In the next 2 decades, Kismaayo will follow the "ownership" trajectory of Luuq and Bardere.

[Gubbet]

Marehan has already started settling Kismaayo in force the last couple years.

I see it within my own family. Something has changed the last 10 years.

In the 1990s and during Barre Hiiraale, this desire didn't even exist.

Marehan never wanted it, which is the only reason why Kismaayo isn't already like Gedo. Since Marehan has always had camel livelihood, he expanded into camel country in Jubbaland from the Daua River to northern Af-Madoow.

The Ogaden mostly adopted livestock from the conquered people in the area, therefore they moved into cattle country from Afmadoow toward the Tana River, whose center is Garissa-Masalani.

The Awlyahan who strattled in between Marehan and the rest of Ogaden took Lak Dera—Saakoow; a mixture of cattle and camel country. Habaswayne is its center.

Due to their lack of stock and lack of considerable migration, the Harti were forced to work as traders for the first British outpost in Kismaayo. Their profession of merchant became a livelihood which in this region of the world was doomed to never amass any sizable stock of appreciating real estate. However, they are still Jubbalanders and have an unmistakable historical connection to Kismaayo and Jubbaland as a whole in the name of Darod, under whose banner Marehan, Absame, and Harti first conquered and colonized this land.


To return to Marehan, they control the largest portion of Jubbaland, if not a clear majority of it; they are the most powerful social-cultural actor in whose name Jubbaland will be governed by suzerainty if and when they return to their own accord ; they have the most districts, towns, and settlements; they are the wealthest political and economic holding possessing the most assets and investments----in short, in just about every facet one can think of they possess the primacy of equity and ownership regarding Jubbaland.

Yet, from the moment they came to the Jubba, they haven't wanted Waamo or the interior of Lower Jubba. Even now, they still don't really want it, and even more so, they never appreciated Kismaayo since they had all the camel country they needed in upper Jubba. Even when they had need of services of a big town or large city, they went to the useful "city-state" that was Mogadishu the capital of Somalia.

Even in the 1990s, when Marehan took over leadership of Kismaayo, it was still more about the PORT than it was about joining Waamo.

Over the past ten years, something has altered.

1. The growth of federalism.
2. The union of Gedo and Kismaayo as the Federal State of Jubbaland.
3. The weakness that Kenya exploited by taking advantage of Marehan's treatment of Kismaayo as that "exclave" out there "near-abroad."

Marehan is the man with all of the necessary equipment, including the field, baseball bats, players, and supporters, with the exception of the "baseball."

Madoobe, who is essentially useless and insignificant as a footnote and who resides 15 kilometers from the KDF headquarters at Kismaayo Port, has been employed by Kenya for the past 10 years to exploit a loophole that allows him to influence the entire political process because Kismaayo is seen as the "baseball."

If KDF's rouse of Madoobe in Kismaayo was 10 years , it is only ironic the most substantive consequence would be directly birthing Marehan ownership of Kismaayo the next 10,000 years.

Actions Have Consequences.

Since Marehan came to the Jubba River, there have been 3 Capitals of the Jubba Valley;

1. Luuq
2. Bardere
3. Kismaayo

In an intentional move to seize control of the camel country of the Upper Jubba watershed, Marehan successfully seized Luuq and Bardera.

They didn't take it in a single day of fighting, under siege, or using coercive tactics. They took control of it with the purposeful intent of gaining a larger and larger competitive advantage in their population's percentage or component of the total

Marehan took control of Bardere and Luuq.----Next, KISMAAYO WILL BE TAKEN BY THE SAME.

That has not been the goal up until now. It is now specific socio-politico-cultural objective.

I will not be surprised if as close as within 15 years time, Kismaayo doesn't already resemble Bardera as recently as 1990.

[Khalid Ali]

kISMAYO doesnt belong to ur clan , history shows us that ur clan have never held kismayo ever , in a brief time under huraale for a small period of time under the guidance of the so called cayr warlords. and that was it when the ceyr went on the side of the icu , huuraale had to flee. and seek an alliance with cabdilahi yey. after that , ur clan have never ever administrated kismayo. and thats 17 years. now u can dream u want to go back to kismayo but madoone has been in power for now almost ten years. marka maxa xal ah maad bararooran m ise waad ooyi

. now come with arguments true argument why i believe ur clan will own the so called kismayo wishfull thinking naga daa

[Gubbet]

You know I blocked you because of your behavior. And you will stay blocked.

[eliteSomali]

kISMAYO doesnt belong to ur clan , history shows us that ur clan have never held kismayo ever , in a brief time under huraale for a small period of time under the guidance of the so called cayr warlords. and that was it when the ceyr went on the side of the icu , huuraale had to flee. and seek an alliance with cabdilahi yey. after that , ur clan have never ever administrated kismayo. and thats 17 years. now u can dream u want to go back to kismayo but madoone has been in power for now almost ten years. marka maxa xal ah maad bararooran m ise waad ooyi

. now come with arguments true argument why i believe ur clan will own the so called kismayo wishfull thinking naga daa

hala yaabin gubbet. He comes on snet to release built up tension and anger. The delusional essays he writes is his way of venting.
Kismaayo is never going back to the isbaaro days of HG where they bled the ports and airport.
to quote a certain habar jeclo poet:

@gubbet
"Ma afkaad ku hawl bixi, cidlaad ka hanjabaysaaye?"

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

kISMAYO doesnt belong to ur clan , history shows us that ur clan have never held kismayo ever , in a brief time under huraale for a small period of time under the guidance of the so called cayr warlords. and that was it when the ceyr went on the side of the icu , huuraale had to flee. and seek an alliance with cabdilahi yey. after that , ur clan have never ever administrated kismayo. and thats 17 years. now u can dream u want to go back to kismayo but madoone has been in power for now almost ten years. marka maxa xal ah maad bararooran m ise waad ooyi

. now come with arguments true argument why i believe ur clan will own the so called kismayo wishfull thinking naga daa

hala yaabin gubbet. He comes on snet to release built up tension and anger. The delusional essays he writes is his way of venting.
Kismaayo is never going back to the isbaaro days of HG where they bled the ports and airport.
to quote a certain habar jeclo poet:

@gubbet
"Ma afkaad ku hawl bixi, cidlaad ka hanjabaysaaye?"

When you put an hated man in power… expect unexpected reactions. There’s no “Somalia” it died a long time ago. Handle your colonization of Baraawe. Actually when you elected HSM you did me an solid. SSC on fire… terrorist attacks in Mogadishu. And we have a sleeping PM. Abiy and Ruto do what they want because you cawaan.

[Gubbet]

kISMAYO doesnt belong to ur clan , history shows us that ur clan have never held kismayo ever , in a brief time under huraale for a small period of time under the guidance of the so called cayr warlords. and that was it when the ceyr went on the side of the icu , huuraale had to flee. and seek an alliance with cabdilahi yey. after that , ur clan have never ever administrated kismayo. and thats 17 years. now u can dream u want to go back to kismayo but madoone has been in power for now almost ten years. marka maxa xal ah maad bararooran m ise waad ooyi

. now come with arguments true argument why i believe ur clan will own the so called kismayo wishfull thinking naga daa

hala yaabin gubbet. He comes on snet to release built up tension and anger. The delusional essays he writes is his way of venting.
Kismaayo is never going back to the isbaaro days of HG where they bled the ports and airport.
to quote a certain habar jeclo poet:

@gubbet
"Ma afkaad ku hawl bixi, cidlaad ka hanjabaysaaye?"

Do you know that Maahmaah " Mareexaan inteey nabad ka goyso, colaad kama goyso? "

This is exactly what it means.

The maahmaah doesn't mean colaad is preferable because Marehan takes advantage of nabad.

It meant the consequences of conflict with Marehan has LONG, VERY LONG ramifications which will continue to reverberate to your detriment long after you and Marehan have stopped active conflict.

It will cost you long, very long during the peace afterwards because of the rolling consequence.

Marehan decoded to take LUGH TOWN because of the imposition of the colonial administration under the Italians of Lugh Ferrandi. Why is Daua grazing ruled by a non-Marehan Lugh town was the question. Either we force a spin off of Daua grazing from Lugh town or we make Lugh town ours. They made Lugh town theirs

Marehan decided to take BARDERE TOWN because of the imposition of the colonial and post-independemce administration of ALTO GIUBA making Lugh and Bardere disparate parts ruled from Baidoa. Why not just take Bardere and connect to each other as Lugh and Bardere into our own region was the question they asked. They decided to take Bardere and we have modern Gedo Region.

The question Marehan has asked because of the vulnerability showcased by KDF Jubbaland has been why is Marehan Jubba territory ruled from a non-Marehan Kismaayo (they settle of course but it isn't Garbahaarey for example)? Either we spin off Marehan Jubba territory into a Gedo State or we make Kismaayo ours

They are going to make Kismaayo theirs.

And probably Afmadoow town itself will become like Ceel-Waaq modern town; a strategically held more diverse Marehan connective district.

This is something we will all be observing given the average normal human lifespan.

[eliteSomali]

kISMAYO doesnt belong to ur clan , history shows us that ur clan have never held kismayo ever , in a brief time under huraale for a small period of time under the guidance of the so called cayr warlords. and that was it when the ceyr went on the side of the icu , huuraale had to flee. and seek an alliance with cabdilahi yey. after that , ur clan have never ever administrated kismayo. and thats 17 years. now u can dream u want to go back to kismayo but madoone has been in power for now almost ten years. marka maxa xal ah maad bararooran m ise waad ooyi

. now come with arguments true argument why i believe ur clan will own the so called kismayo wishfull thinking naga daa

hala yaabin gubbet. He comes on snet to release built up tension and anger. The delusional essays he writes is his way of venting.
Kismaayo is never going back to the isbaaro days of HG where they bled the ports and airport.
to quote a certain habar jeclo poet:

@gubbet
"Ma afkaad ku hawl bixi, cidlaad ka hanjabaysaaye?"

Do you know that Maahmaah " Mareexaan inteey nabad ka goyso, colaad kama goyso? "

This is exactly what it means.

The maahmaah doesn't mean colaad is preferable because Marehan takes advantage of nabad.

It meant the consequences of conflict with Marehan has LONG, VERY LONG ramifications which will continue to reverberate to your detriment long after you and Marehan have stopped active conflict.

It will cost you long, very long during the peace afterwards because of the rolling consequence.

Marehan decoded to take LUGH TOWN because of the imposition of the colonial administration under the Italians of Lugh Ferrandi. Why is Daua grazing ruled by a non-Marehan Lugh town was the question. Either we force a spin off of Daua grazing from Lugh town or we make Lugh town ours. They made Lugh town theirs

Marehan decided to take BARDERE TOWN because of the imposition of the colonial and post-independemce administration of ALTO GIUBA making Lugh and Bardere disparate parts ruled from Baidoa. Why not just take Bardere and connect to each other as Lugh and Bardere into our own region was the question they asked. They decided to take Bardere and we have modern Gedo Region.

The question Marehan has asked because of the vulnerability showcased by KDF Jubbaland has been why is Marehan Jubba territory ruled from a non-Marehan Kismaayo (they settle of course but it isn't Garbahaarey for example)? Either we spin off Marehan Jubba territory into a Gedo State or we make Kismaayo ours

They are going to make Kismaayo theirs.

And probably Afmadoow town itself will become like Ceel-Waaq modern town; a strategically held more diverse Marehan connective district.

This is something we will all be observing given the average normal human lifespan.

You ain't gonna do shit.
stop the cap my man.

You've been dreaming about kismaayo for the last 15 years, regurgitating the same talking points. I found a thread where you predicted the same thing three years ago.
https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=403295

The notion that Marehan can cause any harm to Ogaden is only in your mind. You simply do not have the resources, or the man power to cause even a subclan of Ogaden any trouble.

Faanka iyo hanjabaadka bila ficilka naga jooji. KDF qudheeda maad dagaal la gashid aniguba 100 sana in ka badan baan Ethiopia dagaal ku hayee?
The whole forum is filled your calacal.

[Gubbet]

I literally stated and reiterated this is a multi-generational paradigm spanning at the very least two decades.

In general, stop responding to ME. Respond to "information."

Thank you.

[Nomand]

kISMAYO doesnt belong to ur clan , history shows us that ur clan have never held kismayo ever , in a brief time under huraale for a small period of time under the guidance of the so called cayr warlords. and that was it when the ceyr went on the side of the icu , huuraale had to flee. and seek an alliance with cabdilahi yey. after that , ur clan have never ever administrated kismayo. and thats 17 years. now u can dream u want to go back to kismayo but madoone has been in power for now almost ten years. marka maxa xal ah maad bararooran m ise waad ooyi

. now come with arguments true argument why i believe ur clan will own the so called kismayo wishfull thinking naga daa

Khalid did you not say mx are majority of kismaayo.

It doesn't matter who controls now. Mx man controlled mogadishu for 27 years.

What matters is population.

[mahoka]

I literally stated and reiterated this is a multi-generational paradigm spanning at the very least two decades.

In general, stop responding to ME. Respond to "information."

Thank you.

Gubbet I wonder how siyaad barre would feel if he was still alive. He imported a lot of your cagdheer cousins into Somalia

[Gubbet]

I literally stated and reiterated this is a multi-generational paradigm spanning at the very least two decades.

In general, stop responding to ME. Respond to "information."

Thank you.

Gubbet I wonder how siyaad barre would feel if he was still alive. He imported a lot of your cagdheer cousins into Somalia

He would probably tell Ilkoyar not to get anywhere near his mother Shamhaad's people, his dear reer abti.

Wallahi few things about Somalis surprise, but how Ogaden, not all but some, bite the hand of the man who was more favorable towards them than any other Somali in world histor;y---by far more favorable towards them than his own clan---istill leaves me incredulous. Wallahi he was more favorable towards them than he could ever have been towards his own folks and astronomically more favorable towards them than any of them could have been towards us whether we were their reer abti or not.

You would see Patriot here call him "Afweyne" and peddle unintelligible inanities when guys who were his own Reer Isaaq from DHAGAXBUUR like the Jees brothers were top government ministers at the same time.

What Puntland and Deni leadned from Ahmed Madoobe is what Marehan learned from the Jees' of the past namely "Don't you EVER do a favor for 'The Patriots' of this world!"

And if you do, you better do it counting it beforehand as an investment loss, if not an investment LIABILITY altogether!

[eliteSomali]

@gubbet, if you don't want me calling you out on your fairytales, don't make any threads then.
don't respond me kulahaa.Futo jilicsinaa wuxu.

[Sbashi]

@gubbet, if you don't want me calling you out on your fairytales, don't make any threads then.
don't respond me kulahaa.Futo jilicsinaa wuxu.

You can respond just don't attack/insult him personally like you just did. Respond to the argument, it's very simple

[eliteSomali]

@gubbet, if you don't want me calling you out on your fairytales, don't make any threads then.
don't respond me kulahaa.Futo jilicsinaa wuxu.

You can respond just don't attack/insult him personally like you just did. Respond to the argument, it's very simple

Is this you are alter account?
How many accounts do you have waryaa?

[Gubbet]

@gubbet, if you don't want me calling you out on your fairytales, don't make any threads then.
don't respond me kulahaa.Futo jilicsinaa wuxu.

You can respond just don't attack/insult him personally like you just did. Respond to the argument, it's very simple

He just gave me a directive to "don't make any threads." This is what a spoiled adolescent says to a grown up in real life. His problem is his inability to "control" what I can or cannot say so he becomes obsessively preoccupied with me. He literally posts ONLY to lash out at me for "posting." I have also noticed when I kick his front teeth in, he slinks away and doesn't bother me for a while, but when I am nice and mature with him, as in this topic, he becomes a pestilence.

EliteSomali,

Ina adeer, iga xishood adigoo raali ah. Too much weeye your 'harassment' of me at this point.