is sufism correct??

[muslim-man]

please give reason for you answers.

1. yes suufism is correct form of islam

2. no its bidca and should be shunned

[San_dheer]

No, because dancing and playing music is not very Islamic. They also believe God is within you and apart of you...(for real, I saw it in a documentary about Sufism - the most popular Islamic sect among non-muslim westerners aka infidels). I consider this a bit odd and blasphemous.

They also wear ragged clothes and usually look creepy, like aliens. I think this is also not right.

[muslim-man]

I also believe sufism is bidca for the same reasons and others. lets wait and here what others have to say before we jump into conclutions. maybe the suufi they are reffeering is different to sufism. Allahu waclam.

[muslim-man]

any suufi in the da house??

[AMAT-ALLAH]

Concept,Concept,Concept

[The Arabman]

Sufism is based on the concept of passivism; it teaches to be passive, weak and follower. Islam teaches to be proactive. Allah loves a strong Muslim. There wouldn't have been an Islamic empire if most Muslim leaders were Sufis. The concepts of defensive and offensive jihads are alien to Sufis. Sufis would rather not fight; they cannot be counted on when Muslim lands are attacked, invaded and/or occupied. Sufis believe in intermediaries in the form of dead saints. The concepts of sainthood or intermediaries doesn't exist in Islam. Islam teaches all humans are equal, and the only factor of superiority between them is taqwa. The prophet (PBUH) advised his daughter to only count on her deeds, never on his status as the prophet/messenger of Allah. The enemies of Allah support and encourage Sufism. Why wouldn't they support what makes Muslims passive?

[afdhere]

a bunch of iddiots wallahi. sufism is the essence of islam. read this verse, yaa ahlul jaahil:

[25.63] And the servants of the Beneficent God are they who walk on the earth in humbleness, and when the ignorant address them, they say: "Peace."

masha allah. no muslim lives up to that except the sufis. if i were ever to choose a dariikhah in islam, which i don't, i would choose sufism. but i don't believe in labels. besides, i'm somali-- and i like to fight

as for weather they are a path in islam, of course. sufis share a lot with the sunnis... but even the ismailis are a path in islam.

afdhere

[Basra-]

[The Law26]

Who is asking the question? A man who denies the existance of wahabism.

Wahabism is the best and are the only genuine Muslims that Allah SWT has ever created, just like our brothers in Saudi Arabia.

[Daanyeer]

YOOOOOOOOOOO This is the LINE ____ of Sufis.

.....AND.......


This is the LINE ______ of Non-SUFIS.



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[The Law26]

[quote="The Arabman"]Indeed, there are no Muslims who call themselves Wahabists, nor Muslims who follow a sect/religion/madhab that's called Wahabism.[/quote]

What do they follow in Saudi Arabia? Why can't a woman not drive? Who follows Bin Baz, Al-Shaykh and all those munaafiqiins that justify the rule of Al-Saud royal dynasty and turned the land that Prophet pbuh called Arabia into the land of Al-Saud's? I forgot it is called salafism and invented by a guy named Mohamed Abdiwahaab.

[The Arabman]

Women aren't allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia, because it's upto the Saudis; they chose not to let their women drive. It's their prerogative. Similar laws not allowing women to do something general or specific exists in many countries, including the West. If Saudis decided that's what works for them, who are we to interfere with their local laws? Do Saudis interfere with what women in other countries aren't allowed? I doubt it. Let's look at these laws (among many):

1. In Norfolk, Virginia, a woman can't go out without wearing a corset. (There was a civil-service job- for men only- called a corset inspector).

2. In Merryville, Missouri, women are prohibited from wearing corsets because "the privilege of admiring the curvaceous, unencumbered body of a young woman should not be denied to the normal, red-blooded American male."

3. In Florida, a special law prohibits unmarried women from parachuting on Sunday or she shall risk arrest, fine, and/or jailing.

4. It is illegal for a man to drink with a woman in an Edmonton beer parlour in Alberta.

5. Women are prohibited from wearing patent leather shoes in public in Ohio.

6. It is illegal for women to wear false teeth without the written permission of their husbands in Vermont.

Now, do you read or hear about Saudis interfering with those American or Canadian local laws? I rest my case.

[The Law26]

As the question is from a Muslim perspective, and the point of discussion is the global emerging Wahabi version of Islam, then let me respond and say, either to hell with laws suppressing women rights in America or elsewhere, or are you implying that Wahabis in Saudi Arabia do apply Sharia Laws concerning female rights that resembles their American cousins?

We all know that Saudi Arabia is the source of chronic, systemic, intellectual and ideological crises facing the Muslim world. This might not convince the Wahabi follower and the error of his ways, and his society would continue to foster those ideas and sentiments and the system would continue to support them. Why do they ban women driving? Because they follow a Wahabi doctrine and use it as support for the idea of women as weak, fitna-producing, submissive, dependent, etc. The sad reality is that they are exporting and transplanting those ideas on other nations, communities and individuals like you and others here. For them (The Wahabi hierarchy and the Al-Saud dynasty), the rules and regulations of imagined “True-Islam” are simply a means of manipulating people like you.

True believing men do not seek to gain dictatorial authority over their women, but to help them so that they do not fall to rely on other men who may deceive and then misuse them. While the Wahabi idea of Muslim women are as malleable, dependent, submissive, weak, fitna-provoking, and in need of male guidance to be pious and true. You can find on these pages that the majority of abuses against women are supported by some men and women (Wahabi converts here), and are often found in their misuse of the Quraan and the Sunnah like the Saudis do in their Wahabi Sharia Laws.

It is a problem with many Muslims and not a problem with Islam. Allah SWT has given rights to women that were unknown of at the time. These rights were radical to the rest of the world and even among the early Muslims. If the thoughts of the Muslim society have to change, the sentiments must change, and also we should be wary in adopting the Wahabi and their govt’s system and laws.

Allah says in the Qur'an: Say: My Lord forbiddeth only indecencies, such of them as are apparent and such as are within, and sin and wrongful oppression, and that ye associate with Allah that for which no warrant hath been revealed, and that ye tell concerning Allah that which ye know not.(7.33)

MM

Either his memory is weak, or he is the biggest hypocrite that set foot in this board. Recently, while denying the existence of Wahabis, the man made noises about Islamic unity, just to turn around and take a cheap shot at other Muslims. His blind following of the Wahabi sect exacerbates his lack of understanding the complexity in defining the term Sufi. There is even a striking similarity of him with Arabman in the arena of tribal Somali politics and the traditional tribal sentiments that he strongly adheres to.

[IslamicFaith]

There is no such sect as "Wahhabism" brother/sister law

Don't make empty accusations/claims justify your statement and please show us where and/or when Shaykh Ibn Baz justified how the so-called Arabian "royals" rule the country

If you were to read many of the shaykhs books or listen to his lectures you will notice that what the shaykh teaches are purely based on the quran and sunnah

[The Arabman]

Indeed, as I, muslim-man and others have stated before, there are no group of Muslims who call themselves Wahabists, nor group of Muslims who follow a sect/religion/madhab that's called Wahabism.