I think HJ has the same size as Harti

[KacdoonSool]

I think with my estimations that Dulbahante has the same size as Soolmodow one HJ sub-clan. I think the entire Harti including Majeetein has the same poulation as HJ. The Isaaq are not langaab clan they are big time cowards who dont know how to put up a fight, but they are not a small clan. Anyone who says DH has the same people as HJ is just doing faan. DH used to big but most died during the Dervish wars. They are today a langaab a brave langaab but still a langaab.

[skywalker25]

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[original dervish]

This is irrelevant.....we are not contesting an election with iidoors. We are fighting a war against them.
In this regard, quality is far better measure than quantity.

There is no benefit in having huge impoverished populations. Unable to provide basic services, the youth make tahrib every year in their thousands.

Dhulbahante have a huge fertile land, and immense resources. We will establish farms and local industries.

[theyuusuf143]

We actually don't Pay attention to our numbers, all we know is we are very visible clan in our environment , due to our exceptional unity , smartness, competency and courage. Hadii ilaahay dib Intuu ii abuuro somali isaaqa iga dhigi lahaa I would still prefer to be habarjeclo. Tolniimada la sheegaa muwaafaqada kama soo hadho.

[original dervish]

Your confusing us with someone whom gives a damn.
Good for you.....be iidoors all together forever and ever.

We only concern ourselves with our development , security and prosperity. Anything else is not important to us.

[Gubbet]

Hopefully you and Yusuf find the strength and WISDOM to come to an understanding and quickly (because it is fading before new grievances start a new cycle) about how you are going to coexist as neighbors before you find yourself like Marehan and Habar Gidir condemned to perpetual unending cycle of retribution where communities are being displaced from entire settlements and/or children sleeping harmlessly in a sanctuary like a dugsi are legitimately premeditated targets for slaughter.

Ironically, in two very important warnings both back in February I spoke to Yusuf providing a warning from experience. I wonder if he recalls these two addresses using me as "Reer Siyaad" and not even Darod or Marehan or even Reer Faarax Ugaas and not even Reer Diini and similarly "Reer Ayaanle" and not even Hawiye or Hiraab or Habar Gidir or Cayr even;

I am MX/Rer Diini/Rer Siyaad still at war with that HG/Cayr/Rer Ayaanle in a battlefield between Balanbale and Guriceel only left to us as Rer Siyaad and Rer Ayaanle long after Darood vs Hawiye and even MX vs HG have moved on to die down as active hostilities.

I would love it to be unremarkable that they can go, visit, build business, just be there if wanted and even live in Balanbale and I could vice verse for a Rer Siyaad to Guriceel. I would love to have achieved peace with that Rer Ayaanle as you guys had done with your neighbors.

You had something beautiful, profound, worth more than weight in gold, silver, and diamonds.

Muuse destroyed something very precious and though I don't expect you to truly even understand it now, I know you will in the future.

And

Cayr/Rer Ayaanle waa aabahay reer Ayeeydiis. Reer Siyaad Diinigi aabahay awoowgiis beriguu i le'ekaa iyo Reer Ayaanlaha isku ood ayeey ahaayeen oo xataa guga kolkii la'aado carro Mareexaan iyo dhankaa Shilaabood Reer Ayaanle way na raaci jireen cid kaloo Mareexaan aan dan iyo muraad ka lahayn.

Maantana Balanbale inay nala degaan iska dhaafe---xariiqa u dhaxeeya Balanbale iyo Guriceel haduu ratti sumadooda leh docdeena u tilaabsado dhac baad sheegtaye isla bartuu rattigaas ka tilaabsaday ayuu ku dooxaya keena ugu horeeyo oo rattigaas gacanta ku dhiga. In aan ba dhacno baa lexejecla ula dhiganta cidaan ka dhashay ee maantadan nool.

Miidnaan gaarin heerkaas lakin walle iyo bille waad ku socatiin saa rati walba kan horeeyey saanqaadkiisa ayuu leeyahay inagaane idin ka horeeynee.

Soomaali tusaalo uma dhinnee iyagaa doorbidday ineey gacanmahoodu isku halaagaan.

Hopefully your future is different.

[theyuusuf143]

Habarjeclo/isaaq and dhulbahante conflict over the governing of dhulbahante land in eastern sool and buuhoodle is over. I can't prevent other types of conflicts , that requires collective responsibilities. All I am sure Is it's not in our best interest to govern dhulbahante. We are not even interested to recreate a culture of "sii soco soo soco" or encourage reintegration between us socially or politically. We should have a clear border with only one or two entry and exit points . All isaaq forces will be distributed along This line , for the security of our isaaq state . The ship has sailed.

[original dervish]

I support these proposals by TheYusef.
It is now time for separation......for the foreseeable future.

The only problem is the iidoor leadership and extremist iidoors. They still harbour fantasies about conquering Dhulbahante, and seizing our vast lands.

[Gubbet]

Habarjeclo/isaaq and dhulbahante conflict over the governing of dhulbahante land in eastern sool and buuhoodle is over. I can't prevent other types of conflicts , that requires collective responsibilities. All I am sure Is it's not in our best interest to govern dhulbahante. We are not even interested to recreate a culture of "sii soco soo soco" or encourage reintegration between us socially or politically. We should have a clear border with only one or two entry and exit points . All isaaq forces will be distributed along This line , for the security of our isaaq state . The ship has sailed.

It's tragic. I sense grief, loss, sadness, profound angst. But Yusuf if you ever become empathetic enough (it is not bravery or courage, but really just empathy) to live authentically in full honesty with complete truth enough to recognize it was you on a hill lobbying shells at civilians of Las Anod, not OD on a hill lobbying shells at civilians of Burco and internalize the scope of that image's meaning, perhaps the centrality of loss in your worldview will naturally give way to the centrality of atonement that should be to any world view implicated in that paradigm. And atonement is always the catalyst to the restorative process of REDEMPTION.

REDEMPTION is the closest---the very closest---we humans can ever get back to the state of being disrupted by trial and tribulation.

You have always struck me as profoundly capable of this level of human depth/metamorphosis of the great numbers of many I have come across here.

Out of Upheaval; Resurrection.

[original dervish]

Admirable sentiments indeed from Gubbet.....very profound.

However, the iidoors are in a state of flux. Too many of their number refuse to accept that they have been utterly defeated by Dhulbahante .

They still cling on to the hope their oppressive rule can be reestablished in Lascaanood by force of arms.

Tyrant Bixi, HSM and Djiboutienne dictator IOG have been meeting to plan a re-invaison of Sool. Weapons, equipment and mercenaries have all been paid for.
It's only a matter of time before war is reignited.

The Dhulbahnte have already taken oaths out, that if the iidoor attack.....we will not stop until we enter Hargeisa.

[theyuusuf143]

Habarjeclo/isaaq and dhulbahante conflict over the governing of dhulbahante land in eastern sool and buuhoodle is over. I can't prevent other types of conflicts , that requires collective responsibilities. All I am sure Is it's not in our best interest to govern dhulbahante. We are not even interested to recreate a culture of "sii soco soo soco" or encourage reintegration between us socially or politically. We should have a clear border with only one or two entry and exit points . All isaaq forces will be distributed along This line , for the security of our isaaq state . The ship has sailed.

It's tragic. I sense grief, loss, sadness, profound angst. But Yusuf if you ever become empathetic enough (it is not bravery or courage, but really just empathy) to live authentically in full honesty with complete truth enough to recognize it was you on a hill lobbying shells at civilians of Las Anod, not OD on a hill lobbying shells at civilians of Burco and internalize the scope of that image's meaning, perhaps the centrality of loss in your worldview will naturally give way to the centrality of atonement that should be to any world view implicated in that paradigm. And atonement is always the catalyst to the restorative process of REDEMPTION.

REDEMPTION is the closest---the very closest---we humans can ever get back to the state of being disrupted by trial and tribulation.

You have always struck me as profoundly capable of this level of human depth/metamorphosis of the great numbers of many I have come across here.

Out of Upheaval; Resurrection.

We did what ever we did on purpose, it was not an option to leave peacefully. I believe muuse restrained to let the army shell that place to the ground , instead they were sitting there chewing khat thinking like that dhulbahante are their good citizens.

This confusion is what led our forces to loose that war. Never again. I don't understand what you are suggesting here. But The only thing we can do now is isaaq and dhulbahante to go their separate ways. No compensation no , grievances, no future reconciliation or redemption. We are two distinctive clans with completely different ideologies.

[Gubbet]

I support these proposals by TheYusef.
It is now time for separation......for the foreseeable future.

The only problem is the iidoor leadership and extremist iidoors. They still harbour fantasies about conquering Dhulbahante, and seizing our vast lands.

I am going to use our Isaaq brothers on this forum regarding Las Anod as an example to make a point. Don't ask who is who unless I name them specifically

1. Will most likely never change, doesn't understand what his side did and will never understand your side. To him life is meant to be lived as a caveman, it is possible there is a cognitive impediment. He is meant to be defeated and off your merry way. Decapitation if you ever face each other in belligerence, off your merry way. Ka nabad geli meysid.

2. Probably life long negative state of relationships, is not necessarily further physical or structural nemesis, but psychologically debilitating negativity that both of you are best moving on with complete segregation, nothing to do with each other. He will always dislike you and it is best you know and since you both want nothing to do with each other, make sure you are never why you come across each other. Waad ka nabad geli.

3. Will be a direct, malevolent, continuing enemy. Will be behind behind attempts against you even after theoretically you have long passed into the territory of potentially continuing retribution and even after you possibly far advanced into exacting reprisal and even re exchanged of all equities both you guys right now at this stage as it is perfectly recognize are his taken equities. This person will either succumb to the colaad in old age having been funding it or die with the most unbearable bitterness/revenge all long after direct hostilities have gone out of style for both isaaq and dhullo. You will probably never come across him, but you might as well walk in front of him at every second in his gloom.

4. This is Yusuf (I will say him directly). He supported the shelling of Las Anod and unless he ends up becoming among the very small minority of his kind like myself who categorically dissent with all compulsion that had an injurious effect on citizens who were Isaaq and disqualifies any legitimization of it of any kind will be like the many innocently harmful Kacaan folks who blissfully continue to believe the injuries to Isaaq citizens in the north were "wrong" but "forced" by the SNM bringing the war to northern towns. He will probably go on to fraternalize with evem Dhullo intimately, have friends, joke at fadhi ku dirir, but seethe at clan wars doing everything for his side to institute little turf fights. All of which he could help prevent by doing now what is needed to be done advancing reconciliation and reaching a more honest local xeer for neighborly relations

5. The other is Skywalker, I will name.... he has a little of 1, none of 2, some of 3, and a lot of Yusuf without the more substantive, burdened, deep contemplation. Sky is the guy married to 2 Dhulbahante ladies at 65+ years old, absolutely loves his in laws, but then possibly even has all 5 sons die in various clan clashes with Dhulbahante with all 5 sons born of Dhulbahante women having been reared by father to be the ones to wage war on cousins, abtis, and possibly even their own in laws in marriages arranged specifically to Dhulbahante by him, their father. He is the most infuriating thing about Somali fratricide represented in the very homes of every two somali clans in fratricide anywhere.

You will maybe even come to be related to the last 2.

[original dervish]

Of all the snet iidoors, TheYusef is possibly the most rational.

He supports his clan's aggression against Dhulbahante, as long as the cost to his clan is limited.

TheYusef famously stated that the iidoor could remain in Goojacaade, shelling Lascaanood for years.

However, when confronted with the calamitous defeat inflicted upon his people at the historic battle of Goojacaade, TheYusef becomes pragmatic, suggesting the iidoor give up all designs on Dhulbahante land, and withdraw to their territory.

TheYusef is the kind of iidoor you can come to an agreement with. He has all the iidoor traits of Darood hatred, wickedness and bitterness. However, he is less emotional than his iidoor brethren.

Skywalker on the other hand will never accept the reality that Dhulbahnte decisively defeated his iidoor nation at the battle of Goojacaade. If he lives to be one hundred years old , he will still be advocating for a new war and revenge.

The iidoor as a whole are somewhere between TheYusef and Skywalker, although the more rational position seems to be presently holding sway .

If you check tiktok out......iidoor videos calling for war and the invasion of Garowe have all but disappeared.
The mood in iidoorland has shifted.

That's not to say there won't be a new war. Tyrant Bixi will do anything to stay in power.

[theyuusuf143]

Regarding the shelling , first and foremost I don't believe those who stayed in the city after February were civilians. I preferred the army to use all their artillery against the terrorists hiding in the city . To this day I Still criticize muuse not shelling enough to expell the the terrorists from the city. This didn't happen in fact the Dhuloos garaado were comfortably roaming in the city with their macawiso and luxury cars , inviting all isaaq enemies as a guests . In a way I am not different from your average faqash at the battle of hargeisa. Minus I wouldn't directly kill civilians or POWS .

After we were defeated , I accepted that defeat and I don't believe that we should relaunch an attack against dhulbahante to put them under our somaliland authority. Yes we can militarilly push them back to lascaanod. But we have no peaple to rule who we can earn tax from them and there is no an asset to fight for in this region . And it's why more costly than the previous war. So from economy point of view I have nothing to gain from here. And from political point of view we have nothing to loose. This Sool region is still disputed. We control half of it and they control their half.

When it comes to dhulbahante and isaaq peaple. I don't promote conflicts between our nomads, i respect the local xeer between subclans . Except one place, and that's Ceerigaabo. I believe we should completely remove Harti from This place either by war or systematically. I don't sugar coat my policies. I don't hate dhulbahante as a peaple , we can can still trade, and live like other somalis but we are no longer a fellow countrymen , I am not somalian and they are not somalilanders. Case closed.

[original dervish]

I really don't know what your obsession with Ceerigabo is.

We live and own our half of Ceerigabo, and have excellent relationships with the neighbouring HY/ Muuse Ismail.

Your hj have a negligible presence in Ceerigabo, having been expelled from the city during the last iidoor civil war.

Right this minute HY & HJ are slaughtering each other not too far from Ceerigabo. You have zero chance of expelling anybody from Ceerigabo.

Let it go sxb.