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Unlike TheYuusuf, Skywalker he doesn’t have little man syndrome particularly with regard to Darood. Unlike them he doesn’t have the same xin, petty women cuqdad they have towards Darood. To him anybody Hawiye, Darood, D&M, Shaanshi doesn’t matter whoever is against Sland he hates but aside that he doesn’t have this irrational hate towards Darood, or IRIR Samaale complex they have. Funny thing is even their IRIRnimo is not real but that’s a separate discussion.

Its irrational to talk about daarood today when they are absolutely not in power i mean why talk about darood when they have the same beef with xamar over the federalism tax and over the structure of government and the so called draft constitution. And I won’t give hawiye free pass because we supposed to have some beef with darood , that’s what the yusuuf says u can say allot about farmaajo or cabdilahi yusuf they didn’t fight with cididuy ku dirir to erase sl name from international platforms I call a spade a spade . My policy is very simple if you support sl quest for state hood it’s peace it’s development ur a friend if ur indifferent we also we respond in neutrality . If ur an enemy we will call you out what ever ur qabil is I don’t hate or love any one it’s just politics I can laugh and have fun fun with darood or with hawiye I can also have beef and strong debates with darood and hawiye it doesn’t really matter it depends on the subject

I don't waste any energy on actually hating Darod or any other clan but let's tell it like it really is Murax, the biggest haters of Isaaq is Darods (ordinary masses included) hence why the biggest hater of Somaliland is Darod. Also Darod has a presence in Somaliland unlike HAG and RX which adds to the situation. Plus the one clan Darod dictatorship that committed genocide on Somaliland's majority clan has to be taken into account.

The HAG elites may be anti Somaliland nowadays but I don't believe that they are anti Isaaq however Darods are anti both

PS I hate how many people conflate Somaliland with Isaaq

Lets say khaalid is a machine gun operator and I am a Sniper. Two different roles. I would never aim to neutralise an abgaal eating his canbuulo. The possibility that donkey can hurt me is close to zero unless he makes to the villa. Same goes to the mareexan.

But any Living qurjiile is threat to me. No matter male , female , young or old , poor or rich , wadaad or wabiil. Call it hate , cuqdad little man syndrome, what ever. It's a reality that daaroods in general are million times more threat to the Isaaqs compare to hawiye particularly those who border with us. Let's call spade a spade. No sugar coating.

Unlike khaalid I don't believe in somaliland as it stands. I believe inaanu anagu meesha kaadidayada usoo cabnay. Waxan si dhaba u aaminsan ahay in kuwa hada naga baxay na shar nagala tageen kuwa kalena in la raaciyaan aaminsahay. Waxan aaminsahay zero sum game. Qorshaha fog iyo kaw dhaw toona iiguma jirto inaan cidaan Isaaq ahayn u joojiyo.

I will tell you the truth some Isaaq just think that hawiye are just subhumans that haven’t envolved fully into the Somali identity and they have proof their Somali identity to others so they have this irrational obsession with somaliweyn which doesn’t exist. The vast majority doesn’t consider hawiye people that can hurt them . Though hawiye can’t hurt Somaliland if they wanted well at least not from a military point of view but they can wage an economic war the isolation policy and trying to erase sl name from international platforms what they have been doing. To focus on darood is futile at the moment since daarood hold no power to hurt somaliland or isaaq , the yusuuf would say they could have would have should have , could’ve should’ve would’ve isn’t evidence , Abdiqasim salaad hassan made somaliland lose 8 billion dollars since the implemented a ban on our live stocks in the early 2000s noo daarood president did ever eve inflict this type of damage on Somaliland . I believe darood and hawiye view somaliland the same both oppose it with hawiye you cannot reason with darood we can atleast reason since they themselves want to free them selves from the cage called the bunker . Darood some will say if u give us eastern sanaag and eastern sool we have no issue to sign the divorce paper hawiye will say every Somali will live inside my stinking Ugandan toilet that is the difference both are enemeies but have different strategies. Yes yusuuf qurjiiles are our enemies but only since recent but we had beef with them for centuries try at just due to proximity where they live if u had lived near the indhacsse Haber gedir u would be in. Constant war it’s not something that has to do with darood sollely Ogaden used to be our enemies for centuries but today we chill jigjiga together why would u say hate a marexan who lives in luuq which is 1500 miles from our land even the Mj all they do is look up to us . The Ogaden have a reason to oppose our independence they believe that with our isaaq they will never be free from Ethiopia. That’s why ina abdulla hassan never bothered to get support from his clan his call was always iidoor gaalo ha iga raacina with out isaaq nothing can be done the darood know this .i say hawiye have shown their teeth and we should never give them free pass just because we have unfinished bussines

Khalid dont be a silly billy and fall for the trap. If you see the Hawiye and Darod as equal threats, then you my friend living in a Darod wonderland.

The Hawiye do not have a historical deep hate for Isaaq. One that goes from father to son. The Hawiye does not have lands that you have taken from him and he wants back.

The Hawiye economical war is one of pure self interest. I would never hate a man for wanting to compete with me. The world is about competition. So what HMS has decided to put a blockade on Somaliland. That’s the reaction to your silly uncle backstabbing him. HSM was the man who signed off Berbera port, who singed off the air traffic sharing agreement.

The Darod on the other hand want to see you vanished and gone. No Hawiye shares that sentiment. Farmaajo in his time in office trained so many men, not to fight and free Hawiyelands from alshabab but to dismantle Somaliland thread by thread. All those snipers fighting in Goojacade and all the minority Darods fighting were all trained for that mission only.

Only Muse Bixi and you see the Hawiye as enemy.

theyuusuf143 wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 10:59 am Lets say khaalid is a machine gun operator and I am a Sniper. Two different roles. I would never aim to neutralise an abgaal eating his canbuulo. The possibility that donkey can hurt me is close to zero unless he makes to the villa. Same goes to the mareexan.

But any Living qurjiile is threat to me. No matter male , female , young or old , poor or rich , wadaad or wabiil. Call it hate , cuqdad little man syndrome, what ever. It's a reality that daaroods in general are million times more threat to the Isaaqs compare to hawiye particularly those who border with us. Let's call spade a spade. No sugar coating.

This isn't hypothetical.......it actually happened in real life last year. Iidoors slaughtered hundreds of Dhulbahante men, women and children in their attempted genocide of Lascaanood.

The end result was a devastating defeat of the iidoors at the historic battle of Goojacaade and over 1300 hj, alone, in their graves.

skywalker25 wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 2:46 pm Khalid dont be a silly billy and fall for the trap. If you see the Hawiye and Darod as equal threats, then you my friend living in a Darod wonderland.

The Hawiye do not have a historical deep hate for Isaaq. One that goes from father to son. The Hawiye does not have lands that you have taken from him and he wants back.

The Hawiye economical war is one of pure self interest. I would never hate a man for wanting to compete with me. The world is about competition. So what HMS has decided to put a blockade on Somaliland. That’s the reaction to your silly uncle backstabbing him. HSM was the man who signed off Berbera port, who singed off the air traffic sharing agreement.

The Darod on the other hand want to see you vanished and gone. No Hawiye shares that sentiment. Farmaajo in his time in office trained so many men, not to fight and free Hawiyelands from alshabab but to dismantle Somaliland thread by thread. All those snipers fighting in Goojacade and all the minority Darods fighting were all trained for that mission only.

Only Muse Bixi and you see the Hawiye as enemy.

What were the iidoors trained by Ethiopia over the last thirty years trained for?

They were trained to genocide Dhulbahante......but it didn't work out like that did it?

You love genocide so much, but we gonna give it to you very soon. You gonna bring yourself into the slaughter house.

skywalker25 wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 2:46 pm Khalid dont be a silly billy and fall for the trap. If you see the Hawiye and Darod as equal threats, then you my friend living in a Darod wonderland.

The Hawiye do not have a historical deep hate for Isaaq. One that goes from father to son. The Hawiye does not have lands that you have taken from him and he wants back.

The Hawiye economical war is one of pure self interest. I would never hate a man for wanting to compete with me. The world is about competition. So what HMS has decided to put a blockade on Somaliland. That’s the reaction to your silly uncle backstabbing him. HSM was the man who signed off Berbera port, who singed off the air traffic sharing agreement.

The Darod on the other hand want to see you vanished and gone. No Hawiye shares that sentiment. Farmaajo in his time in office trained so many men, not to fight and free Hawiyelands from alshabab but to dismantle Somaliland thread by thread. All those snipers fighting in Goojacade and all the minority Darods fighting were all trained for that mission only.

Only Muse Bixi and you see the Hawiye as enemy.

skywalker25 wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 2:46 pm Khalid dont be a silly billy and fall for the trap. If you see the Hawiye and Darod as equal threats, then you my friend living in a Darod wonderland.

The Hawiye do not have a historical deep hate for Isaaq. One that goes from father to son. The Hawiye does not have lands that you have taken from him and he wants back.

The Hawiye economical war is one of pure self interest. I would never hate a man for wanting to compete with me. The world is about competition. So what HMS has decided to put a blockade on Somaliland. That’s the reaction to your silly uncle backstabbing him. HSM was the man who signed off Berbera port, who singed off the air traffic sharing agreement.

The Darod on the other hand want to see you vanished and gone. No Hawiye shares that sentiment. Farmaajo in his time in office trained so many men, not to fight and free Hawiyelands from alshabab but to dismantle Somaliland thread by thread. All those snipers fighting in Goojacade and all the minority Darods fighting were all trained for that mission only.

Only Muse Bixi and you see the Hawiye as enemy.

Hawiye were the bulk of Siyad barres army it was only due to our politics and our way in influencing to point their guns against the daarood . But they never really wanted to do this , the hawiye in a heart best will embrace a darood over isaaq any day .

Yes with darood we have a history camel raiding and land theft here and there and sure there are resentment on both sides but clearly daarood are no threat . Farmaajo u mentioned u do know the biggest supporters for Farmaajo were hawiye the bigggest opposition to farmaajo were daarod Ogaden and darood Mj. The biggest supporters of nn are hawiye
So you are being disengenous no daarood president in the bunker has waged the war they are waging now . If hawiye could stop or starve isaaaq to death they would luckily for us they can’t
Farmaajo tried to block lives stock yes but he didn’t go ahead with it and or he didn’t succeed . Cabdilahi yusuf when he was the bunker president never lifted a finger against somaliland
So I don’t get this hatred for daarood I am not saying darood are friends but u lot give hawiye a free pass when they have done more damage to Somaliland then any other faqash
I told u how the powerless abdiqsim damaged our economy beyond repair. We have seen the latest attack on the Somaliland republic they went as far as cutting ties who ever rols a red carpet for us I say the biggest hater to anything Somaliland is hawiye Anigu daarood manarko hadda wax ina yeelaya ama wax ina yeeli kara
Actually if our leadership is smart we should use darood as a stick against the hawiye bunker and diminish their power politics is not of emotions yaal sound like raped woman, markad daaroooday ku haysan ninka jiritaaankga diiidan wuxu ka so cicayaya hogaga ugaandheeska wa nin bantu ooo hawiye oo leh badaad leeyahay i don’t see cagjar madoobe or deni talking ninka United Nations ka qeylinaya wa fiqi ka kale waa waare ka kala wa culusow Somaliland hada cadow maleh oo aan hawiye ahayn

theyuusuf143 wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 3:06 pm You love genocide so much, but we gonna give it to you very soon. You gonna bring yourself into the slaughter house.

Your like a broken record sxb.
We have already defeated the iidoors, and crushed your hj underfoot.

Khalid is from the Habar Awal clan who are very concerned about the prosperity of Hargeisa and Berbera. He is far away from the bloodbath that went on in Sool. Hence he keeps going on about "economic warfare". I also disagree with him on his misconception that the Darod tribe only want demarcated borders with Isaaq and are willing to sign "divorce papers" kkk. No Somali clan is in any way shape or form supportive of seccessionist ideals. It is a direct contradiction to the Somaliweyn dream, which the major clans all champion except possibly the RX. The Hawiye less so than the Darod as many aren't keen on burdening Mogadishu's taxes beyond the current recognised borders or willing to go to war for it as they know Ethiopia and Kenya will just start funding rival clans against the Hawiye which leads back to the same impasse. Siad Barre a veteran soldier, learnt this the hard way. Perhaps if he had moved the capital deep into the Darod heartland like Alula then he could have survived but he would still end up with a largely lawless country without control of many areas bordering other clans unless he went full nuclear on them. Even then, a generation of inward looking MJs would have sought to overthrow him from their base and become modern day HSMs. I don't see a future HSM willing to blitzkrieg his way into ruling of all Somalia, only a figure like Aideed, another veteran soldier, could have achieved this for HAG but he could not rule all of Mogadishu to make this possible. Mogadishu itself is not necessarily deep in Hawiye heartland occupied by 1 subclan only but it is on the edge of Abgaal/Murusade/other HW territory, which only a few dozen miles away after the Wacdaan and Sheikhal it reaches Digil/Dir territory, Mogadishu itself and its increasing diversity makes it hard to even find a Mogadishan native who can rule the whole town with an iron first. The ICU uprise was a rare great experiment that, while uniting Mogadishu, it still led back to what Afwayne suffered - other clans allied with foreign forces to neutralise them, only this time the foreign forces directly occupied us themselves to teach us a lesson. The rest of the Dir are indifferent, some support Somaliwayn, though many are possibly supportive of secession as it gives the "Djibouti and SL" mirage a good leg up against a Hawiye/Darod duopoly. There is no point thinking in zero sum mentality and one must recognise that all clans have a voice that must be heard, there must be genuine reconciliation and a vital common interest that unites all. This Battle Royale between the 4.5 clans is mere point scoring and we must put preventative measures in place to prevent 1. One clan domination - 4.5 quota helps this. 2. Regional unrest - federalism helps this. 3. Free and fair elections - 1M1V will finalise this. I do believe 4.5, federalism and 1M1V can all be refined and limited in capacity and influence to better reflect equality and peace between the clans. This may intice Somalis beyond our borders to restart their rapture and quest to join Somalia. Failing those preventative measures then we go back to square 1 and it may just have to become a last man standing contest in the 34th annual episode of a warring Somali state.

I think it has little do what my subclan is. You do know that the vast majority yes u don’t believe it are of the habar awal in the army in huge numbers yes the war that is being fought is fought far from our tribal home land but nonenelesss I care for my country and every inch of Somaliland is my country

I don’t believe daarood is unreasonable apart from the few xaasids if we were to agree to give some of their darood lands to them and not claim it I believe the vast majority of their leaders will sign it what they can’t accept is that we take eastern sool and eastern sanaag well only if the Harti accept to be part of somaliland . Either way it is not a big issue for sl this particular land has no value what is so ever . But we will not agree with darood on this merely because we are principled all of somaliland or no somaliland . And we can’t chooose tribal homeland here self determination. Based on sub sub sub sub clan .
Besides no one in Somalia cares for our self determination so why would we care for some one else self determination

What is weird though why u hawiye hold on two this dysfunctional Somalia that u entertain u only create enemies u rather have somaliland as ur friend then us ur enemy not sure what the hawiye end game is apart from aid what else are y so afraid can u not live with out us . Or do u think Somalia so fragile we leave every one else will leave . Meeshu haday sida tahay maxa ba ka iska walaaya oo la wadda jooga oo beenta ka isugu sheegaya