Update on Sep 13 2023: Khatumo state is heading towards becoming the latest Federal state together with Hiraan state

[KacdoonSool]

I just spoke to the Federal Mps I personally Know from the SSC region. It looks very positive for Khatumo the Federal President has agreed to allow it as a new Federal state in return for a Hiraan State. Xawaadle does not want to be part of a Abgaal dominated state. There is going to be a new Darod state and a new Hawiye state. The two region rule is going to be changed in a very short time.

Congratulation to the people of Sool


The Khaatumo government controls the area is claims and Puntland supports the new mamuul. Xaawaalde is also the heart of the armed struggle to defeat Al Shabab and they demand their own federal state immediately

Garad Jamac is on a tour in Ethiopia in the moment, Somaliland's closest ally seems to give a warm welcome to a man who was the brain behind its destruktion.

as of Sep 13, Somaliland is paralyzed. Military, politically. Diplomatic.

[original dervish]

Tremendous news.
A lot of people have sacrificed their lives to reach this point.

We must build a federal state that reflects the honour, dignity and nobility of the Dhulbahante people.

The Hiiraan angle is absolutely perfect.
The federal states will remain in equilibrium.

Khatumo is close to being a reality.

[Theprodigy]

Tremendous news.
A lot of people have sacrificed their lives to reach this point.

We must build a federal state that reflects the honour, dignity and nobility of the Dhulbahante people.

The Hiiraan angle is absolutely perfect.
The federal states will remain in equilibrium.

Khatumo is close to being a reality.

What do you think will happen to the abgals? Surely such a clan won’t be left in limbo

[original dervish]

Why would they be left in limbo?
The Abgaals have their province, towns and cities.
They may decide to merge with Banadir, or go it alone.
The point is people should have the right to local rule if they choose it.

[SadSayyid]

I remember when PM Barre brought up federalism and compared Somalia to American federalism. Somalis should actually learn what federalism is and agree to that first or we'll just be kicking the problem down the road like it did in America.

I'm against Khatumo State. I think SSC should seek an arrangement with Puntland where their state (clan) borders are accepted and have their share of foreign aid given to them directly. Putting yourself under Xamar to me is akin to putting on dirty clothes after you've had a shower.

[original dervish]

We have problems with hsm......not with Xamar being the political capital of Somalia.

We are seeking federal member state status......not an independent state.

[Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE]

I remember when PM Barre brought up federalism and compared Somalia to American federalism. Somalis should actually learn what federalism is and agree to that first or we'll just be kicking the problem down the road like it did in America.

I'm against Khatumo State. I think SSC should seek an arrangement with Puntland where their state (clan) borders are accepted and have their share of foreign aid given to them directly. Putting yourself under Xamar to me is akin to putting on dirty clothes after you've had a shower.

Shut up….xaasidyahow sheegatoda ah ..reer SSC waala aqoonsan…waa qasab iyo san duli …

[skywalker25]

Kacsool,

Did you wake up after this dream and then start your day.

Dhulbahnte you’ve never been the brightest tool. So understanding politics and winning requires more than begging, something you’ve been good at lately. You’ve used the PL vs SL card for a long time but Muse made sure he burnt you and the bridge required for you to utilise that card. Deni and Muse between them played a winner takes all game were you lose one of your benefactor.

Now you want to run away to Xamar. Why would Xamar grant you a seat at the table. Why would Deni allow his spoils to be taken. Politics is a complicated business. It’s not like picking a gun and killing. And southern politics is cut throat. You have more chances of joining the United Kingdom than having a federal state with 50% of Sool. What are your leaders smoking. You are owned by Puntland today. Nothing more nothing less. Imagine they give you federal state, the most troublesome, Tribalist of all Somalis. Someone who’s unable to eat at the table with nobody. What then for the xawadle, for the boons of Galmudug or the .5’s.

Delusional on a grand scale.

OD you should learn the art of politics from either your unethical MJ brothers or your next door neighbour the Wiley Fox. See how we have climbed up the greasy ladder of politics.

[SadSayyid]

We have problems with hsm......not with Xamar being the political capital of Somalia.

We are seeking federal member state status......not an independent state.

You can't fix Somalia with band-aid solutions. I have no problem with Dhulbahante being their own state. If we pushed for a Swiss style federalism where head of state didn't matter as its rotational and every clan made their own canton/state then that'd be something. What we have instead is a frankensteins monster.

SWS want language federalism where intra-riverine are in 1 state (HDM, 1940s). Hiiraan want pre-1969 8 state borders. HAG want to inherit centralism built under MSB. MJ push for clan federalism. Federalism was meant to help Somali state building but it feels like we're going backwards. We first need to agree on what type of federalism we want.

[SadSayyid]

Shut up….xaasidyahow sheegatoda ah ..reer SSC waala aqoonsan…waa qasab iyo san duli …

MJ are actively pushing for SSC as a second Harti state is in their interest. There's no Araanjaan to stop it like there was when Sheikh Sharif wanted to make it but was blocked by Faroole and then later Gaas. I'm not anti-SSC but anti-status quo. A new federal state isn't going to achieve anything for Darod or Somalia in general.

You have political commentators like Abdikadir Boss calling out MX as being anti-SSC is apparently what MX are doing like Dabcasar as if Dhulbahante are independent and supported by MJ then there's no need for a MX to be in Xamar. Me being anti Khatumo state doesn't mean anything.

[Gubbet]

Shut up….xaasidyahow sheegatoda ah ..reer SSC waala aqoonsan…waa qasab iyo san duli …

MJ are actively pushing for SSC as a second Harti state is in their interest. There's no Araanjaan to stop it like there was when Sheikh Sharif wanted to make it but was blocked by Faroole and then later Gaas. I'm not anti-SSC but anti-status quo. A new federal state isn't going to achieve anything for Darod or Somalia in general.

You have political commentators like Abdikadir Boss calling out MX as being anti-SSC is apparently what MX are doing like Dabcasar as if Dhulbahante are independent and supported by MJ then there's no need for a MX to be in Xamar. Me being anti Khatumo state doesn't mean anything.

This very "" statement" is Aaranjaan. L-I-T-E-R-A-L-L-Y. It IS " AaranJaan. "

This is what you did;

.
1. Majerten is the one that naturally supports SSC, Marehan is the one with reservations about it.
2. Being Harti= Shared "POLITICAL" disposition
3. Another Harti Federal State dilutes Marehan in Mogadishu politics
4. You are anti-Khatumo but that is not why you have this perspective

For bonus, use a Hawiye shock jock who is known to have been "paid" to do isku dir between MX and DH.

Now let us turn this around to the reality;

1. Majerten is the one that does not naturally support an SSC state even if they are resigned to accepting it due to what happened. Marehan has never even needed to convince themselves of supporting SSC. We are 100% of the decision Dhulbahante make for themselves.
2. I don't know about the distant past, but the Marehan political position should not even be called "Marehan" position. It should be called "Marehan-Dhulbahante" political position. It is not even an aliiance, it is not a coalition. MAREHAN AND DHULBAHANTE HAVE THE SAME MIND--LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY. They have the same position on practically EVERYTHING in Somali politics for the SAME reasons. It is "Harti" which has to compete with the fact Majeerteen and Dhulbahante do NOT complement each other in political outlook. In fact, it is the case "Harti" between Dhulbahante and Majerten is a COMPARATIVE ADVANTAGE for Majerten while the natural political disposition of Dhulbahante shared with Marehan is a COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE for Marehan. You can see this in Dhullo as Kacan as CBB as .
3. It is even sadly the case both originally as well as now the very basis of a Majerten opposing SSC is directly linked to "monopolization" of Harti "apportionment" in anything based in "Xamar" (Harti MPS control, voting power, aid apportioned, etc)."Mogadishu" is practically IRRELEVANT to any between Marehan and Dhulbahante. Their equities are PARALLEL, NOT PERPENDICULAR as it is within Harti.
4. You are anti-Khatumo probably because of these reasons.


For bonus, I am saying this as someone who without a question or a doubt is a defender of Marehan equity.

It is obvious you are Majerten, abti.

P.S. This post isn't anti-Majerten nor implying Majerten are anti-SSC, it merely sets the record contextualizing even why you posted what you did. Everybody understands Majerten is displaying selflessness when it comes to SSC as they should be as should we all in such a circumstance. You owe it to your brother unless you are his enemy and Majerten is obviously not Dhulbahante's enemy. You should think about what this means,---Starkast.

[original dervish]

Shut up….xaasidyahow sheegatoda ah ..reer SSC waala aqoonsan…waa qasab iyo san duli …

MJ are actively pushing for SSC as a second Harti state is in their interest. There's no Araanjaan to stop it like there was when Sheikh Sharif wanted to make it but was blocked by Faroole and then later Gaas. I'm not anti-SSC but anti-status quo. A new federal state isn't going to achieve anything for Darod or Somalia in general.

You have political commentators like Abdikadir Boss calling out MX as being anti-SSC is apparently what MX are doing like Dabcasar as if Dhulbahante are independent and supported by MJ then there's no need for a MX to be in Xamar. Me being anti Khatumo state doesn't mean anything.

This very "" statement" is Aaranjaan. L-I-T-E-R-A-L-L-Y. It IS " AaranJaan. "

This is what you did;

.
1. Majerten is the one that naturally supports SSC, Marehan is the one with reservations about it.
2. Being Harti= Shared "POLITICAL" disposition
3. Another Harti Federal State dilutes Marehan in Mogadishu politics
4. You are anti-Khatumo but that is not why you have this perspective

For bonus, use a Hawiye shock jock who is known to have been "paid" to do isku dir between MX and DH.

Now let us turn this around to the reality;

1. Majerten is the one that does not naturally support an SSC state even if they are resigned to accepting it due to what happened. Marehan has never even needed to convince themselves of supporting SSC. We are 100% of the decision Dhulbahante make for themselves.
2. I don't know about the distant past, but the Marehan political position should not even be called "Marehan" position. It should be called "Marehan-Dhulbahante" political position. It is not even an aliiance, it is not a coalition. MAREHAN AND DHULBAHANTE HAVE THE SAME MIND--LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY. They have the same position on practically EVERYTHING in Somali politics for the SAME reasons. It is "Harti" which has to compete with the fact Majeerteen and Dhulbahante do NOT complement each other in political outlook. In fact, it is the case "Harti" between Dhulbahante and Majerten is a COMPARATIVE ADVANTAGE for Majerten while the natural political disposition of Dhulbahante shared with Marehan is a COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE for Marehan. You can see this in Dhullo as Kacan as CBB as .
3. It is even sadly the case both originally as well as now the very basis of a Majerten opposing SSC is directly linked to "monopolization" of Harti "apportionment" in anything based in "Xamar" (Harti MPS control, voting power, aid apportioned, etc)."Mogadishu" is practically IRRELEVANT to any between Marehan and Dhulbahante. Their equities are PARALLEL, NOT PERPENDICULAR as it is within Harti.
4. You are anti-Khatumo probably because of these reasons.


For bonus, I am saying this as someone who without a question or a doubt is a defender of Marehan equity.

It is obvious you are Majerten, abti.

P.S. This post isn't anti-Majerten nor implying Majerten are anti-SSC, it merely sets the record contextualizing even why you posted what you did. Everybody understands Majerten is displaying selflessness when it comes to SSC as they should be as should we all in such a circumstance. You owe it to your brother unless you are his enemy and Majerten is obviously not Dhulbahante's enemy. You should think about what this means,---Starkast.

[SadSayyid]

This very "" statement" is Aaranjaan. L-I-T-E-R-A-L-L-Y. It IS " AaranJaan. "

This is what you did;

.
1. Majerten is the one that naturally supports SSC, Marehan is the one with reservations about it.
2. Being Harti= Shared "POLITICAL" disposition
3. Another Harti Federal State dilutes Marehan in Mogadishu politics
4. You are anti-Khatumo but that is not why you have this perspective

For bonus, use a Hawiye shock jock who is known to have been "paid" to do isku dir between MX and DH.

Now let us turn this around to the reality;

1. Majerten is the one that does not naturally support an SSC state even if they are resigned to accepting it due to what happened. Marehan has never even needed to convince themselves of supporting SSC. We are 100% of the decision Dhulbahante make for themselves.
2. I don't know about the distant past, but the Marehan political position should not even be called "Marehan" position. It should be called "Marehan-Dhulbahante" political position. It is not even an aliiance, it is not a coalition. MAREHAN AND DHULBAHANTE HAVE THE SAME MIND--LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY. They have the same position on practically EVERYTHING in Somali politics for the SAME reasons. It is "Harti" which has to compete with the fact Majeerteen and Dhulbahante do NOT complement each other in political outlook. In fact, it is the case "Harti" between Dhulbahante and Majerten is a COMPARATIVE ADVANTAGE for Majerten while the natural political disposition of Dhulbahante shared with Marehan is a COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE for Marehan. You can see this in Dhullo as Kacan as CBB as .
3. It is even sadly the case both originally as well as now the very basis of a Majerten opposing SSC is directly linked to "monopolization" of Harti "apportionment" in anything based in "Xamar" (Harti MPS control, voting power, aid apportioned, etc)."Mogadishu" is practically IRRELEVANT to any between Marehan and Dhulbahante. Their equities are PARALLEL, NOT PERPENDICULAR as it is within Harti.
4. You are anti-Khatumo probably because of these reasons.


For bonus, I am saying this as someone who without a question or a doubt is a defender of Marehan equity.

It is obvious you are Majerten, abti.

P.S. This post isn't anti-Majerten nor implying Majerten are anti-SSC, it merely sets the record contextualizing even why you posted what you did. Everybody understands Majerten is displaying selflessness when it comes to SSC as they should be as should we all in such a circumstance. You owe it to your brother unless you are his enemy and Majerten is obviously not Dhulbahante's enemy. You should think about what this means,---abti.

Brother Gubbet I thought we already went through this

I have no problem proving my identity, I went to great lengths in pms and gave you my abtirsi. I honestly don't know how with the information I gave you you still think I'm Majerteen. Did you think I made everything up?

I think the issue we have here is that we have very different political ideologies. I said a few days "I disagree heavily with Ahmed Madobe but we need Jubaland, however wrongly it is set up today." You made a thread today stating how Reer Siyaad was going to war.

I didn't know Abdikadir Boss was paid to say those things, I took what he said at face value. I'll be more careful in future.

Aaranjaan is despised in Puntland for their actions during this war. My Harti equity point I got from Kaptan Ayub. What Faroole didn't want was there to be any chance of a Waqooyi Darod position thereby eliminating MJ in Darod powersharing. Given the bad blood that's happened Dhulbahante and Isaaq will never share a state again. There's no reason for me to be anti-Khatumo statehood because of "I'm MJ". Aaranjaan was sabotaging Dhulbahante out of their elites pro-Isaaq sentiment/Mogadishu money. No MJ is pro-Isaaq. MJ would be pro Khatumo/SSC as that fits into their ideology of clan federalism. My position is that instead of creating SSC and further pursuing clan federalism they should fix Puntland.

I think the reason you view me as MJ is because I see MX interests locally and nationally very different from you. I'm very pro Harti and pro Darod. I would pursue a hard border on the Tomesselli line and form a Northern Darod state with Harti. Down south I'd push for 1926 borders in Jubaland and form another Darod state there. Marehan are busy seeking economic and political relationships where we should be seeking reconciliation between ourselves and other Darod clans. During the last elections instead of offering an alternative to Ahmed Madobes Jubaland we had Galmudug flags being displayed in Garbaharey's voting hall.

Look at how we differ. https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 9&t=410171 You stake a claim to Luuq and Bardera due to demographics and then say we should conquer Kismaayo. We should be joining Konfuur Galbeed with Luuq and Bardera while they're too weak to physically claim them. Everything below Bardera I don't care about. I do not care about the farmland we "acquired" during the civil war its more trouble than its worth. We should be pushing for reconciliation with MJ in Kismaayo and we should (bar Talha) stop claiming Ogaden/Tuuni/D&M grazing territory.

Lakum deenukum waliya deen
To you be your religion, and to me mine.

We don't have to agree walaal. Practice your Reer Siyaadnimo, Marehanimo ama Daaroodnimo how you see it and I'll do the same.

[Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE]

Shut up….xaasidyahow sheegatoda ah ..reer SSC waala aqoonsan…waa qasab iyo san duli …

MJ are actively pushing for SSC as a second Harti state is in their interest. There's no Araanjaan to stop it like there was when Sheikh Sharif wanted to make it but was blocked by Faroole and then later Gaas. I'm not anti-SSC but anti-status quo. A new federal state isn't going to achieve anything for Darod or Somalia in general.

You have political commentators like Abdikadir Boss calling out MX as being anti-SSC is apparently what MX are doing like Dabcasar as if Dhulbahante are independent and supported by MJ then there's no need for a MX to be in Xamar. Me being anti Khatumo state doesn't mean anything.

Dabacasar..used to be my dugsi teacher ..I know that money loving man ciidi lacag siiso unbu amaana …and the other guy Waa dira diraale..I watched his lame isku dir dir video 5 months ago…cida shegaynasid xita waxba kama ogid..maxaa xamar mesha keenay ..ninki ladoor unban taga. If pl supports ssc..then maxaa ula rabata inay pl hoos yimaadaan…war orod isxabaal sheegatayohow.

[Gubbet]

This very "" statement" is Aaranjaan. L-I-T-E-R-A-L-L-Y. It IS " AaranJaan. "

This is what you did;

.
1. Majerten is the one that naturally supports SSC, Marehan is the one with reservations about it.
2. Being Harti= Shared "POLITICAL" disposition
3. Another Harti Federal State dilutes Marehan in Mogadishu politics
4. You are anti-Khatumo but that is not why you have this perspective

For bonus, use a Hawiye shock jock who is known to have been "paid" to do isku dir between MX and DH.

Now let us turn this around to the reality;

1. Majerten is the one that does not naturally support an SSC state even if they are resigned to accepting it due to what happened. Marehan has never even needed to convince themselves of supporting SSC. We are 100% of the decision Dhulbahante make for themselves.
2. I don't know about the distant past, but the Marehan political position should not even be called "Marehan" position. It should be called "Marehan-Dhulbahante" political position. It is not even an aliiance, it is not a coalition. MAREHAN AND DHULBAHANTE HAVE THE SAME MIND--LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY. They have the same position on practically EVERYTHING in Somali politics for the SAME reasons. It is "Harti" which has to compete with the fact Majeerteen and Dhulbahante do NOT complement each other in political outlook. In fact, it is the case "Harti" between Dhulbahante and Majerten is a COMPARATIVE ADVANTAGE for Majerten while the natural political disposition of Dhulbahante shared with Marehan is a COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE for Marehan. You can see this in Dhullo as Kacan as CBB as .
3. It is even sadly the case both originally as well as now the very basis of a Majerten opposing SSC is directly linked to "monopolization" of Harti "apportionment" in anything based in "Xamar" (Harti MPS control, voting power, aid apportioned, etc)."Mogadishu" is practically IRRELEVANT to any between Marehan and Dhulbahante. Their equities are PARALLEL, NOT PERPENDICULAR as it is within Harti.
4. You are anti-Khatumo probably because of these reasons.


For bonus, I am saying this as someone who without a question or a doubt is a defender of Marehan equity.

It is obvious you are Majerten, abti.

P.S. This post isn't anti-Majerten nor implying Majerten are anti-SSC, it merely sets the record contextualizing even why you posted what you did. Everybody understands Majerten is displaying selflessness when it comes to SSC as they should be as should we all in such a circumstance. You owe it to your brother unless you are his enemy and Majerten is obviously not Dhulbahante's enemy. You should think about what this means,---abti.

Brother Gubbet I thought we already went through this

I have no problem proving my identity, I went to great lengths in pms and gave you my abtirsi. I honestly don't know how with the information I gave you you still think I'm Majerteen. Did you think I made everything up?

I think the issue we have here is that we have very different political ideologies. I said a few days "I disagree heavily with Ahmed Madobe but we need Jubaland, however wrongly it is set up today." You made a thread today stating how Reer Siyaad was going to war.

I didn't know Abdikadir Boss was paid to say those things, I took what he said at face value. I'll be more careful in future.

Aaranjaan is despised in Puntland for their actions during this war. My Harti equity point I got from Kaptan Ayub. What Faroole didn't want was there to be any chance of a Waqooyi Darod position thereby eliminating MJ in Darod powersharing. Given the bad blood that's happened Dhulbahante and Isaaq will never share a state again. There's no reason for me to be anti-Khatumo statehood because of "I'm MJ". Aaranjaan was sabotaging Dhulbahante out of their elites pro-Isaaq sentiment/Mogadishu money. No MJ is pro-Isaaq. MJ would be pro Khatumo/SSC as that fits into their ideology of clan federalism. My position is that instead of creating SSC and further pursuing clan federalism they should fix Puntland.

I think the reason you view me as MJ is because I see MX interests locally and nationally very different from you. I'm very pro Harti and pro Darod. I would pursue a hard border on the Tomesselli line and form a Northern Darod state with Harti. Down south I'd push for 1926 borders in Jubaland and form another Darod state there. Marehan are busy seeking economic and political relationships where we should be seeking reconciliation between ourselves and other Darod clans. During the last elections instead of offering an alternative to Ahmed Madobes Jubaland we had Galmudug flags being displayed in Garbaharey's voting hall.

Look at how we differ. https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 9&t=410171 You stake a claim to Luuq and Bardera due to demographics and then say we should conquer Kismaayo. We should be joining Konfuur Galbeed with Luuq and Bardera while they're too weak to physically claim them. Everything below Bardera I don't care about. I do not care about the farmland we "acquired" during the civil war its more trouble than its worth. We should be pushing for reconciliation with MJ in Kismaayo and we should (bar Talha) stop claiming Ogaden/Tuuni/D&M grazing territory.

Lakum deenukum waliya deen
To you be your religion, and to me mine.

We don't have to agree walaal. Practice your Reer Siyaadnimo, Marehanimo ama Daaroodnimo how you see it and I'll do the same.

You are wasting my time sxb. Everything you just said is so laughingly comical that I have the feeling you may even be chuckling being such a parody.

And btw no, everything you said is exactly what a young SSDFian, not just Majertian, but an SSDFian (aka Aaran Jaan without the name) with very close familiar relations with Marehan would say.

You condensed everything about what matters to Marehan to the small middle in the ven diagram or basically what MAJEERTEEN CAN BE IMPLICATED ABOUT MX AFFAIRS (HW vs Darod line, Kismaayo, something about Darood 1925 Jubba line).

If you want me to describe for you what is problematic about your entire vantage point (something about "give" Bardhere and Luuq to Southwest and "invading" Kismaayo) it just tells me you probably know Marehan even LESS than the usual non-MX with close relationship. Your understanding of Marehan is not even "natural," it is alian but aware.


Please read the gentleman's post I responded to and give an honest feedback. Does that sound like a Marehan person?