Al-Itihad, Itihad and Itihad !!

salafi_student · Post by **salafi_student** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 6:34 am

IÃ¢Â€Â™m obliged to have healthy debate on the issue of Manhaj, if anyone has nothing better to say please keep your hands to your self and say no more.

Al-Itihad claim to restore Islamic state in Somalia by taking up arms and waging war against the Muslims Ã¢Â€Â“ is this the way? Or are they just a bunch of blood thirsty gangsters?

The topic is intended to enlighten the masses and warn against the deviations of that group, who prey on unsuspected youths to inject their deviant ideology.

If you the reader; would like to comment on this subject please bring proof to back your evidence from a reliable source, excluding what you may heard from the lying machine of the CNN nor the deceitful apparatus of the Fox news.

The_Don_of_djibouti · Post by **The_Don_of_djibouti** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 7:15 am

Anyone that implement sharia in somalia i am with them may allah be my witness even if it is the shia..

Allah akbaar!!!!!!!!!!!!

salafi_student · Post by **salafi_student** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 8:45 am

Sharia is must for every Muslim to follow, who ever is able and comes short of doing so then he is a sinner and No one rejects it with full knowledge except the unbelievers

My question is simple but seems difficult for those who justify killing the believers for the cause of their desire to govern.

Allah (SWT) ordered us to verify before we fight and Said :

Ã¢Â€ÂœO you who believe! When you go (to fight) in the Cause of AllÃƒÂ¢h, verify (the truth), and say not to anyone who greets you (by embracing IslÃƒÂ¢m): "You are not a believer"; seeking the perishable goods of the worldly life. There are much more profits and booties with AllÃƒÂ¢h. Even as he is now, so were you yourselves before till AllÃƒÂ¢h conferred on you His Favours (i.e. guided you to IslÃƒÂ¢m), therefore, be cautious in discrimination. AllÃƒÂ¢h is Ever WellAware of what you do.Ã¢Â€Â (Surah An-nisa)

The Arabman · Post by **The Arabman** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 8:58 am

"Al-Itihad are they from the Khawarij ?"

"Kharijites" or "Khawarij"* ("The Exitors"), is a general term embracing a variety of Islamic sects which reject the caliphate of Ali as invalid. They first emerged in the late 7th century AD, concentrated in today's southern Iraq, and are distinct from the Sunni and Shiites. The only surviving Kharijite sect is Ibadism, concentrated principally in Oman.

No one has ever claimed there are Khawarij to be found in Somalia, and Somalia's Al-Ittihad has never been associated with them. If anything, the Khawarij are extinct Muslims. Obviously, the poster of this topic has no clue of what he/she is talking about. Therefore, this is an irrelevant topic/poll.

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharijite

Mowhawk · Post by **Mowhawk** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:03 am

So, who is a "true Muslim" according to the salafi manhaj? Tell us.

The rebel · Post by **The rebel** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:20 am

I second to Mowhawk. I failled to understand who benifits making 95% of Muslim out side the Islam Confused

Shiits are Kafirs, Ikwan are kafirs, Sufi are kafirs,Itihad, Islah..list goes on!

LionHeart-112 · Post by **LionHeart-112** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 12:40 pm

the rebel..i think u went a little bit too far. The itihads don't have a special ideology they follow like the shias..they are just a group or an organizations..

besides, you can't call any1 who believesi n the Shahada a kaafir. Kufr is to reject Allah (swt) and Muhammad (scw) as his messenger.

salafi_student · Post by **salafi_student** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 12:50 pm

Quote : Arabman:" No one has ever claimed there are khwarij to be found in Somalia? "

I would be very interested to see your definition of Khawirij, or what you meant is, there was no Al-itihad to be found in the time of caliphate. If so then retreat your statement and say youÃ¢Â€Â™re sorry!

Narrated Anas bin Malik: That The Prophet (SAW) said, "The biggest of Al-Kaba'ir (the great sins) are (1) to join others as partners in worship with Allah, (2) to murder a human being, (3) to be undutiful to one's parents (4) and to make a false statement," or said, "to give a false witness."

My Question is still outstanding, for now I rest my case Walahu AÃ¢Â€Â™alam

salafi_student · Post by **salafi_student** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 12:52 pm

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The rebel · Post by **The rebel** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 5:06 pm

Lion, read what I wrote. That was question not statement Razz

Wise-Man · Post by **Wise-Man** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 5:18 pm

[quote] The Arabman
Obviously, the poster of this topic has no clue of what he/she is talking about. Therefore, this is an irrelevant topic/poll. [/quote]

I second to that.

salafi_student · Post by **salafi_student** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 7:45 pm

For the benefit of those who apparently having difficulties to understand the purpose of this topic, I will simplify my position on Al-itihad.

The reason behind the post as I mentioned b4 is to highlight the mistakes of Al-Itihad group in order to safe guard the Ummah from tribulations; as its mentioned in the Hadith Narrated by Anas (RA).

Where Allah's Apostle (SAW) said, "Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one. People asked, "O Allah's Apostle! It is all right to help him if he is oppressed, but how should we help him if he is an oppressor?" The Prophet said, "By preventing him from oppressing others."(Sahiih Bukhari).

Amazingly some brothers jump to conclusion and said I declared Al-itihad to be from the Khawarij, Subhanalah how can I say what I have no rights to say? We only mention their mistake and if they have similarities of the Khawarij then we say that too. (Insha Allah)

I hope is crystal clear!

Wise-Man · Post by **Wise-Man** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 7:57 pm

[quote] Salafi-Student aka Akhiri-Student

"Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one. People asked, "O Allah's Apostle! It is all right to help him if he is oppressed, but how should we help him if he is an oppressor?" The Prophet said, "By preventing him from oppressing others."(Sahiih Bukhari). [/quote]

Practice What You Preach.

salafi_student · Post by **salafi_student** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 8:06 pm

Wise-man??? eeight I've lost you there for a sec!

Wise-man be wise, would you want me to write in somali to help you understand?

Wise-Man · Post by **Wise-Man** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 8:18 pm

Not really, thank you. I will pass that. Anyway, have fun and enjoy with your stay sahib. The only reason I did not like your topic is the title you chose for your thread. It totally turned me off.