AMISOM can be in Somalia for another 100 years and it will fall to Shabaab the second they move out.

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AMISOM can be in Somalia for another 100 years and it will fall to Shabaab the second they move out.

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Authenticity. That's the secret.

Somalia will fall to Shabaab the minute AMISOM moves out---just like Afghanistan fell to the Taliban----not because the people value extremism, but people value "authencity."

People responded differently to Farmaajo because they felt he was "authentic."

Rashid Abdi and Sahan and the paeudo-intellectual think tanks, themselves formed from an ecosystem of inauthenticity carrying a bias for rewarding reflection of self may have spoken the language expected of them when they smugly derided FarmJo supporters as "cult of personality," or "nationalism" and "strongman jingoism" but they were describing their own strategy for manipulating their role as gatekeepers to Western donor goals and expectations regarding what the paltry charity was suppoaed to be rationalized for.

What made people respond to Farmaajo the way they did was "authencity." That's what keeps Nabad and Nolol alive after he left office.

Lack of authencity is why Hassan Sheekh Mohamud is a complete failure getting any traction from the average man.

The entire State building process, the army building, representative legislating,---the entire "spirit" of the country is dead under Hassan Sheikh.

No matter what article they write or state of manipulatively distractive deadline after deadline is set for alleged "piecemeal" gains, no matter what benchmarks are superficially who them are wielded like reinforcement of gains---it is all meaningless fillers because of inauthenticity.

Processes that work, work because of Authenticity.

That stick, that hold, that last do so because they are Authentic.

When we say it is the real thing so X amont of money vs it is a rip, pay this fraction, Authenticity is the difference.

Authenticity is more expensive, valued, coveted,, because it lasts.

What is inauthentic wlll come off the seams within couple days time.

Somalia's number #1 contributor to violence, displacement, humanitarian tragedy, extremism, radicalization, poverty, ---is the Authencity Gap.
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Re: AMISOM can be in Somalia for another 100 years and it will fall to Shabaab the second they move out.

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Yet this gov trained

Guutada 22aad iyo guutada 23aad. ( Policia militar)
Guutada 24aad Khaliid Binu waliid
Guutada 25aad Omar Binu Khadaab
Guutada 26aad Ali Ibn Taalib
Guutada 27aad Abubakar al Sadiiq
Guutada 28aad Abu Cubeyda

10 500 soldiers in total. In less than 15 months.

Sh Shariif started this war against Al shabab and Birmade Hassan sheikh will finish the job. Look at how security improved after NN in Mogadishu.
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Re: AMISOM can be in Somalia for another 100 years and it will fall to Shabaab the second they move out.

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AbkoowDhiblaawe wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:50 am Yet this gov trained

Guutada 22aad iyo guutada 23aad. ( Policia militar)
Guutada 24aad Khaliid Binu waliid
Guutada 25aad Omar Binu Khadaab
Guutada 26aad Ali Ibn Taalib
Guutada 27aad Abubakar al Sadiiq
Guutada 28aad Abu Cubeyda

10 500 soldiers in total. In less than 15 months.

Sh Shariif started this war against Al shabab and Birmade Hassan sheikh will finish the job. Look at how security improved after NN in Mogadishu.
One day you will read back on this topic, if fortunate to do so, and without need for any other contributions but this----will end up realizing with mid self-consciousness just how strikingly innocent your response was.

And so to reinforce the depths of that realization's illumination at that point, I add this force multiplier contextualizing the rawness of your innocence; Farmaajo will qualify for a footnote just on his contributions Somalia's sense of "statehood" upto this point of his relevance ---- Hassan Sheekh will not qualify for citation.

And he is sitting on the seat of Somalia 's "presidency" right this second withall the opportunity for contribution.

That's what the "Authencity Gap" takes from you---"value."

Humans discard what they do not consider valuable. Hassan Sheekh Mohamed has already been discarded by the Somali imagination.
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AbkoowDhiblaawe wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:50 am Yet this gov trained

Guutada 22aad iyo guutada 23aad. ( Policia militar)
Guutada 24aad Khaliid Binu waliid
Guutada 25aad Omar Binu Khadaab
Guutada 26aad Ali Ibn Taalib
Guutada 27aad Abubakar al Sadiiq
Guutada 28aad Abu Cubeyda

10 500 soldiers in total. In less than 15 months.

Sh Shariif started this war against Al shabab and Birmade Hassan sheikh will finish the job. Look at how security improved after NN in Mogadishu.

The perfect encapsulation of the "Authencity Gap" if one were looking for it.

Farmaajo named his soldiers to brigades called Gorgor (Eagles), Haramcad (Cheetah, some Leopard)..., every child in Somalia playacted national soldier, mothers proudly put eagle and leopard motifs on their daily wear proudly announcing to all and sundry they were an eagle or leopard mom.

Hassan Sheekh Mohamed calls them "Abu Cubeyda." I can write a BOOK on why this is highly problematic and in fact downright inexplicably stupid purely from the Somali national spirit point of view.

And why did he do it? Because probably something like Sahan Africa told him this was a way to "co-opt" the fact the Shabaab ammiyaat names their squads Abu Cuteyba. And where did they get the idea successfully overcoming Shabaab is through "co-opting" as opposed to PRESENTING A DIFFERENT CHOICE/IMAGINATION MORE IN TUNE TO SOMALI SPIRIT? Because some other feedback loop just thought it up and labeled the "must" try new strategy--

---all of this synergy disparate and even alien to the raw, human, organic pulse of the people who are the central characters in the is particular universe.

Hassan Sheekh named a Somali national army brigade "Abu Cubeyda" because he is fantastically devoid of Authenticity.

Do you see Somali children play acting "Abu Cubeyda" brigade? Do you see gregorious mothers come to life as "Abu Cubeyda" moms??

The fact that he named a national Somali army brigade "Abu Cubeyda" is why he has been deemed worthless by the Somali imagination.

Because what we don't consider "Authentic" ----we consider it "Worthless."
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Re: AMISOM can be in Somalia for another 100 years and it will fall to Shabaab the second they move out.

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Gubbet wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 3:53 am
AbkoowDhiblaawe wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:50 am Yet this gov trained

Guutada 22aad iyo guutada 23aad. ( Policia militar)
Guutada 24aad Khaliid Binu waliid
Guutada 25aad Omar Binu Khadaab
Guutada 26aad Ali Ibn Taalib
Guutada 27aad Abubakar al Sadiiq
Guutada 28aad Abu Cubeyda

10 500 soldiers in total. In less than 15 months.

Sh Shariif started this war against Al shabab and Birmade Hassan sheikh will finish the job. Look at how security improved after NN in Mogadishu.

The perfect encapsulation of the "Authencity Gap" if one were looking for it.

Farmaajo named his soldiers to brigades called Gorgor (Eagles), Haramcad (Cheetah, some Leopard)..., every child in Somalia playacted national soldier, mothers proudly put eagle and leopard motifs on their daily wear proudly announcing to all and sundry they were an eagle or leopard mom.

Hassan Sheekh Mohamed calls them "Abu Cubeyda." I can write a BOOK on why this is highly problematic and in fact downright inexplicably stupid purely from the Somali national spirit point of view.

And why did he do it? Because probably something like Sahan Africa told him this was a way to "co-opt" the fact the Shabaab ammiyaat names their squads Abu Cuteyba. And where did they get the idea successfully overcoming Shabaab is through "co-opting" as opposed to PRESENTING A DIFFERENT CHOICE/IMAGINATION MORE IN TUNE TO SOMALI SPIRIT? Because some other feedback loop just thought it up and labeled the "must" try new strategy--

---all of this synergy disparate and even alien to the raw, human, organic pulse of the people who are the central characters in the is particular universe.

Hassan Sheekh named a Somali national army brigade "Abu Cubeyda" because he is fantastically devoid of Authenticity.

Do you see Somali children play acting "Abu Cubeyda" brigade? Do you see gregorious mothers come to life as "Abu Cubeyda" moms??

The fact that he named a national Somali army brigade "Abu Cubeyda" is why he has been deemed worthless by the Somali imagination.

Because what we don't consider "Authentic" ----we consider it "Worthless."
For the first time Somali SNA are carrying out offensives alone on ground. Speaks volyme honestly.

As for the names. I think it's fantastic. This is an ideological war. Al Shabab claims to be fight for Islam. How are they telling shacabka they're fighting Murtadeen when they are facing guytoyinka Ali Ibn Taalib, Abu cubeyda, Omar Binu Khadaab, Abubakar Al sadiiq etc.

Btw Ceelbuur offensive just started. :clap:
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Remember you are not the variable for judging HSM's relevance, you are the control group. You are expected to stay part of HSM's negligible share of the Somali support base and in fact only if your support were to end up decreasing will it factor in as an escalated loss of support more than even expected. It is those cheetah and eagle moms and families that are the benchmark.
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Gubbet wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:15 am Remember you are not the variable for judging HSM's relevance, you are the control group. You are expected to stay part of HSM's negligible share of the Somali support base and in fact only if your support were to end up decreasing will it factor in as an escalated loss of support more than even expected. It is those cheetah and eagle moms and families that are the benchmark.
Hawiye moms and families are all pro HSM. Dhulkooda bu Shabab ka saaraya. Ninkii khawaarij rabo inuu la dagaalamo waala garabsiina. Kii aan rabin ha iska qeylqeloyo this country will move forward.
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Those "Hawiye" moms are my moms and their families are my families.
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Gubbet wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 10:59 am Those "Hawiye" moms are my moms and their families are my families.
You should be positive of the liberation efforts markaas sxb. :mrgreen:
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Gubbet wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 10:59 am Those "Hawiye" moms are my moms and their families are my families.
Ustaad Voltage, what r u going tell us next? isaaq moms are your moms and their families your families? C'mon man!
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barbarossa wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:41 am
Gubbet wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 10:59 am Those "Hawiye" moms are my moms and their families are my families.
Ustaad Voltage, what r u going tell us next? isaaq moms are your moms and their families your families? C'mon man!
Yes, they are.
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There are a millions reasons to hate HSM but naming Guutos after renowned Saxaaba should not only not be hated but applauded. Abu Bakr, Omar, Abu Obaoda, etc are heros
Of Islam we should teach our children. Full stop.


The reason why I think HSM will fail in this and everything is because he’s not a leader, and he’s the worst possible leader for Somali cohesion and trust. Somalia’s biggest problem is lack of trust amongst each other and under HSM it skyrocketed. The only reason why Non HSM minions in the Government don’t speak about it is considering how corrupt, foodo this Gov is there is money to be stolen for everyone in this called Gov regardless of qabil.
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Murax wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 8:15 am There are a millions reasons to hate HSM but naming Guutos after renowned Saxaaba should not only not be hated but applauded. Abu Bakr, Omar, Abu Obaoda, etc are heros
Of Islam we should teach our children. Full stop.


The reason why I think HSM will fail in this and everything is because he’s not a leader, and he’s the worst possible leader for Somali cohesion and trust. Somalia’s biggest problem is lack of trust amongst each other and under HSM it skyrocketed. The only reason why Non HSM minions in the Government don’t speak about it is considering how corrupt, foodo this Gov is there is money to be stolen for everyone in this called Gov regardless of qabil.

He’s SYL. Never NN. Therefore an 🐀
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Murax wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 8:15 am There are a millions reasons to hate HSM but naming Guutos after renowned Saxaaba should not only not be hated but applauded. Abu Bakr, Omar, Abu Obaoda, etc are heros
Of Islam we should teach our children. Full stop.

No brother, you are wrong and I fundamentally DISAGREE.

There should be no BUSINESS naming Somali national army regiments after religious figures.

It is HIGHLY problematic and is dangerous to both society's culture and/or spirituality.

THERE SHOULD BE ZERO ("0") BUSINESS NAMING SOMALI ARMY REGIMENTS AFTER RELIGIOUS INSPIRATION.


THEY ARE NOT SOLDIERS OF GOD. THEY ARE SOLDIERS OF MAN.

SOLDIERS NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND BE BOUNDED TO THE SERVICE OF MAN. ANYTHING GIVING THEM MORAL OR SPIRITUAL ENSHRINEMENT IS DANGEROUS IN THE EXTREME TO THE EXTENUATING REQUIREMENT OF KEEPING THEM BOUNDED TO PUBLIC SERVICE.

YOU DO NOT GIVE ANY WALKING MAN OF THE STREET A GUN AND RELIGIOUS ANOINTMENT TO KILL.

NAMING THEM AFTER SAHABA DISHONERS BOTH SAHABA AND MAN'S MORAL INSPIRATION.
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