Cayr & Saleban fighting in Hananbore, Sacad Kamakazi mode vs Layl Kase tells me Marehan has consolidated.

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Cayr & Saleban fighting in Hananbore, Sacad Kamakazi mode vs Layl Kase tells me Marehan has consolidated.

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This week has been more significant than most Somalis realize. All 3 Habar Gidir clans in Mudug have been in grazing equity clashes that did not involve Marehan.

And there is a reason


Remember that the bulk of Central regions population is in the Western 1/5 of Mudug for a reason from Gaalkacyo to Beledweyne. Bursalah, Burtinle, Bacadwayn, Galkacyo, Galdagob, Saaxo, Dhabad, Caabudwaaq, and Balanbale or all the Darod towns south of Nugaal are on the border of Mudug with Hawd. But so is Cadaado, Dhusamareb, Guri-Ceel, Matabaan, Gelinsoor, Bandiiradlay, Goodinlabe, Dagaari, etc or almost 90% or more of Habar Gidir's population squeezed in a stone throw away as well for the chance of accessing Hawd grazing as well.

Really and substantively the population of the socio-cultural region referenced as Mudug in fact lives on the sliver of land that is the western border of central Somalia with the hawd grazing.

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1993 was a watershed, historically unique moment in this regional history for the equity wars. Explanation would be redundant, but Habar Gidir grazing route reflected this from 1993-2000's;

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In the last decade, clan resources clashes between Habar Gidir and Marehan in central Somalia have dwarfed all other occurrences of the same in Somalia ecause of the magnitude, size, and frequency resulting from the Marehan initializing a campaign to overturn the 1993 dispensation.

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This week all the 3 frontline Habar Gidir clans are embroiled in clan resource clashes in casualties with a magnitude significant enough to show there is a substantive investment of clan hegemonic interest.

1. Sacad vs Layl Kase in Galdogob-Bandiiradlay area around Laanwaaley.
2. Cayd vs Saleebaan in Cadaado-Dhusamareb area around Hananbure.

But these clashes, though they do not implicate Marehan, are in the same geographical area and even on the fault line between the MX and HG;

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It tells me Marehan has fully consolidated the contested equities that was at the heart of the long conflict between them and HG.

While I do not see Marehan having the interest or motivation for any involvement in the Cayr vs Saleebaan or generally for any equity east of Bangeelle, I think it should even be expected that Marehan, along with MJ/Omar Mohamud, will become involved in the Galdogob--Bandiiradlay development.

I think even a deal will be birthed that implicates an active security alliance implicating Marehan-Layl Kase mutual defense between Saaxo and Galdogob. I would not be surprised if Omar Mohamud becomes a primary principal to this deal although I cannot say.

Remarkably, for the first time in my life, I think it is possible that we may in fact see a Marehan/Wagardhac seizure of Gelinsoor settlement as a natural development of the Darod escalation that is imposed by the Laylkase-Sacad rupture of clan fighting.

This is not a prediction; this is me stating I now think this is an actual possibility down the line that cannot be ruled out as a natural consequence of this conflict.

I think Sacad would be existentially underserved by underestimating the serious risk to their position in Mudug as a result of any further expansion or even continuance of this Layl Kase-Sacad hostility.

This advice has been provided in the interest of general Somali welfare.
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Re: Cayr & Saleban fighting in Hananbore, Sacad Kamakazi mode vs Layl Kase tells me Marehan has consolidated.

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Gubbet wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:38 pm

I think Sacad would be existentially underserved by underestimating the serious risk to their position in Mudug as a result of any further expansion or even continuance of this Layl Kase-Sacad hostility.

This advice has been provided in the interest of general Somali welfare.
I applaud Sacad for the strength and tenor of their socio-cultural and political response rising to the level required by the scale of risk developed by this rupture. This risk is obviously immediately implicated in Sacad and Layl Lase growth of hostilities but not limited to it. It will exacerbate Sacad and Wagardhac, Sacad and Cumar Maxmuud, HG and MX, HG and MJ, and even Darood vs. Hawiye. All of these Somali people---all of them---are already traumatized by civil conflict. The risk like I observed above is particularly acute for Sacad, a clan I recognize is already negatively affected by conflict and hostility on their entire border with Darod.

Former Galmudug President Xaad, Sacad with Layl Kase maternal links, with elder statesman type of call for peace and better community cohesion

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Re: Cayr & Saleban fighting in Hananbore, Sacad Kamakazi mode vs Layl Kase tells me Marehan has consolidated.

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I am reminded of these thoughts witnessing how the Sacad-Laylkase issue escalated to become this metastisized between Galdogob -Bandiiradleey.
I think Sacad would be existentially underserved by underestimating the serious risk to their position in Mudug as a result of any further expansion or even continuance of this Layl Kase-Sacad hostility.
Gubbet wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2023 7:54 pm The risk like I observed above is particularly acute for Sacad, a clan I recognize is already negatively affected by conflict and hostility on their entire border with Darod.


Somalia needs to curate a professional social conflict and peace industry because there is a regular and systematic process at work here which then can be predicted and then probably arrested, if not prevented altogether.

The traditional elders system is powerless in pre-conflict phases being, like all things Xeer Somali, a remediation or post-offense reactive tool for issues relating to injury restitution "post-conflict.".

They need something triggered by 'preventing' conflict in the "pre-conflict" phase rather than 'remediating' it post-conflict.
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The solution is a border demarcation.
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theyuusuf143 wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:11 pm The solution is a border demarcation.
It is unpopular in polite society, but I would concur. Private property belonging to individuals have a border. One knows where his house starts and where it ends. Darod-Hawiye-Dir need a border.

It could even be that the border has two classes;

1. Daaq or Grazing
2. Deegaan or settlement

And the "border" in the hard capacity applies to "deegaan" or "settlement building" with rather a loose application in daaq. This would be expressed in daaq being dependent on simple agreement between clans on seasonal basis, but under no circumstances can there be "deegaamayn" outside one's 'clan border.'

These lands are incapable of developing and supporting 'villages.' They are not the agricultural south which can develop and support peasant living.

They are seasonally dry arid lands where seasonal migration has been the livelihood since time immemorial. The only places with any capability of supporting large quantities of regular habitation have already been settled. Everywhere else is a seasonal feature that is not meant to support permanent habitation.

Therefore, all settlement building or "deegaameyn" is "political" in nature at this point in that land and part of a phenomenon that can be called "deegaan-barar" (after "sicir-barar"/inflation) or "settlement inflation".

And why is it being inflated? I talked about that here;
This is not simply water and grazing, but perceived by Layl Kase to be political equity encroachment...a sort of similar "deegaan-barar" problem observed clearly from Habar Gidir. From Sicir-Barar, or inflation, deegaan-barar is institution of unnatural urbanization for the purposes of being beneficiaries of increasing political process. Competition of "deegeameyn" results where settlements are being created like a ponzi scheme.
And here;
I would encourage that free grazing and water use should even be encouraged, but that under no circumstances should deegaan-barar or constituency/ creation be implemented or allowed at all by Majerten Mudug and Doollo against Layl Kase.
"Deegaan-barar" or political "settlement inflation" (really beneficiary inflation) is the single most destabilizing factor in central Somalia and Habar Gidir, objectively speaking, are the original and most frequent practitioners of it.

It is a political problem and the only thing that can resolve it is a political solution—zone demarcation.

Exactly like you said.
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Somalis are not polite but hypocrites and very low IQ. Why loose hundreds of young peaple. When you can simply demarcate your borders. Any disputed territory can be divided by the opposing clans , or given to the national government to be reserved ( national park or seere) we have dozens of reserved areas in somaliland . Many of them are taken from stupid peaple like you.

What's going on in central Somalia is unacceptable. It doesn't happen any where else in Somalia itself . Dad bilaa hogaana baad tihiin oo wild animals ah. Idinka iyo xoolaha aad wadataan labada xoolaha caqli badan. Because I have never seen hal mareexaan or sacad leeyahayoo xayndaab keeda dhaaftay. Iga wala waxa igu waajiba inaan xoolahaaas aan Ku gefay xaal siiyo.
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theyuusuf143 wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2024 4:16 am Somalis are not polite but hypocrites and very low IQ. Why loose hundreds of young peaple. When you can simply demarcate your borders. Any disputed territory can be divided by the opposing clans , or given to the national government to be reserved ( national park or seere) we have dozens of reserved areas in somaliland . Many of them are taken from stupid peaple like you.

What's going on in central Somalia is unacceptable. It doesn't happen any where else in Somalia itself . Dad bilaa hogaana baad tihiin oo wild animals ah. Idinka iyo xoolaha aad wadataan labada xoolaha caqli badan. Because I have never seen hal mareexaan or sacad leeyahayoo xayndaab keeda dhaaftay. Iga wala waxa igu waajiba inaan xoolahaaas aan Ku gefay xaal siiyo.
^ ustaad, I am afraid it is too late for an apology. I have just received a call from the Xoolo Anti Defamation League -XADL, an animal rights organization founded and run by the beasts themselves. The said organization just instructed me, as their solicitor, to proceed, against you, with a law suit for slander by comparing them, the noble xoolo with the base-born Zoomalis waxuushs.

Now, what say you, ustaad joseph? Do you want go ahead and settle this thing out of court by compensating financially the xoolo for your slander, or do you want to fight this lawsuit in front of a judge? It is up to you.
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barbarossa wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2024 6:33 am
theyuusuf143 wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2024 4:16 am Somalis are not polite but hypocrites and very low IQ. Why loose hundreds of young peaple. When you can simply demarcate your borders. Any disputed territory can be divided by the opposing clans , or given to the national government to be reserved ( national park or seere) we have dozens of reserved areas in somaliland . Many of them are taken from stupid peaple like you.

What's going on in central Somalia is unacceptable. It doesn't happen any where else in Somalia itself . Dad bilaa hogaana baad tihiin oo wild animals ah. Idinka iyo xoolaha aad wadataan labada xoolaha caqli badan. Because I have never seen hal mareexaan or sacad leeyahayoo xayndaab keeda dhaaftay. Iga wala waxa igu waajiba inaan xoolahaaas aan Ku gefay xaal siiyo.
^ ustaad, I am afraid it is too late for an apology. I have just received a call from the Xoolo Anti Defamation League -XADL, an animal rights organization founded and run by the beasts themselves. The said organization just instructed me, as their solicitor, to proceed, against you, with a law suit for slander by comparing them, the noble xoolo with the base-born Zoomalis waxuushs.

Now, what say you, ustaad joseph? Do you want go ahead and settle this thing out of court by compensating financially the xoolo for your slander, or do you want to fight this lawsuit in front of a judge? It is up to you.
Xoolaha oo dhan kuma gefine geelaan Ku gefay. 5 jawaan oo carro/cusbo ah baan xaal u bixinaya. My sincere apologies
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^ You, as a layman, not at all familiar with the rudimentary of jurisprudence, are probably not aware of this, but an ancient covenant among xoolo states, "an injury ( be it verbal or physical) done to indivdual xoolokind, is an injury done to all xoolos". Marka hadaa geel ceysey waa adoo xoolo dhan caayey. Teeda kale waxaan rabaa inaa ku weydiiyo, just out of curiousity, exactly how many times, in your life, have you personally used ignorance as a defence in an attempt to get yourself out of legal troubles?
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barbarossa wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2024 3:20 pm ^ You, as a layman, not at all familiar with the rudimentary of jurisprudence, are probably not aware of this, but an ancient covenant among xoolo states, "an injury ( be it verbal or physical) done to indivdual xoolokind, is an injury done to all xoolos". Marka hadaa geel ceysey waa adoo xoolo dhan caayey. Teeda kale waxaan rabaa inaa ku weydiiyo, just out of curiousity, exactly how many times, in your life, have you personally used ignorance as a defence in an attempt to get yourself out of legal troubles?
Many times , I broke too many speed limits and claimed that I could not read the plates , because I am laa yaqru,u walaa yaktub. Even though I was drunk. I think I can get away with this geel thing.
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theyuusuf143 wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2024 4:16 am Somalis are not polite but hypocrites and very low IQ. Why loose hundreds of young peaple. When you can simply demarcate your borders. Any disputed territory can be divided by the opposing clans , or given to the national government to be reserved ( national park or seere) we have dozens of reserved areas in somaliland . Many of them are taken from stupid peaple like you.

What's going on in central Somalia is unacceptable. It doesn't happen any where else in Somalia itself . Dad bilaa hogaana baad tihiin oo wild animals ah. Idinka iyo xoolaha aad wadataan labada xoolaha caqli badan. Because I have never seen hal mareexaan or sacad leeyahayoo xayndaab keeda dhaaftay. Iga wala waxa igu waajiba inaan xoolahaaas aan Ku gefay xaal siiyo.
I agree what has been happening in central Somalia is unacceptable.
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