Somali ‘Mucaarad’ At Any Given Time Show You How Hopeless We Are

[Murax]

The theme is always the same they never separate between danta Siyaasiinta and danta guud.


From MSB to Farmaajo to HSM.


Take during Farmaajo’s time. Anytime something positive was accomplished people would view it as a ‘Farmaajo victory’. Same now, with HSM. Let me use myself as an example. Truthfully I despise HSM. To me he is a hogaamiye kooxeed zero business in any civilized Gov. Yet my despising of him will not lead me to realize that:


-Debt forgiveness
-Arms Embargo lifting



Are NOT HSM victories but SOMALI victories! Heck I’m basically saying you can continue hating HSM but as a Somali be happy that these victories were achieved for Somalis. HSM could be gone tomorrow and a new Gov can come back that you like and at least they’ll have somewhere to start from.

[Gubbet]

No, thank you..

I want to see him in handcuffs and tried by a future Somali government for CRIMES AGAINST THE PUBLIC; public corruption, bribery, embezzlement, fraud, extortion, larceny, abuse of office, mismanagement over the public interest, even nurturing a MAFIA STATE.

I want him TRIED IN PUBLIC next to the Robber Baron Adan Madoobe.

I spoke to a General who told me he is surprised by the number of people who have brought up to him the idea HSM needs to be made an example of by a future Somali government that is strong if it is going to overcome the level of depravity we have seen the last two years.

And HSM has broken all bounds of "xishood" so there is NO GOODWILL or even allowance someone is going to defer to him.

Things happen for a reason.

[Murax]

Inadeer Gubbet, I’m sorry to say but you look at this whole thing from a very emotional angle, and it’s clouding your judgement.


I promise you that you have no more hate for HSM than I do but the difference is I will supress my emotions, and embrace the reality only which is this:

1) HSM is not going anywhere
2) Mogadishu where he reigns belongs to Hawiye, and AMISOM who both love him
3) He is Xalane’s darling
4) His term might actually be extended
5) It is not inconceivable he will even win a second election
6) Most Hawiye view Culusow as a saviour and their leader, and Xamar is dominanted by them.


Your idea that Culusow will be forcibly relocated is preposterous and has no basis in reality.



People like me, and Nomand embrace the reality and our mindset is play the game. Your mindset seems to obsess about HSM singularly when the reality is overall he is weak, and for that there are ways for many Somalis to not allow him or their subgroups be held prisoner by him. The problem is since MX are a subgroup that doesn’t believe in building anything locally they feel disproportional affected by whatever figure is or isn’t in Villa Somalia i.e a USC transitional era politician like HSM.

This sad fact of Beesha is evident by the fact that as Nomamd and I noticed youand 99.9% of MX don’t even recognise the problem which leaves very little hope at a resolution. Other Somalis i.e MJ, Dhullo, Ogadeen take more ownership for their affairs which leaves them no to focus on Culusow like you and 99.9% of MX do.

[Gubbet]

The problem with Marehan is you and Nomand's entire observation in Somali politics.

[Murax]

Gubbet,

Unfortunately brother you are displaying the traits as it relates to MX that many beleaguered, marginalized, minorities, all around the world display which is embracing of a victim mentality, victim complex, and feeling our situation is what it is because of some 70 something Hawiye guy with what seams to be deteriorating health.


Like I mentioned before it seems all other Somali groups took control of their destiny except MX, and it sucks you are using your talents to put a spotlight on some weak figure in Xamar, rather than using it to galvanize your Tol yo take ownership of their destiny like ALL other Somali clans have done.


The only other groups I will understand constant fixiation on Culusow is a 0.5 minority clan which one can argue we’ve become? Except I will not give us that pass if we are one it’s because we chose that life so we all need to zip it and take a good long look in the mirror

[theyuusuf143]

Farmajo and afwayne they were both enemies of mareexaan. Maxay u qabteen , zero. Hogaamiye kasta laba qoluu u miisa , cida uu Ka baqayo ama cida uu isku halaynayo. Most Somali leaders take their clan's support for granted, so they often neglect their particular deegaan.

Mareexaan axmed madoobe iyo culusaw baada Ka qaada dhaama, mid isagu naftiisa wax u raba. Ninkaas gubbet ee guulwadaha ah haw joojinina mareexaanaw. Farxadiisu waa inuu nin mareexana oo madsdwayne noqda sacabka u tumo. It's an old mentality. Ceel biyo ahoo culusaw laga soo dhiciya dhaanta in mareexaan farmajo wakhti isaga lumiyan. Duni aakhiro zamaan baynu joognaaye manfac doon noqda , magac haduu wax tarayo horeba waad u lahaydene.

Dunidani waa capitalist. Aabahaa xitaa wixiisa lama lihid. Sida loo kala hunguri weynyahay baa lookala nolol fiican Yahay. Dadka intii iimaanka qabtay way bakhtiyeen. Fulayga inmika tarma geesiguna cidluu Ku bakhtiya. Gunta la dhegaysta. Gobtana waxba lama waydiiyo. Somalida dhexeeeda power Ku wuxu Ku fiican yahay inaad Ka ag dhawdahay. Hadaad adigu member ka fuusho sagaal kunoo qashaafadood baa kugu dhacaya. Somalidu waa laydh eegato.

[FarhanYare]

Heck I’m basically saying you can continue hating HSM but as a Somali be happy that these victories were achieved for Somalis.

[Gubbet]

Gubbet,

Unfortunately brother you are displaying the traits as it relates to MX that many beleaguered, marginalized, minorities, all around the world display which is embracing of a victim mentality, victim complex, and feeling our situation is what it is because of some 70 something Hawiye guy with what seams to be deteriorating health.

Real talk Murax, all you are doing in every single topic is 'apologizing' for why you are now a 'horgal' for Culusoow.

[Murax]

Gubbet,

I have too much honor to embrace being a victim. I’m not a victim, and if I’m sleeping in shyt (Which we are), then it’s because I put myself there nobody else. If that makes me a ‘horgal’ then sure.



It’s like when some African Americans confront their community about some of their ills and they get labelled ‘house negros’. Sad thing is African Americans went through 400 years of the most brutal subjugation the world has seen. They have a right to blame whites for all their ills or a majority of it. What the hell is MX’s excuse to being victims??? I refuse to focus on a Culusow not because I’m a ‘Horgal’ but because I know if the elephant in the room is not talked about (Our Dullinimo) it won’t matter if Culusow is there or not as they’re will always be some Hawiye guy in Villa Somalia ready to eat our lunch. If not then a Farmaajo type who won’t give you equity because he will take your food and give it to others to prove how Wadani he is.


Gubbet I’m sorry to say but they’re is a shocking amount of warped self delusion, lack of reason in the way you are deducing this he situation. I’m genuinely surprised.

[Gubbet]

Sxb, fock Culusoow. I don't give him credit for anything except corruption, nepotism, mismanagement, and wasting Somalia's time.

[barbarossa]

Murax seems to have developed a serious case of what a noted reer Mudug epidemiologist, Ali Jama (detto Qodhey iyo Xeradey) recently termed HAG-Affinitytitis, a medical condition in which patients display a sudden and unexplained fondness for all things HAG.

[Murax]

Sxb, fock Culusoow. I don't give him credit for anything except corruption, nepotism, mismanagement, and wasting Somalia's time.

When did I ever say give him credit?

[BigBreak]

Sxb, fock Culusoow. I don't give him credit for anything except corruption, nepotism, mismanagement, and wasting Somalia's time.

When did I ever say give him credit?

Gubbet has completely lost the plot and can't accept to take any responsibility for his own mess. Cagdheer winning is killing him

[skywalker25]

Gubbet,

What Murax is trying to say in the nicest possible way; is that you hating HSM is a waste of energy. You (MX) need to direct that energy into fixing your house, then you will have equity to play on the high table. If all you do is cry about how bad HSM is, that will not change a thing.

[Gubbet]

Gubbet,

What Murax is trying to say in the nicest possible way; is that you hating HSM is a waste of energy. You (MX) need to direct that energy into fixing your house, then you will have equity to play on the high table. If all you do is cry about how bad HSM is, that will not change a thing.

I despise Culusoow because I am FROM SOMALIA.

And yes, I can be completely focused on my own interest and STILL despise Culusoow.

I love Murax, waa walaalkey and my friend. I genuinely love the focker, but Murax (and he will forgive me for finally putting a finger on it) is a theocrat whereas I am a secularist or rather I DO NOT HAVE ANY CONFIDENCE IN A MAN HAVING STATE CONTROL OVER MY AFFAIRS WRAPPING HIMSELF UP IN THE MANTLE OF GOD'S AUTHORITY. To that effect, Murax is a Jadiidi ala Saudi which strictly as mission statement says "every leader is to be obeyed."

That viewpoint is repulsive to everything I am.

It is anti-me as a Muslim who believes evil leaders should be fought and defeated. It is anti-me as as a Marehan who has never bowed to tyrant or imposition, it is anti me as a Somali who only accepts egalitarian republicanism, and it is anti-me as an American who only accepts government of the people, by the people.