachery of a serpent in my tent!
  
  https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 5#p5035050

• You were clapping for Janan in that Beled-Hawa travesty Farmajo thought was a "deal." What did it birth? The whole storm that sweeped him out in a clean brush stroke---and he didn't even get an honest deal partner! There is an element within Marehan that can't help being taken for suckers. If someone shows you who they are the first time--BELIEVE IT. It is possible then that might have been a bad impression, but if they show you a SECOND TIME, a THIRD TIME, a FOURTH TIME---all I gotta say is
  
  
  
  Ahmed Madoobe over Fartaag for me---Wallahul Cadiim!
  
  Go on and take 'em, I aint got nothing to do with this.
  
  https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 5#p5035054

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Finally as difficult as it is to say anything with a gag order, I am anti-Jubbaland Madoobe as it has existed from beginning until end.

Madoobe out, but Fartaag out as well; Janan out, all who were with Madoobe the last 10 years and now wished to use Gedo as a pedestal to launch into Jubbaland leadership post-Madoobe.

There is not a single child in Garbahaarey that is pro-Madoobe or HSM. In fact, they despise them the most out of all the people in Gedo. Ditto Luuq. Chaos is definitely a ladder.

With that said Axmed Buulle Gareed is the President of Free Jubbaland.

[MrSinister]

With respect, that’s a loosing strategy and it will lead to Marehan/ reer gedo being divided. One of the reasons dhulbahante were able to defeat Somaliland is because they didn’t let Somaliland divide them when it mattered and were willing to forgive those who worked for Somaliland in order to move forward. Maybe it will take some time for marexaan to get there.

[Gubbet]

With respect, that’s a loosing strategy and it will lead to Marehan/ reer gedo being divided. One of the reasons dhulbahante were able to defeat Somaliland is because they didn’t let Somaliland divide them when it mattered and were willing to forgive those who worked for Somaliland in order to move forward. Maybe it will take some time for marexaan to get there.

Somalis are simple and misunderstood Waare's generality.

Mareexaan's problem isn't division. Mareexaan's problem is foreign interposition

That is really what Waare observed but did not understand. For you see those are correlating factors, they are not causative. Mareexaan's division isn't any more problematic than that which was between Deni and Asad Diyana who fought in Boosaaso as two Cusman Maxmuud men or Deni vs Aaran Jaan standing off in Garowe as two Maxamuud Saleebaan men.

Mareexaan's problem is the literal existence of KENYAN TROOPS in Jubbaland. That's like a Yemeni army in Boosaaso/Puntland which then prevents a natural resolution to such as that took place between Deni vs Diyaano or is happening in Garowe.

So you understand?

Kenya will leave. They will leave because this is Somalia where the stones are too hot, the wind too stifling, and the sun too bright. They will leave like the American Rangers and the UNITAF and Belgians and UNSOM, like the Italians and the Caribanieri, like the British and the Kings African Rifles.

That is the momentary problem facing Marehan, not necessarily the "division." That is just natural diversity of thought which has resolution either peacefully or naturally imposed conclusion.

All 3 MX, Dhul, and Xawaadle are different.

1. Dhulbahante is the only one that was burdened by division at an unnatural level. They are also the most defensively impacted. They faced an entire machine that was made to try to take control over them in their very homes. This is even more stark concerning what division did to Dhulbahante when you realize they are historically hegemonic meaning they shouldn't even have been in the defense. Dhulbahante was facing once in a historical period type of situation where total unity was absolutely indispensable. It is similar to MX from Irir in 1992 in "Beled-Xaawo."

2. Xawaadle is a problem of limitations. They do not face division or are even in defense, they are on the offense but however hegemonic when they are not implicated in hegemonic status over the entirety of an area. They live in parts of a very diverse city and parts of a very diverse region. For example, they are not Marehan and Gedo. Being a plurality of a region at like, for example, 22% of a region iwhen the next group is 17% followed by a 3rd group who is 15% and a 4th who is 12%, is not MX and Gedo or Majerten and Bari who are every town and district. Xawaadle's problem is they are like the Darod who thought they could take over Xamar until the defeat at Afgooye. They will face an "end of road" and then move on from this impossibility learning to embrace "plurality" and letting go of "super -majority."

3. Mareexaan is a problem of interposition. They have natural hegemony over an area which has been "unnaturally disrupted." A once in a historical circumstance type of roadblock has been put down in the form of actual foreign KDF boots. I can tell you if Mareexaan made the decision to fight as a clan to force Kenyan withdrawal, although with sacrifice, they can make Kenyan withdraw from the entire territory of Somalia in less than 6 months. 6 months. Kenya problem assumed they could even be in Luuq when they entered. They have not been in Gedo Region for the past half decade after the Ceel Cadde attack when they literally rolled back from Buusaar which is how far they got in Gedo all the way back to the Kenyan custom post in Ceel-waaq. Marehan can make them withdraw within 6 months from entire Jubbaland if we reached the point to fight them as a clan. We have not. But they are a physical interposition that has created an unnatural circumstance.

Do you know why I can say "Ahmed Madoobe And the status quo I have learned to stomach--and find him even a tolerable "status quo" serving as a placeholder until a full break with the past?"

Because to the depth of my bones the only conclusion I see is a Marehan controlled, administered, even lorded over Jubbaland when all of this is said and done at the very end.

"Division" isn't preventing me from that. Interposition is; momentary, transitory, transitional interposition that is more "irritating" than even "problematic."