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Thanks to your impetuosity in sharing, in so public a fashion no less, a highly sensitive "beel" military/political secret, Madoobe has, reportedly, placed his militias on high alert in all over Jubaland, particular attention being given, of course, to Gedo region.
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I still support the cagdheer , I can see merxan ruling jubaland but not now.
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Laangaabyahaw wakhtigad doonto qabso , walaahi baanad cagdheer kismayo Ka qaadi Karin. Cilmiyan baan u dersay arintan .
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Hush nin yahoo dawakhsan! :lol: Ogaadeen anigaa ah, Ogaadeen waa aniga, where do you see Marehan and Ogaden fighting in Jubbaland? In 10 years of Ahmed Madoobe stand off there is not even a single fight over a water well or grazing in the gazillion kms of "is dhex gal" between Marehan and Ogaden nomads from Baardheere to even Kulbio and Qooqaani heck even into Northeastern (NFD) as deep as even Habaasweyne & Cawlyahan or Masalani & Abdalla. I have pointed this out to Ogaadeen here myself!
I do not ever partake in conversations regarding your right to settle in Baardheere, in Gedo etc. Horta have you ever noticed that? For the amount of times you, yourself, have laid claim to Baardheere or any other single Ogaadeen who has said anything about having a right to Gedo equity have you noticed that I never ever have even brought a rebuttal or response or anything of that nature when I am the quickest to respond and respond aggressively about Marehan Galmudug and and HG? The only response I have ever given to any engineered arguments between Marehan and Ogadeen in Jubbaland has only been correcting the record when it was alleged it was because of "Siad Barre" that Marehan came to be anywhere in Jubbaland. Beyond that I have always been the first to say welcome OG come live with me even in Garbahaarey and Beled-Xaawo if you want!

Do you ever hear a "clan clash" in that hundreds of km boundary between Marehan and Absame within Jubbaland down the expanse of the Jubba Valley? Especially considering 100% of the Cawlyahan bordering us are geelley? You never hear even a single single clash!

The reason why you do not hear it is why I am never with response to anything you have to say about your equity either historically or even starting now regarding Baardheere or Gedo where as I am quick to rebut HG in Mudug----because...THERE ARE NO HEGEMONIC LAND DISPUTES BETWEEN MAREHAN AND OGADEN, SIR! Welcome to Gedo, welcome to Baardheere, welcome to Garbahaareey!

I don't rebut you because the lack of hostilities in land disputes or equity disagreements themselves are self-explanatory that you are not considered "encroaching" and so my outlook conversely is the lack of hard border is mutually affirming which is the only reason such a state can exist among Somalis without instituting hostilities around "encroachment" or land disputes.

If you do not want me in Afmadoow, then I would take the view that Marehan should not be in Afmadoow and truthfully Marehan has enough land and grazing to be perfectly honest as Gedo is bigger than the entire other half of Jubbaland WITH the caveat less than 1/3 of Lower Jubba is even "camel country" which is the unanimous Marehan livelihood whereas MZubeer are cattle folks in Afmadoow because of environment to begin with.

Sxb, I don't even think Marehan even gives off the implication of wanting to encroach upon you---I think rightfully or wrongfully that is a misunderstanding born on your part which is unhealthy rationale now that I think about it. Sxb Marehan camels were even implicated in going down to Lower Jubba AS OPPOSED TO UP AND LIBAN TO NAGEYLE in 80's because of serious consequences born from the hostilities of the '77 war wherein Menguste hostilities both in Mudug-Shilaabo border and Gedo-Liibaan border seriously disrupted our natural migratory movements.

I don't know if you even noticed but we even have our own woreda in Liban today of Deka Suftu. Gedo camels go northwest now out of Gedo all the way to Deka and even northeast through Luuq-Bakool to Chereti. The SPM wars are done. Ogaden has inherited a legitimate, but ridiculously over ballooned cuqdad. I am not at all hostile to your equities, I just think that is blind spot that you guys need to address today.
Dhulbahante and you are hegemonic foes in the north! Marehan and Habar Gidir are hegemonic foes in Galmudug!

Marehan and Ogaden are not hegemonic foes in Jubbaland!

Marehan and Habar Gidir fight and cannot live together even while both recognizing Galmudug and you and Dhulbahante ditto the same even as Somaliland was in control of Laascaanood but despite and even INSPITE of Marehan and Ahmed Madoobe being at loggerheads over Jubbaland, Marehan the people and Ogadeen the people both in Jubbaland perfectly and naturally share ood and grazing without a single land issue of any substantive nature! That is "NATURAL" peace as peace can get natural between Somalis.

This Marehan.vs Ogaden nonsense maskaxda ka bixi ninyaho!
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barbarossa wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:46 pm Thanks to your impetuosity in sharing, in so public a fashion no less, a highly sensitive "beel" military/political secret, Madoobe has, reportedly, placed his militias on high alert in all over Jubaland, particular attention being given, of course, to Gedo region.
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Kkkkkkk waxaagu waxay la mid tahay anoo hada Ku dhaha , habarjeclo iyo dhulbahante dagaal uma dhexeeyo , waa runoo hadana shacab kayaga dagaal uma dhexeeyo, laakiin qolo walba ciidamay samaysatay u dagaalama. Somalidu nashqadihii hore ee dagaalka way bedeleen.
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You didn't read what I wrote.

Isaaq and Dhulbahante is not like Marehan and Ogaden in Jubbaland, they are like Marehan and Hawiye in Galmudug.

IS-DH or MX-HW is serious equity (land, resources, grazing) conflict in an existentially bitter hegemonic competition and this exists even when under the same administration.

OG-MX in Jubbaland is "NATURAL" peace and this is even more stark when you realize it exists INSPITE of the serious political disagreement between Madoobe-MX.
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Gubbet wrote: Sun Jul 09, 2023 3:49 am

Isaaq and Dhulbahante is not like Marehan and Ogaden in Jubbaland, they are like Marehan and Hawiye in Galmudug.


The question is why can't you dooros especially , idinka iyo cagdheer can't agree on kismayo for 32 years. Let me answer my question. Its Greed and fear. Waadna iimaan la,adihiin oo waxba isuma hanbaysan, waadna Kala baqaysaan oo kii meesha laga qaadaa waa vulnerable , Axmed madoobe xitaa lafihiisa buu u cabsanaya. Mar horuu meesha idiinka kici lahaa hadaysan jirin cabsi uu ka baqayo inaad minjo xaabisan isaga iyo tolkiiba . Ogaaden Ku weliba waa very determined to keep their only stake in Somalia. No body gives a shit of afmadaw, kismayo is gold.
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