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how do you answer?
how do answere or replay when your fellow co-workers tell you happy christmas?
what is your experience when you answer back?
i basically say You 2 then istaqfurulaah
what is your experience when you answer back?
i basically say You 2 then istaqfurulaah
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ok wise but how would you feel sxb if you were in muslim country and you had a christian or a jew co-worker or a friend or what ever and everyone is telling him ciid mubaarak ciid mubaarak and he replies have a nice day? would get offended ? I would
and in this case we are in the west and we have been raised to respect others you dont want offend people who you associate with on a daily basis so its not faire bro i think
and in this case we are in the west and we have been raised to respect others you dont want offend people who you associate with on a daily basis so its not faire bro i think
Intellex,
I don’t force other people to say back Eid Mubarak to me and I don’t get offended that easy (especially when it comes to religion) I believe everybody has a freedom to believe what he beliefs in. And I always respect and make myself distance from other beliefs and I don’t have to compromise with them in order to respect their religion. There is another way you can get away from their greeting and Christmas things so don’t give a hard time for yourself. Stay firm and say your words in civilized manner with what you stand-for. However, if there is any benefit by saying back to Merry Christmas, like if they have an attention or willing to understand my religion or I think that might help them to become Muslim, I think I may wish for them. But, I am not here to wish Merry Christmas for everybody who passes nearby.
I don’t force other people to say back Eid Mubarak to me and I don’t get offended that easy (especially when it comes to religion) I believe everybody has a freedom to believe what he beliefs in. And I always respect and make myself distance from other beliefs and I don’t have to compromise with them in order to respect their religion. There is another way you can get away from their greeting and Christmas things so don’t give a hard time for yourself. Stay firm and say your words in civilized manner with what you stand-for. However, if there is any benefit by saying back to Merry Christmas, like if they have an attention or willing to understand my religion or I think that might help them to become Muslim, I think I may wish for them. But, I am not here to wish Merry Christmas for everybody who passes nearby.
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I agree with Wise man dude. I've said this before and will say it over and over. I hear people are affraid of offending muslims when they wish them merry christmas or happy new year...for God sakes they are only words and it's a great opportunity to make da'wa(invitation) and change misconceptions about Islam, we can respectfully smile and say "thank you"... "but we really dont celebrate, but you and your family enjoy it anyway"... when they say what do you mean? You can say well I know we dont have time for discussion now, but here's something for you to read...(e.g. give a copy of Quraan).With so many muslims awakening and non-muslims converting to Islam, I urge people if the Islam you are learning encourages you to dislike another human being for his/her belief (not action/conduct), please do some research, don't just take that as word of God. Our Prophet (PBUH) dealt happily, had support even married women from other religions to maintain harmony between His people. Human are human, Islam is way of life , it's a conduct, our good conduct is best invitation to islam.
I have none Muslims relatives, what amma gonna do to them? cut them off or call them for Islam in nice way and share their happiness and even help them?
I have none Muslims relatives, what amma gonna do to them? cut them off or call them for Islam in nice way and share their happiness and even help them?
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I always reply merry Christmas with all my heart.
Waryaadaa since when the average Christian became something to hate with passion.
That was this anecdote in the time of our beloved prophet.
There was this Christian expedition and the prophet gave them a temporary refuge in the big mosque of madina.
The prophet even built them a temporary shack in the mosque as a church.
They were free to practice their deviation in free and without fear.
What we hate with passion is the wicked muslim who follow their way of life and implement it with passion.
Like unimaginably those Somali families or other muslims who buy gift for their children in Christmas period.
When you ask them why?
They reply so because that the kids don’t feel left out.
Well your kid will be left in janaah how about that?
Weak, stupid families.
I love Christmas, boxing days and new years cos I got to work as premium employee!!!!
Waryaadaa since when the average Christian became something to hate with passion.
That was this anecdote in the time of our beloved prophet.
There was this Christian expedition and the prophet gave them a temporary refuge in the big mosque of madina.
The prophet even built them a temporary shack in the mosque as a church.
They were free to practice their deviation in free and without fear.
What we hate with passion is the wicked muslim who follow their way of life and implement it with passion.
Like unimaginably those Somali families or other muslims who buy gift for their children in Christmas period.
When you ask them why?
They reply so because that the kids don’t feel left out.
Well your kid will be left in janaah how about that?
Weak, stupid families.
I love Christmas, boxing days and new years cos I got to work as premium employee!!!!
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The previous reply was what i believed and then here it is an extreme side of point of view.
Allahuu aclaam:
Imaam Abul-'Hasan al-Aamidi said: the one who is known as Ibn al-Baghdaadi said in his book ‘Umdat al-Haadir wa Kifaayat al-Musaafir: 'It is not permitted to attend the festivals of the Christians and Jews. Ahmad stated this in the report of Muhannaa, and his evidence for that is the verse (which means): ‘And those who do not witness falsehood (Az-Zoor)…’ (Al-Furqaan: 72). He said: (This is) al-Sha’aaneen and their festivals. He said: The Muslims are to be prevented from entering upon them in their synagogues and churches.'
Greeting the Kuffaar on Christmas and other religious holidays of theirs is Haraam, by consensus. Ibn al-Qayyim, may Allaah have mercy on him, said in Ahkaam Ahl ath-Thimmah: 'Congratulating the Kuffaar on the rituals that belong only to them is Haraam by consensus, as is congratulating them on their festivals and fasts by saying ‘A happy festival to you’ or ‘May you enjoy your festival,’ and so on. If the one who says this has been saved from Kufr, it is still forbidden. It is like congratulating someone for prostrating to the cross, or even worse than that. It is as great a sin as congratulating someone for drinking wine, or murdering someone, or having illicit sexual relations, and so on. Many of those who have no respect for their religion fall into this error; they do not realize the offensiveness of their actions. Whoever congratulates a person for his disobedience or bid’ah or Kufr exposes himself to the wrath and anger of Allaah'.
Congratulating the Kuffaar on their religious festivals is Haraam to the extent described by Ibn al-Qayyim because it implies that one accepts or approves of their rituals of Kufr, even if one would not accept those things for oneself. But the Muslim should not accept the rituals of Kufr or congratulate anyone else for them, because Allaah does not accept any of that at all, as He says which means: "If you disbelieve, then verily, Allaah is not in need of you, He likes not disbelief for His slaves. And if you are grateful (by being believers), He is pleased therewith for you" (Az-Zumar: 7(.
He also said which means," This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islaam as your religion" (Al-Maa’idah: 3)
So congratulating them is forbidden, whether they are one’s colleagues at work or otherwise.
If they greet us on their festivals, we should not respond, because these are not our festivals, and because they are not festivals which are acceptable to Allaah. These festivals are innovations in their religions, and even those, which may have been prescribed formerly, have been abrogated by the religion of Islaam, with which Allaah sent Muhammad sallallaahu 'alaihi wasallam to the whole of mankind. Allaah says which means: "Whoever seeks a religion other than Islaam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers" (Aal ‘Imraan: 85).
It is Haraam for a Muslim to accept invitations to such occasions, because this is worse than congratulating them, as it implies taking part in their celebrations.
Similarly, Muslims are forbidden to imitate the Kuffaar by having parties on such occasions, or exchanging gifts, or giving out sweets or food, or taking time off work, etc., because the Prophet sallallaahu 'alaihi wasallam said: "Whoever imitates a people is one of them." Shaykh al-Islaam Ibn Taymiyah said, 'Imitating them in some of their festivals implies that one is pleased with their false beliefs and practices, and gives them the hope that they may have the opportunity to humiliate and mislead the weak.'
Whoever does anything of this sort is a sinner, whether he does it out of politeness or friendliness, or because he is too shy to refuse, or for whatever other reason, because this is hypocrisy in Islaam, and because it makes the Kuffaar feel proud of their religion.
Allahuu aclaam:
Imaam Abul-'Hasan al-Aamidi said: the one who is known as Ibn al-Baghdaadi said in his book ‘Umdat al-Haadir wa Kifaayat al-Musaafir: 'It is not permitted to attend the festivals of the Christians and Jews. Ahmad stated this in the report of Muhannaa, and his evidence for that is the verse (which means): ‘And those who do not witness falsehood (Az-Zoor)…’ (Al-Furqaan: 72). He said: (This is) al-Sha’aaneen and their festivals. He said: The Muslims are to be prevented from entering upon them in their synagogues and churches.'
Greeting the Kuffaar on Christmas and other religious holidays of theirs is Haraam, by consensus. Ibn al-Qayyim, may Allaah have mercy on him, said in Ahkaam Ahl ath-Thimmah: 'Congratulating the Kuffaar on the rituals that belong only to them is Haraam by consensus, as is congratulating them on their festivals and fasts by saying ‘A happy festival to you’ or ‘May you enjoy your festival,’ and so on. If the one who says this has been saved from Kufr, it is still forbidden. It is like congratulating someone for prostrating to the cross, or even worse than that. It is as great a sin as congratulating someone for drinking wine, or murdering someone, or having illicit sexual relations, and so on. Many of those who have no respect for their religion fall into this error; they do not realize the offensiveness of their actions. Whoever congratulates a person for his disobedience or bid’ah or Kufr exposes himself to the wrath and anger of Allaah'.
Congratulating the Kuffaar on their religious festivals is Haraam to the extent described by Ibn al-Qayyim because it implies that one accepts or approves of their rituals of Kufr, even if one would not accept those things for oneself. But the Muslim should not accept the rituals of Kufr or congratulate anyone else for them, because Allaah does not accept any of that at all, as He says which means: "If you disbelieve, then verily, Allaah is not in need of you, He likes not disbelief for His slaves. And if you are grateful (by being believers), He is pleased therewith for you" (Az-Zumar: 7(.
He also said which means," This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islaam as your religion" (Al-Maa’idah: 3)
So congratulating them is forbidden, whether they are one’s colleagues at work or otherwise.
If they greet us on their festivals, we should not respond, because these are not our festivals, and because they are not festivals which are acceptable to Allaah. These festivals are innovations in their religions, and even those, which may have been prescribed formerly, have been abrogated by the religion of Islaam, with which Allaah sent Muhammad sallallaahu 'alaihi wasallam to the whole of mankind. Allaah says which means: "Whoever seeks a religion other than Islaam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers" (Aal ‘Imraan: 85).
It is Haraam for a Muslim to accept invitations to such occasions, because this is worse than congratulating them, as it implies taking part in their celebrations.
Similarly, Muslims are forbidden to imitate the Kuffaar by having parties on such occasions, or exchanging gifts, or giving out sweets or food, or taking time off work, etc., because the Prophet sallallaahu 'alaihi wasallam said: "Whoever imitates a people is one of them." Shaykh al-Islaam Ibn Taymiyah said, 'Imitating them in some of their festivals implies that one is pleased with their false beliefs and practices, and gives them the hope that they may have the opportunity to humiliate and mislead the weak.'
Whoever does anything of this sort is a sinner, whether he does it out of politeness or friendliness, or because he is too shy to refuse, or for whatever other reason, because this is hypocrisy in Islaam, and because it makes the Kuffaar feel proud of their religion.
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Walahi i dunno why u are making big deal out of absolutely nothing. I have been living in America for the past 10 years and i haven't any problem with this...Most of my co-workers know i'm Muslim (unless u tried to fit in from day one and pretended u werne't a muslim) and they respect me and ask me if i celebrate..When i say, they don't bother wishing a happy christmas. It's the customers that always say it and i always reply "same to you" or "happy holidays"...People "Inamal Acmaal biniyaat"..Allah (swt) cares more about your intentions than few words..
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